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The banter between you two has been my Bigfooty highlight of the year. The funniest thing is that the second 'is' is redundant in modern English.
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The banter between you two has been my Bigfooty highlight of the year. The funniest thing is that the second 'is' is redundant in modern English.
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Not so sure about this. SOTY may have a point. The pity is, a poster I respect took umbrage at what he perceived to be a calculated insult, when I'd deliberately left intact his central argument and waffled about ephemera. Therein lay the irony. It went unnoticed.
Sometimes, I don't know why I bother. I must admit though, I'm often a little obtuse.
footyfreak
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Voss is a winner and is better than all of you.
Funniest thing from my point of view is how stupid all of the Neil Craig hating extremists look. They were saying how Craig is dumb for not being more like Brisbane was in the off season with their aggresive trading.
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So with the injuries to Brown and Fev/bradshaw, hendeson wouldnt have got a run?
Are you voss?
i you are that explains everything, If you arnt then you have NFI and should return to supporting the SE Qld Crushers.
Perhaps the two of you could take this topic to the cigar room, have a cuban and brandy, and show each other photos of your trophy wives and talk about how much money each of you make. Because your big noting of each other is not impressing me.
On the actual topic this is exactly what happens with most clubs when they refuse to do a proper rebuild. It happen to us in the 90s when we thought we could hold on to the older blokes and trade away decent draft picks for middle of the road players who would not improve our list. It has happened with essendon because knights refused to get rid of list cloggers like ricky dyson and brought in player like prismall but the way Voss did it takes the cake.
In fairness to Voss most people I spoke to thought he was doing the right thing. The problem is the Brisbane performance the in 08 I thought was better on paper than it actually was and it gave them false hope. While they finished 5they got smashed on several occassions by the really good sides. They seemed to win alot of close games against average sides. As we have seen this year there is a big gap between the bottom 5 of the eight and the top 3.
I always doubted the experiment would work. I just cant see how guys like Raines, Buchanan, staker etc etc who were all average players in average lists were going to make Brisbanes lists significantly better to close a gap that was already pretty wide between them and the top 4 sides. I would argue that none of the players they have recruited have made them a better side. Credit to staker and Mcguire who have been ok but have they improved the side? At best I reckon they have just replaced players who had a similar impact.
Now Brisbane are in a spot of bother because there best players are almost done and they have effectively lost there best mid aged midfielder, there best young key forward and potentially a top liner with there number 11 draft pick, not to mention all the other picks they gave up for the other ordinary players they drafted.
From a supporter of a club who made a massive meal of trading and recuiting a decade ago I strong believe that all clubs need to take their medicine and rebuild correctly like the Dees have in the last couple of years. If you don't you will pay a massive price. This will take a long long time for Brisbane to recover from. Especially now they have missed the boat with the next 2 drafts being compramised.
And no Brisbane supporters I am not cheering for this to happen, I actually have a bit of admiration for what your club did earlier in this decade and despite still feeling the pain of 02 and 03 I do have a bit of manlove for the side that ran out in that era. I rate it a close 2nd to the hawks of the late 80s.
In fairness to Voss most people I spoke to thought he was doing the right thing. The problem is the Brisbane performance the in 08 I thought was better on paper than it actually was and it gave them false hope. While they finished 5they got smashed on several occassions by the really good sides. They seemed to win alot of close games against average sides. As we have seen this year there is a big gap between the bottom 5 of the eight and the top 3.
I always doubted the experiment would work. I just cant see how guys like Raines, Buchanan, staker etc etc who were all average players in average lists were going to make Brisbanes lists significantly better to close a gap that was already pretty wide between them and the top 4 sides. I would argue that none of the players they have recruited have made them a better side. Credit to staker and Mcguire who have been ok but have they improved the side? At best I reckon they have just replaced players who had a similar impact.
Now Brisbane are in a spot of bother because there best players are almost done and they have effectively lost there best mid aged midfielder, there best young key forward and potentially a top liner with there number 11 draft pick, not to mention all the other picks they gave up for the other ordinary players they drafted.
From a supporter of a club who made a massive meal of trading and recuiting a decade ago I strong believe that all clubs need to take their medicine and rebuild correctly like the Dees have in the last couple of years. If you don't you will pay a massive price. This will take a long long time for Brisbane to recover from. Especially now they have missed the boat with the next 2 drafts being compramised.
And no Brisbane supporters I am not cheering for this to happen, I actually have a bit of admiration for what your club did earlier in this decade and despite still feeling the pain of 02 and 03 I do have a bit of manlove for the side that ran out in that era. I rate it a close 2nd to the hawks of the late 80s.
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I must apologise on behalf of the both of us. How dare we exchange banter and then finish with a friendly compliment. It certainly is out of character for big footy. Perhaps you would prefer us to swear and call each other names so that we fit in to your need for a low socio economic stereotype. I do apologise that this is beyond your capabilities.
Just addressing this point of your post....which 2 of the three talls that were delisted...Roe (50 games),Clouston (2 games) and Tyler (0 games)...would have been the equal of Staker and Maguire this year?.
