Has the media disrespected Brisbane?

[VinnieB]

Wonder what Barrett has to say for himself now?

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Teams change during the season.
I’m assuming this may have been when they had 3 wins after 11 games.

Same as Hawks going 0-5. Who would have thought they would be playing finals and the most in form teams leading into it?

 

[JHF1870]

Crisp isn’t a good example. He was nothing at the time and was part of the trade for getting in Beams.

But yes, Fagan has done an excellent job fixing the issues at the club, and creating a great environment. I think the criticism has been with him tactically in the coaches box given the talent he has at his disposal.

I doubt anyone will doubt him now.

Handled it professionally. Imagine had Ken Hinkley won the GF (Was never happening) how Ken would have handled the speaker!

 

[JHF1870]

Teams change during the season.
I’m assuming this may have been when they had 3 wins after 11 games.

Same as Hawks going 0-5. Who would have thought they would be playing finals and the most in form teams leading into it?

This is why those If you start the season 0-2...... threads are trash.
A lot changes throughout the season. I'm of the opinion that you dont' want to show all your cards by June and be the hunted. It's a horrible place to be.

 

[Tall poppy Syndrome]

Has the media disrespected or underrated Brisbane or both? Is there even a difference between ‘disrespecting’ and ‘underrating’?

I underrated the Lions this year for sure - due to their poor start, the fact that my team beat them quite comfortably in the home and away (I think this can disproportionately influence any fan’s perception of another team), that they didn’t finish top 4, and that they were on the other side of the finals draw from Hawthorn. So, for me, the Lions were a bit out of sight out of mind. I did think they were gonna beat the Cats for some reason, of course they were always beating Carlton, but I couldn’t see them winning against the Sydney teams.

Whereas last year I had them as sure things to beat the Pies in the GF. All of which shows I’m wrong much more than I’m right.

Now should media experts be better than a hack fan like me on this stuff. Yes probably. But then again, they’re required to put their views and tips out there constantly. And trust me there’s been plenty of years where the most knowledgeable footy people have finished well down the order in the footy tipping competition - it happens.

At the end of the day if you’re the Lions who cares anyway, they’re the premiers and re the likes of Damian Barrett they can say in the immortal words of Teddy Whitten, ‘We stuck it right up em!’

Makes it all the sweeter.

 

[STPer18]

David King 2011 is an all-timer. When he starts jumping on your team's bandwagon you know it's time to start panicking.

 

[brutus76]

They were LAST in 2017 in Fages first season
They are FIRST in 2024 in his 8th season

AMAZING JOB - great coach who believes in his players, traded and drafted well, awesome culture. Was Clarko's right hand man at Hawthorn. Danny Daly, Cam Bruce, Greg Swann and bringing in Cotch and Dew has taken them to the next level

Naysayers get stuffed

David King is still salty AF his best game where he kicked 7 goals was in a 125 point flogging cos no one remembers his performance

 

[JHF1870]

David King 2011 is an all-timer. When he starts jumping on your team's bandwagon you know it's time to start panicking.

I really hate this guy

 

[kirbatron]

Underdogs most of the year. Written off and disrespected game after game.

Then we have ridiculous articles like this.

Chris Fagan would quietly be thinking F. You to David King right now

“I’m guaranteeing that”: Why King doesn’t think Fagan is maximising Brisbane’s list

“If Chris Scott was coaching the talent levels of the Brisbane Lions, they wouldn't be fifth.”

www.sen.com.au

no

 

[Freomaniac]

Media were harsh against Fagan due to age and because he didn't play AFL footy.

Absolutely certain.

Well thats funny. Fagan is 63 years old and for his 1st flag.

Ross Lyon is 57 years old and some big footy posters said he is too old to win a flag

 

[Osho]

When one's eyes are too close together, it must really pinch one's brain!

 

[Dom PC]

I like Kingy usually - don't always agree with him but at least he tries to justify his options with some sort of coherent explanation.

I do hope he takes his own advice from this year when we get into the 2025 season though. He liked saying "Don't get beaten by what you know" this year. Well Kingy, you now know Fagan is a premiership coach... so hopefully you can speak about Fagan in a more optimistic and respectful way next year.

 

[WillHayward]

Well thats funny. Fagan is 63 years old and for his 1st flag.

Ross Lyon is 57 years old and some big footy posters said he is too old to win a flag

Never heard anyone say at that about Lyon.
Most people just think his defensive low scoring game plan is too old. Not the man himself.

