Brisbane's Gabba not to be rebuilt!

[peetoo]

To be fair, an oval sport is the biggest code in Perth and Adelaide, but not in Brisbane. So building a shiny new stadium for oval sports is not the vote winner in Brisbane that it is in those cities.

Not that long ago Gabba crowds were poor

 

[kranger]

Perhaps someone should point out to the Queenslanders that the 5th Cricket Test match each summer should be taken away from them and given to Geelong who have a larger capacity cricket stadium…

 

[Aussie in exile]

Perhaps someone should point out to the Queenslanders that the 5th Cricket Test match each summer should be taken away from them and given to Geelong who have a larger capacity cricket stadium…

Or have the firs test there is any series.

 

[peetoo]

Perhaps someone should point out to the Queenslanders that the 5th Cricket Test match each summer should be taken away from them and given to Geelong who have a larger capacity cricket stadium…

Cos test crowds are getting bigger?

 

[kranger]

Because the Queenslanders seem parochial about hosting the first test cricket match of the year. For many of the NRL fanatics, the thought of them loosing the test altogether may get them to value a new oval stadium for cricket purposes rather than thinking of it as the stadium for the wrong football code.

 

[Aussie in exile]

Because the Queenslanders seem parochial about hosting the first test cricket match of the year. For many of the NRL fanatics, the thought of them loosing the test altogether may get them to value a new oval stadium for cricket purposes rather than thinking of it as the stadium for the wrong football code.

Don't hold your breath on that one.

 

[Teen Wolf]

Perhaps someone should point out to the Queenslanders that the 5th Cricket Test match each summer should be taken away from them and given to Geelong who have a larger capacity cricket stadium…

The SCG wouldn't be among the main Test grounds either, by that criteria (MCG, Accor Stadium, Optus Stadium, Marvel Stadium, and Adelaide Oval are all larger capacity venues capable of hosting international cricket)... So I'm all for it.

 

[peetoo]

Some argument that the non headline tests might now be better at more cosy venues so the diehards who still attend get a better experience

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Because the Queenslanders seem parochial about hosting the first test cricket match of the year.

I can assure you most of them don't care. Especially those who live a long way from Brisbane.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Some argument that the non headline tests might now be better at more cosy venues so the diehards who still attend get a better experience

Didn't they try this 20 years ago by playing Bangladesh in Darwin and Cairns? But they never continued it. Mind you, I've long wondered why domestic first class and one day games continue to be played in capital cities when they'd probably get some local interest if played in country towns.

 

[Walshawk]

Didn't they try this 20 years ago by playing Bangladesh in Darwin and Cairns? But they never continued it. Mind you, I've long wondered why domestic first class and one day games continue to be played in capital cities when they'd probably get some local interest if played in country towns.

Pitch quality perhaps?

 

[kranger]

Oh dear… thanks to the Lions Team Forum for having an active thread on this matter.

https://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/na...o-frills-olympic-stadium-20240711-p5jsvt.html

The first image of Brisbane’s planned Olympic stadium – the smallest since Amsterdam 1928 – can now be revealed.

The photocopied image of the Queensland Sports and Athletics Centre, obtained by this masthead through the Right to Information Act, shows a single permanent covered grandstand, with most of the crowd exposed to the elements in uncovered temporary seating.

An artists’ render of QSAC in Olympics mode, designed by Populous and obtained through the Right to Information Act.CREDIT:RTI - QUEENSLAND GOVERNMENT

The no-frills QSAC Olympic stadium, designed by architecture firm Populous, would hold just 40,000 spectators and be downsized to 14,000 after the Games. Populous also designed the Suncorp Stadium rebuild in the early 2000s.

QSAC was sensationally chosen as Brisbane’s main Olympic stadium in March, when the planned $2.7 billion rebuild of the Gabba was formally abandoned.

In choosing QSAC, Premier Steven Miles rejected the signature recommendation of the Olympic venues review, which he commissioned, to determine the best site for the main Brisbane 2032 stadium.

That review was led by Graham Quirk, a former Brisbane lord mayor, who recommended a new stadium be built at Victoria Park at an estimated cost of $3.4 billion.

Instead, Miles took Australian Olympic supremo John Coates’ advice and announced QSAC.

The Quirk review estimated the cost of building a mostly temporary Olympic stadium at QSAC at about $1.6 billion, but Lord Mayor Adrian Schrinner said at least a further $400 million would be required to provide adequate public transport to the venue, which is a 3.1-kilometre walk from the nearest train station, Banoon.

Business leaders have continued to pressure the Miles government – and the David Crisafulli-led opposition – to reconsider their opposition to the Victoria Park proposal.

$115,000 a seat: The big cost of a small stadium for Brisbane 2032

The Miles government plans to spend $1.6 billion upgrading QSAC, but it has emerged more money will be needed for the stadium to host athletics at the Games.

www.brisbanetimes.com.au

Under questioning from Deputy Opposition Leader Jarrod Bleijie on Wednesday, Grace said the $1.6 billion pricetag, which remained untested, did not include the temporary seating.

The stadium is being designed to have only 14,000 permanent seats.

“The IOC pays for the temporary seating,” Grace said, adding that the International Olympic Committee had a “significant budget” for temporary overlay at venues.

“They don’t want to leave stadiums that then need to be maintained.”

On current cost estimates, QSAC would come in at about $115,000 per seat for it’s 14,000 seats. For comparison, the 60,000-seat Optus Stadium in Perth, completed in 2017 for $1.6 billion, cost about $26,650 a seat including transport infrastructure.

 

[kranger]

Good summary of current new stadium options.

