Brisbane Will Finish At Least 2 Games Clear Of Collingwood In 2008!!!
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Any chance of this sentence being translated into non-collingwood English
You should know what it means, afterall you got banned for using it.
Anyone bagging Merrett has no idea about football. He looks ungamely, sure, but his job is to stop the full fwds kicking goals and his closing speed and punching is in the elite in the AFL. He had the 4th least goals kicked on him in 2007 out of the all the full backs. He's no Darren Glass or Matty Scarlett but he is comfortably in the top half a dozen full backs in the comp and will only get better.
PS: He is no Johnny Gastev, Mark Zanotti or Paul Peos either. No relevance there just wanted to name those players....
PS: He is no Johnny Gastev, Mark Zanotti or Paul Peos either. No relevance there just wanted to name those players....
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What about Danny Dickfos?
No doubt experience is important but these players couldn't get you into the finals this year and only 1 of our guys listed finished in the top 6 of our B&F.
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Yep, that's my call......bookmark me and either commend or bag me after Rd.22
The main reasons for my opinion is that I see their spine as one of the weakest of the top performed sides. For me, a spine that includes Rocca, O'Bree, Wakelin and Fraser just doesn't cut it. A prime example was the Geelong Prelim. where a decent ruckman and an even 4 quarter CHF effort of say 10 kicks, 3 goals would have seen a Pies premiership in 2007.
Travis Cloke is a top young footballer, but would be a lot better if Rocca was not in the team. Rocca has only once delivered on the big stage (2002 GF)...but then, surprise surprise his body failed him in crunch time at the end of the gameI may be harsh, but not as harsh as Pies supporters are going to be if they miss out on silverware b/c of this overated dinosaur.
I'd be playing Cloke at CHF and Rusling at FF with Davis, Thomas and Medhurst crumming and Didak as the freak that every forward line needs
Both teams have young emerging lists with players developing much quicker than expected, with almost half their lists being U/21. The reason I think the Lions will overtake the Pies this year is the more experienced players at Brisbane are a lot better (particularly in the KP) than at Collingwood. Even though they didn't play much last year, losing Buckley and Clement will hurt the Pies, and in the 2 areas most big games are decided nowdays.
Take a look at say the TOP 6 experienced players at each club:
Black v O'Bree
Brown v Rocca
Charman v Fraser
Power v Burns
Lappin v Lockyer
Notting v Maxwell
Apart from Maxwell, the other players compared are well in Brisbanes' favour.
I think that the Pies will definately play finals this season, as they should with 18 games in Melbourne, it's just that I think that until the "old breed" are replaced (Rocca, O'Bree, Fraser, Burns)....the Pies will not win the ultimate prize. These players have tried and failed in their quest for a premiership, there's no point slowing down the development of a team just so that these players get a game.
As for the Lions, anything can happen with Matthews steering the ship and Brown tearing teams apart week in week out.....I think the younger brigade (Adcock, Merrett, Drummond, Hooper) will decide where the Lions end up this season.
Final word;
Lions 14-8
Pies 12-10
Your honest thoughts would be much appreciated
You want honest thoughts, so here they come:
It doesn't cut it. Doesn't cut it, does it? Well does a defence held together by the glue that is DANIEL MERRETT and JOEL PATFULL cut it? Certainly not. Re Merrett, I have never seen a bigger spud in my football watching life. Barking up the wrong tree.
A decent ruckman? OUR N.O 1 RUCKMAN WAS ABSENT DUE TO INJURY! And Rocca? He takes the best defender the opposition have. Scarlett and Glass are the best going around, and he was well held, true. But you wait until we have Rocca, Cloke, Rusling, Reid, Dawes and Fraser up there. Cover that.
And you know, it's not just 10 kicks and 3 goals that would have done it - another 30 seconds would have.
And before I forget, Rocca played the last two finals with a groin/ankle injury. Fair effort, that.
Travis Cloke is a top young footballer, but would be a lot better if Rocca was not in the team. Rocca has only once delivered on the big stage (2002 GF)...but then, surprise surprise his body failed him in crunch time at the end of the game
A lot better without Pebbles? So you'd want to take away the attention and time the opposition put into Rocca, and then heap it on Cloke's 20-year-old back? No way.