.. and TANK ??? Throw games with 'creative' selection / game day moves ? Interesting.
Friendly banter , is that what you call it? Looks like two tossers trying to show everyone else on here how intelligent they are by showing off and using really really big words. And you have confirmed my thoughts with this very post and your user name. I'm tipping you have a very sterotypical view of anyone who lives west or north of the cbd, and I am just waiting for the collingwood supporter with no teath line. Im tipping you take pride in knocking anyone who might not be in your upper economic stereotype. Or fumbles with there use of the english langauge. Your probably have private school education(which I was too by the way) because mummy and daddy had the luxury of giving you a good education but like many(fortunately not all) who have been well educated cannot quite understand that many who don't have not had the opportunies you have simply because it was not handed to them on a silver platter. The fact that you ever brought low socio economic stereotype into the argument shows you are a first class snob and that you are probably compensating for some other inaquacies in your life.
How close am I?
Now you can go ahead and start pulling apart my grammar and spelling. I know its appalling but I actually went to the cheapest private school in the state which happens to be in one of the lowest socio economic areas in the state so thats my excuse and I'm sticking to it.
Im not convinced Staker or Mcguire long term will make much of a difference than Roe tbh. Not with the list the way it is. Im all for taking the odd recyled player and a staker or a Mcguire or any of the others in isolation or with 1 other at the most without giving to much away to fill a hole if you already have a strong list would be worth a punt but all of them together with what your club has given up is a disaster.
You can have your head in the clouds and defend your club all you want but from where Im looking it looks like a train wreck.
As a one-eyed Brisbane Lions supporter, I was excited at the end of 2009 by our recruiting strategy and the acqusition of experienced players to have a go at the Premiership in 2010-2012, albeit with some trepidation about Fev. It appears in hindsight that my glasses were coloured maroon, blue and gold and as such, like the powers to be at the Lions, seriously overestimated the capabilities of our list.
I agree with the claims here that we are now a train wreck with disgruntled players, coaching staff, board members, and most importantly supporters/members.
This latest issue with Fev is hopefully rock bottom for the Lions because god help us if it is not. If the allegations are substantiated, he should be moved on so the Lions can start again from scratch in the long process of trying to stabilise the club. I feel it is going to be a long and hard road though.
I agree with the claims here that we are now a train wreck with disgruntled players, coaching staff, board members, and most importantly supporters/members.
This latest issue with Fev is hopefully rock bottom for the Lions because god help us if it is not. If the allegations are substantiated, he should be moved on so the Lions can start again from scratch in the long process of trying to stabilise the club. I feel it is going to be a long and hard road though.
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Do you feel better now? You actually raised stereotypes when you discussed brandy, cigars and trophy wifes. I am glad you seem to know so much about me but I unlike you will not discuss my personal life on a public forum. It seems to be you who is hung up on stereotyping and indeed have placed that label upon our own supporter base. Go do some work in a soup kitchen in Smith St or Gertrude street and it might help you overcome your societal bias. A strong sense of social justice would indeed serve you well.
That says it all really for the Lions then. If Staker is the highlight of your season, then your season would have to be a disaster.
Just a (conspiratorial) thought (in case it hasn't already been said): Could Brisbane have orchestrated the Fev Flash in the carpark, in order to get him off their books? She's a Carlton fan, after all?
My head is not in the clouds...just pointing out the nonsense of that part of your post and thus your lack of research into this matter.
So you concede that recruiting Staker and Maguire was OK...what would you have done to replace the delisted Hooper,Harding,KIng and the retired Notting?...Keep in mind the Lions already took 4 young players in the National Draft besides Maguire AND popped 2 young players that they considered for the National draft onto the Rookie List.
For more feedback I recommend you post on the Lions board that the club should have retained Roe instead of getting one of Maguire or Staker.
Oh and "your train wreck" tossed Collingwood this year but I expect you have expunged that nasty experience from your mind long ago.
The end justifies the means .. hmm. Morally bankrupt, if not illegal ( remember there is actual betting on games .. )
Yes but we're walking with JB so chin up. He did level the Pies this year on one leg.
NobleBlood
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3 years is a fair bit, and I'll take your word that he was asking for that as I personally don't know. But there are a few factors that give him legitimacy to request 3 years.
- He kicked 75 in 2008 and 58 goals in 2009. In 2009, he kicked at an accuracy at 71%, the competition's highest. In other words, a perfect foil to the peaking Jonathan Brown.
- 31 is not necessarilly old for a forward, especially a full-forward. He'd only just turned 31 when Sydney resigned him, and Barry Hall was offered 2 years at 33, and he's enjoyed his 2nd best career season in 2010.
- He'd been a part of the 3 Premiership sides, and he's the goals record holder for Brisbane. (496)
But at the end of the day, I could care less. Im glad to have him, though I wont be if he gets injured against next year. If he can last til 34 as Barry Hall is looking like he will, I'll be happy.
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