 

[JHF1870]

I like Kingy usually - don't always agree with him but at least he tries to justify his options with some sort of coherent explanation.

I do hope he takes his own advice from this year when we get into the 2025 season though. He liked saying "Don't get beaten by what you know" this year. Well Kingy, you now know Fagan is a premiership coach... so hopefully you can speak about Fagan in a more optimistic and respectful way next year.

I just listened to him and Cornes talking on Sen, if you could call it that and he wouldn't let Kane talk. I'd hate to have to work with him tbh. He loves running campaigns on coaches and players.

You just know next year there's going to be a side that bolts and he's going to pump them up. "I just can't see anyone beating them right now. They aren't getting beaten", and Throw teams under the bus with all sorts of dramatic commentary.

I think he was the worst in the media in 2024.

 

[Pacman82]

Tipped Lions
Whatley, Jon Ralph, Sara Jones, Robo, Kath Loughnan, Billy Brownless

Tipped Swans
Kingy, Gazey, Jay Clarke, Heath Shaw

23

Heath Shaw

Age

39

Ht

183cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

21.0

5star

K

15.8

5star

HB

5.2

4star

M

6.3

5star

T

2.4

4star

MG

472.4

5star

D

14.5

3star

K

11.0

4star

HB

3.5

2star

M

5.0

5star

T

1.6

3star

MG

244.0

4star

D

13.4

4star

K

9.6

4star

HB

3.8

3star

M

5.8

5star

T

1.4

4star

(said they'd win by 5 goals), more to come..

 

[WillHayward]

Underdogs most of the year. Written off and disrespected game after game.

Then we have ridiculous articles like this.

Chris Fagan would quietly be thinking F. You to David King right now

“I’m guaranteeing that”: Why King doesn’t think Fagan is maximising Brisbane’s list

“If Chris Scott was coaching the talent levels of the Brisbane Lions, they wouldn't be fifth.”

www.sen.com.au

Fagan completely out coached Scott and Longmire.

 

[JHF1870]

Tipped Lions
Whatley, Jon Ralph, Sara Jones, Robo, Kath Loughnan, Billy Brownless

Tipped Swans
Kingy, Gazey, Jay Clarke, Heath Shaw (said they'd win by 5 goals), more to come..

JHF1870 tipped the Lions by 28 points, Zac Bailey for the Norm Smith (Was a big call)

 

[JHF1870]

Fagan completely out coached Scott and Longmire.

And Chris Scott (A Real Competitive Beast) according to King

 

[JHF1870]

Brian Taylor

Winner: Brisbane Lions

Margin: 15 points

Norm Smith: Lachie Neale 9 Lachie Neale Age 31 Ht 178cm Wt 84kg Pos. Mid Career Season Last 5 D 27.0 5star K 11.5 4star HB 15.5 5star M 4.0 4star T 3.7 5star CL 5.9 5star D 28.3 5star K 13.9 5star HB 14.4 5star M 4.6 4star T 4.0 5star CL 5.9 5star D 12.0 3star K 4.6 2star HB 7.4 5star M 2.0 3star T 1.0 3star CL 0.4 3star

First goal: Tom Papley 11 Tom Papley Age 28 Ht 177cm Wt 77kg Pos. Fwd Career Season Last 5 D 14.1 4star K 9.1 4star HB 5.0 4star M 3.7 4star T 3.2 5star G 1.5 5star D 12.3 3star K 8.9 4star HB 3.4 2star M 4.5 4star T 1.5 2star G 2.4 5star D 13.4 4star K 8.0 3star HB 5.4 4star M 3.4 4star T 3.4 5star G 1.6 5star

Best final: Geelong v Brisbane Lions

Channel 7 commentators have made their premiership predictions. Credit: Supplied

Abbey Holmes

Winner: Brisbane Lions

Margin: 1 point

Norm Smith: Lachie Neale 9 Lachie Neale Age 31 Ht 178cm Wt 84kg Pos. Mid Career Season Last 5 D 27.0 5star K 11.5 4star HB 15.5 5star M 4.0 4star T 3.7 5star CL 5.9 5star D 28.3 5star K 13.9 5star HB 14.4 5star M 4.6 4star T 4.0 5star CL 5.9 5star D 12.0 3star K 4.6 2star HB 7.4 5star M 2.0 3star T 1.0 3star CL 0.4 3star