And fails in big matches? He was awesome on GF Day 2002, and for the record, kicked six while injured v Sydney in the EF this year.
And you speak of Rocca as an 'overated dinosaur'. What does that make Alistair Lynch? A thuggish overated dinosaur?
True, I'll agree with that, however they are different sorts (Burns/Power, Notting/Maxwell, Lappin/Lockyer), and that top six or so you have is just about all the cream the Lions have. We have Clarke, Cloke, Thomas, Pendlebury (Lappin), Reid, Rusling, Dick, Goldsack, etal, etal all pushing through.
You don't rate Malthouse, the bloke who took an aging team and regenerated it overnight? Or the guy who nearly masterminded victory in the 2002 Grand Final?
Do you have a round-by-round analysis to support these figures? If not...
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Were you Fitzroy or Brisbane pre-1997? Anyone from the former would know about a lack of success.
It's only in reply to a topic...
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It seems a few Collingwood supporters didn't watch any Lions games last year. But we were mostly on pay tv, so that is somewhat understandable.
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I agree i reckon lions are genuinew flag contenders
Best CHF, rover one of the best FFs and young rising backline.
Big bashing ruckman to boot. Along with the best football mind ever in leigh mathews. So yeah... look out.
The magpies have lost much experience and lack a great backline. Expecting the ytoungsters to fall a bit.
Best CHF, rover one of the best FFs and young rising backline.
Big bashing ruckman to boot. Along with the best football mind ever in leigh mathews. So yeah... look out.
The magpies have lost much experience and lack a great backline. Expecting the ytoungsters to fall a bit.
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watched heaps thanks unfortunatly, and you were deplorable through the middle of the season,you nearly got beaten by Richmond FFS.you played shocking football until you had a great win in WA and then thrashed us. you still didnt make the 8 with your best player fit and firing and your awesome midfield so whats your point?
The lions could very well finish 2 games clear of Collingwood. And both teams could be top 4.
Both teams are certainties for the top 8 imo.
I do question the OP's logic though.
As for Rocca.....
Has kicked 50+ goals in the last 2 season, while getting the best defender.
Led the AFL in contested marks.
Did all this with a groin injury that at times made him barely able to move (he has had surgery on him groin in the off season though).
Say what you want about him, but chances are he's torn apart your teams backline before.
Both teams are certainties for the top 8 imo.
I do question the OP's logic though.
As for Rocca.....
Has kicked 50+ goals in the last 2 season, while getting the best defender.
Led the AFL in contested marks.
Did all this with a groin injury that at times made him barely able to move (he has had surgery on him groin in the off season though).
Say what you want about him, but chances are he's torn apart your teams backline before.
Clement/Buckley were both out for over half the season and our young players managed to get us a top 4 finish.
Brisbane had a strange season, started very well, then fell in a whole and looked like rubbish, then had some great wins in the later half of the season.
Very hard to put a line through em, as up til the West Coast game they looked like a bottom 4 team!
The Brions supporter who started the thread clearly has no idea about who Collingwood's main players are. He is all over the shop.
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But the topic was about how many games each team would win, not how much each team paid their respective players.
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By that logic sides that actually lost to Richmond were even more deplorable.
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Hey lets face it, Brisbane pumped us late last season, which lead to us losing to Richmond the week after (just terrible) and that cost us a top four finish, meaning we got the tough run through the finals. Its a massive what-if, but what if?
Anyway, this is a stoopid thread and I'm taking my ball and going home.
Anyway, this is a stoopid thread and I'm taking my ball and going home.
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no just pointing out that some of us do watch other teams and have a good insight on how they are travelling.there is no logic in pointing out team x beat team y so team z must be better,if it was like that the Bulldogs would the the best team in the comp because we cant beat them.
the fact is we never lost more than 2 games in a row and made a dignificant dent in the finals without our ruckman. Brisbane supporters seem to keep forgetting how bad that they did play in the middle of the season and also again the fact,with your best player fit and firing and with a great midfield you still couldnt make the 8.you have johnstone now which makes it even better,with bradshaw back there should be no excuses next season
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I quoted a poster earlier about a particular player - that should tell you my point.
For you and the poster above I am not interested in comparing teams and making predictions like that. Hence he seemed to be on his own.
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