First goal: Charlie Cameron 23 Charlie Cameron Age 30 Ht 180cm Wt 76kg Pos. Fwd Career Season Last 5 D 12.1 3star K 8.4 3star HB 3.7 3star M 3.0 3star T 3.2 5star G 1.5 5star D 9.6 2star K 7.9 3star HB 1.7 1star M 3.6 4star T 1.7 3star G 1.9 5star D 9.6 3star K 5.4 2star HB 4.2 4star M 1.4 2star T 3.4 5star G 1.2 4star

Best final: Geelong v Brisbane Lions

Luke Hodge

Winner: Sydney Swans

Margin: 18 points

Norm Smith: Chad Warner 1 Chad Warner Age 23 Ht 185cm Wt 82kg Pos. Mid Career Season Last 5 D 7.0 2star K 4.5 2star HB 2.5 2star M 1.5 2star T 1.5 3star CL 0.0 1star D 7.0 1star K 4.5 2star HB 2.5 2star M 1.5 2star T 1.5 2star CL 0.0 1star D 7.0 2star K 4.5 2star HB 2.5 3star M 1.5 2star T 1.5 4star CL 0.0 1star

First goal: Tom Papley 11 Tom Papley Age 28 Ht 177cm Wt 77kg Pos. Fwd Career Season Last 5 D 14.1 4star K 9.1 4star HB 5.0 4star M 3.7 4star T 3.2 5star G 1.5 5star D 12.3 3star K 8.9 4star HB 3.4 2star M 4.5 4star T 1.5 2star G 2.4 5star D 13.4 4star K 8.0 3star HB 5.4 4star M 3.4 4star T 3.4 5star G 1.6 5star

Best final: Geelong v Brisbane Lions

Kate McCarthy

Winner: Brisbane Lions

Margin: 13 points

Norm Smith: Cam Rayner

First goal: Zac Bailey 33 Zac Bailey Age 25 Ht 182cm Wt 84kg Pos. M/F Career Season Last 5 D 12.7 3star K 6.9 3star HB 5.9 4star M 3.0 3star T 2.2 4star CL 0.9 3star D 12.9 3star K 7.3 3star HB 5.6 3star M 3.9 4star T 2.4 3star CL 0.7 3star D 13.4 4star K 6.6 3star HB 6.8 5star M 3.2 4star T 2.8 5star CL 0.6 3star

Best final: GWS Giants v Brisbane Lions

Joel Selwood

Winner: Sydney Swans

Margin: 31 points

Norm Smith: Errol Gulden

First goal: Cam Rayner

Best final: Sydney Swans v GWS Giants

Jude Bolton

Winner: Sydney Swans

Margin: 27 points

Norm Smith: Chad Warner 1 Chad Warner Age 23 Ht 185cm Wt 82kg Pos. Mid Career Season Last 5 D 7.0 2star K 4.5 2star HB 2.5 2star M 1.5 2star T 1.5 3star CL 0.0 1star D 7.0 1star K 4.5 2star HB 2.5 2star M 1.5 2star T 1.5 2star CL 0.0 1star D 7.0 2star K 4.5 2star HB 2.5 3star M 1.5 2star T 1.5 4star CL 0.0 1star

First goal: Joe Daniher

Dale Thomas

Winner: Sydney Swans

Margin: 23 points

Norm Smith: Chad Warner 1 Chad Warner Age 23 Ht 185cm Wt 82kg Pos. Mid Career Season Last 5 D 7.0 2star K 4.5 2star HB 2.5 2star M 1.5 2star T 1.5 3star CL 0.0 1star D 7.0 1star K 4.5 2star HB 2.5 2star M 1.5 2star T 1.5 2star CL 0.0 1star D 7.0 2star K 4.5 2star HB 2.5 3star M 1.5 2star T 1.5 4star CL 0.0 1star

First goal: Kai Lohmann

Best final: Geelong v Brisbane Lions

Hamish McLachlan

Winner: Sydney Swans

Margin: 7 points

Norm Smith: Chad Warner 1 Chad Warner Age 23 Ht 185cm Wt 82kg Pos. Mid Career Season Last 5 D 7.0 2star K 4.5 2star HB 2.5 2star M 1.5 2star T 1.5 3star CL 0.0 1star D 7.0 1star K 4.5 2star HB 2.5 2star M 1.5 2star T 1.5 2star CL 0.0 1star D 7.0 2star K 4.5 2star HB 2.5 3star M 1.5 2star T 1.5 4star CL 0.0 1star

First goal: Chad Warner 1 Chad Warner Age 23 Ht 185cm Wt 82kg Pos. Mid Career Season Last 5 D 7.0 2star K 4.5 2star HB 2.5 2star M 1.5 2star T 1.5 3star CL 0.0 1star D 7.0 1star K 4.5 2star HB 2.5 2star M 1.5 2star T 1.5 2star CL 0.0 1star D 7.0 2star K 4.5 2star HB 2.5 3star M 1.5 2star T 1.5 4star CL 0.0 1star

Best final: Geelong v Brisbane Lions

Matthew Richardson

Winner: Brisbane Lions

Margin: 10 points

Norm Smith: Joe Daniher

First goal: Tom Papley 11 Tom Papley Age 28 Ht 177cm Wt 77kg Pos. Fwd Career Season Last 5 D 14.1 4star K 9.1 4star HB 5.0 4star M 3.7 4star T 3.2 5star G 1.5 5star D 12.3 3star K 8.9 4star HB 3.4 2star M 4.5 4star T 1.5 2star G 2.4 5star D 13.4 4star K 8.0 3star HB 5.4 4star M 3.4 4star T 3.4 5star G 1.6 5star

Best final: Geelong v Brisbane Lions

Luke Darcy

Winner: Brisbane Lions

Margin: 4 points

Norm Smith: Hugh McCluggage 6 Hugh Mccluggage Age 26 Ht 185cm Wt 84kg Pos. Mid Career Season Last 5 D 19.3 5star K 11.4 4star HB 7.9 5star M 4.0 4star T 3.0 5star CL 2.2 4star D 19.0 4star K 12.0 5star HB 7.0 4star M 3.6 4star T 2.9 4star CL 2.0 4star D 13.2 4star K 7.8 3star HB 5.4 4star M 4.2 4star T 1.8 4star CL 0.6 3star

First goal: Tom Papley 11 Tom Papley Age 28 Ht 177cm Wt 77kg Pos. Fwd Career Season Last 5 D 14.1 4star K 9.1 4star HB 5.0 4star M 3.7 4star T 3.2 5star G 1.5 5star D 12.3 3star K 8.9 4star HB 3.4 2star M 4.5 4star T 1.5 2star G 2.4 5star D 13.4 4star K 8.0 3star HB 5.4 4star M 3.4 4star T 3.4 5star G 1.6 5star

Best final: GWS Giants v Brisbane Lions

Mitch Cleary

Winner: Sydney

Margin: 8 points

Norm Smith: Justin McInerney 27 Justin Mcinerney Age 24 Ht 189cm Wt 83kg Pos. M/F Career Season Last 5 D 10.2 3star K 4.4 2star HB 5.8 4star M 1.8 2star T 2.0 4star CL 0.6 3star D 12.5 3star K 5.3 2star HB 7.3 4star M 2.3 2star T 2.0 3star CL 0.5 3star D 10.2 3star K 4.4 2star HB 5.8 4star M 1.8 2star T 2.0 4star CL 0.6 3star

First goal: Cal Ah Chee

Ryan Daniels

Winner: Sydney

Margin: 4 points

Norm Smith: Errol Gulden

First goal: Hayden McLean 2 Hayden Mclean Age 25 Ht 197cm Wt 99kg Pos. F/R Career Season Last 5 D 9.1 2star K 5.1 2star HB 4.0 3star M 2.6 3star T 4.0 5star G 0.4 3star D 7.5 2star K 4.5 2star HB 3.0 2star M 2.3 2star T 3.3 4star G 0.8 4star D 10.0 3star K 5.4 2star HB 4.6 4star M 3.0 3star T 4.4 5star G 0.2 3star

Kate Massey

Winner: Sydney

Margin: 1 point (after extra time)

Norm Smith: Brodie Grundy 4 Brodie Grundy Age 30 Ht 202cm Wt 105kg Pos. Ruck Career Season Last 5 D 17.5 4star K 8.0 3star HB 9.6 5star CL 4.1 5star HO 32.0 5star D 16.4 4star K 6.8 3star HB 9.6 5star CL 4.0 5star HO 34.6 5star D 13.8 4star K 5.2 2star HB 8.6 5star CL 2.6 5star HO 20.6 5star

First goal: Tom Papley 11 Tom Papley Age 28 Ht 177cm Wt 77kg Pos. Fwd Career Season Last 5 D 14.1 4star K 9.1 4star HB 5.0 4star M 3.7 4star T 3.2 5star G 1.5 5star D 12.3 3star K 8.9 4star HB 3.4 2star M 4.5 4star T 1.5 2star G 2.4 5star D 13.4 4star K 8.0 3star HB 5.4 4star M 3.4 4star T 3.4 5star G 1.6 5star

Laura Spurway

Winner: Sydney

Margin: Eight points

Norm Smith: Tom Papley 11 Tom Papley Age 28 Ht 177cm Wt 77kg Pos. Fwd Career Season Last 5 D 14.1 4star K 9.1 4star HB 5.0 4star M 3.7 4star T 3.2 5star G 1.5 5star D 12.3 3star K 8.9 4star HB 3.4 2star M 4.5 4star T 1.5 2star G 2.4 5star D 13.4 4star K 8.0 3star HB 5.4 4star M 3.4 4star T 3.4 5star G 1.6 5star

First goal: Charlie Cameron 23 Charlie Cameron Age 30 Ht 180cm Wt 76kg Pos. Fwd Career Season Last 5 D 12.1 3star K 8.4 3star HB 3.7 3star M 3.0 3star T 3.2 5star G 1.5 5star D 9.6 2star K 7.9 3star HB 1.7 1star M 3.6 4star T 1.7 3star G 1.9 5star D 9.6 3star K 5.4 2star HB 4.2 4star M 1.4 2star T 3.4 5star G 1.2 4star

Theo Doropoulos

Winner: Brisbane

Margin: 20

Norm Smith: Joe Daniher

First goal: Charlie Cameron 23 Charlie Cameron Age 30 Ht 180cm Wt 76kg Pos. Fwd Career Season Last 5 D 12.1 3star K 8.4 3star HB 3.7 3star M 3.0 3star T 3.2 5star G 1.5 5star D 9.6 2star K 7.9 3star HB 1.7 1star M 3.6 4star T 1.7 3star G 1.9 5star D 9.6 3star K 5.4 2star HB 4.2 4star M 1.4 2star T 3.4 5star G 1.2 4star

 

[Pacman82]

Kane Cornes & Nathan Brown

22

Nathan Brown

Age

36

Ht

196cm

Wt

99kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

8.8

2star

K

3.9

2star

HB

4.9

4star

M

2.7

3star

T

1.8

4star

No current season stats available

D

6.4

2star

K

3.2

2star

HB

3.2

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.8

5star

, suprisingly both Sydney.

 

[EagleMan87]

I just listened to him and Cornes talking on Sen, if you could call it that and he wouldn't let Kane talk.

So he does some good, then.

 

[JHF1870]

So he does some good, then.

I'd rather sit on a plane with Kane Cornes from Adelaide to London than to sit on a plane with David King from Adelaide to Melbourne.

 

[Freomaniac]

Never heard anyone say at that about Lyon.
Most people just think his defensive low scoring game plan is too old. Not the man himself.

Well I did. Some bigfooty nuffies said Ross Lyon is too old to win a flag.

Ross Lyon made the saints competitive

 

[Freomaniac]

They were LAST in 2017 in Fages first season
They are FIRST in 2024 in his 8th season

AMAZING JOB - great coach who believes in his players, traded and drafted well, awesome culture. Was Clarko's right hand man at Hawthorn. Danny Daly, Cam Bruce, Greg Swann and bringing in Cotch and Dew has taken them to the next level

Naysayers get stuffed

David King is still salty AF his best game where he kicked 7 goals was in a 125 point flogging cos no one remembers his performance

It was a long road

 

[Mitchell Madness]

Kingy is not as astute as many think he is, he's been wrong on plenty, hates criticism of himself which he deflects very quickly, usually through attack and has blind spots for clubs not from Victoria as he spends all of season watching vic clubs only.

He's a poor commentator but can have good half time and post game analysis.

His "Sydney by 63" in 2014 was peak King.
Has spent the last 10 years saying "I said by 6-8 goals..." no you didn't mate, the graphic literally said 63 points...

 

[janty]

Kingy is not as astute as many think he is, he's been wrong on plenty, hates criticism of himself which he deflects very quickly, usually through attack and has blind spots for clubs not from Victoria as he spends all of season watching vic clubs only.

He's a poor commentator but can have good half time and post game analysis.

Lives and dies on Champion Data stats. Then when they failed at North Kingy said that “Luffy is still a star”.

Lions beat GWS and he said that Kingsley out coached Fagan.