 

[WesternSydneyHawk]

$1.6 billion for temporary infrastructure at QSAC that will get torn down after the Games doesn't make sense.

Especially given the Gabba is nearing the end of its life.

It will need to be replaced. Either now, or in 10 or 15 years' time when concrete spalling is discovered in a structure that overhangs motor vehicles and pedestrians on Stanley Street.

So the choice is really simple.

Either $1.6 billion now and then the full cost of a new stadium at Victoria Park anyway in 10-to-15 years on top if it.

Or.

Just build the new stadium now at Victoria Park, saving $1.6 billion in temporary works at QSAC.

This really is a no-brainer.

Build it once, build it right, do it at Victoria Park.

 

[Aussie in exile]

I ha

$1.6 billion for temporary infrastructure at QSAC that will get torn down after the Games doesn't make sense.

Especially given the Gabba is nearing the end of its life.

It will need to be replaced. Either now, or in 10 or 15 years' time when concrete spalling is discovered in a structure that overhangs motor vehicles and pedestrians on Stanley Street.

So the choice is really simple.

Either $1.6 billion now and then the full cost of a new stadium at Victoria Park anyway in 10-to-15 years on top if it.

Or.

Just build the new stadium now at Victoria Park, saving $1.6 billion in temporary works at QSAC.

This really is a no-brainer.

Build it once, build it right, do it at Victoria Park.

I have serious doubts if the Brisbane olympics will take place and alreday this far out there seems to be be money problems

 

[Rob]

I ha

I have serious doubts if the Brisbane olympics will take place and alreday this far out there seems to be be money problems

If the Brisbane Olympics gets canned then Australia's reputation as a host of big events will be completely shot to pieces. The Comm games we can argue a one off due to one state's total incompetence but we couldn't argue it twice.

 

[Cmarsh]

I ha

I have serious doubts if the Brisbane olympics will take place and alreday this far out there seems to be be money problems

And if it does, the IOC itself will be partly to blame. They announced Brisbane as host far earlier than they normally do and without any proper prosoal for a host stadium.

 

[Aussie in exile]

If the Brisbane Olympics gets canned then Australia's reputation as a host of big events will be completely shot to pieces. The Comm games we can argue a one off due to one state's total incompetence but we couldn't argue it twice.

After games in Glasgow the commonwealth games will be canned, and if China doesn't bankroll the Asian games they will follow in my opinion
These and even the olympics are just jolly's for freeloaders on these commitiees and also in my opinion and will go the same way as the Dodo.

 

[Fire]

After games in Glasgow the commonwealth games will be canned, and if China doesn't bankroll the Asian games they will follow in my opinion
These and even the olympics are just jolly's for freeloaders on these commitiees and also in my opinion and will go the same way as the Dodo.

You are probably right that the commonwealth games are about to end. The only future for these sorts of games will be to reposition themselves as practice for the Olympics. Who cares about a commonwealth medal? What does it even mean?

So they would need to be scaled way down, to the point where no new facilities are being built, and athletes and officials stay in hotels. Budget it to have minimal TV and crowd interest and, if its still a loss maker, have it funded by the various nations Olympic committees should they want to participate. And probably held in the year before or even the year of the Olympics.

However, even then it may simply be redundant or unwanted. Who knows what the future of the Olympics look like at this point.

 

[peetoo]

The ‘games’ whatever the title seem to have people clamouring to watch sports they totally ignore for the 4 years in between.
It’s a miracle they keep marketing them so well. It’s hollow inside all the hype, an usually a financial disaster for hosting cities. Execs wading in money while the events use unpaid volunteers to function.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Good summary of current new stadium options.

The introduction to this is hyperbolic bullshit.

The 2032 Olympics should have been awarded in September 2025 but because Paris and LA bids were so good and the double awarding of games, it gave Coates the opportunity to get the games back to Oz before he finished up at the IOC and Brisbane had an 11 year lead time not the standard 7.

Does quickly running out of time mean if by 31st of October 2024 we don't have the foundation stone of a new stadium then we wont get one built??

Stadium Australia construction started in 1996 and was ready for the opening round week of NRL in March 1999 and 107,000 attended the double header. The weekend before, I went to the open day for the public.

Makes it sound like all venues are way behind construction and all are design disasters.

There is one massive elephant in the room re Brisbane and that's the main stadium. The rest has no issues for this far out from a 2032 Games.

 

[Aussie in exile]

The introduction to this is hyperbolic bullshit.

The 2032 Olympics should have been awarded in September 2025 but because Paris and LA bids were so good and the double awarding of games, it gave Coates the opportunity to get the games back to Oz before he finished up at the IOC and Brisbane had an 11 year lead time not the standard 7.

Does quickly running out of time mean if by 31st of October 2024 we don't have the foundation stone of a new stadium then we wont get one built??

Stadium Australia construction started in 1996 and was ready for the opening round week of NRL in March 1999 and 107,000 attended the double header. The weekend before, I went to the open day for the public.

Makes it sound like all venues are way behind construction and all are design disasters.

There is one massive elephant in the room re Brisbane and that's the main stadium. The rest has no issues for this far out from a 2032 Games.

I say again i have serious doubts if the games as we know it will go ahead

 

[kranger]

One of the Lions players should have made a statement after their Grand Final win like this about a new Oval Stadium in Brisbane.

 

[Demonoid]

Queensland Opposition Leader David Crisafulli leaves the door open to rebuild Gabba for 2032 Olympics​

Mon 7 Oct

Queensland LNP leaves door open to Gabba rebuild, labelling QSAC proposal an 'embarrassment'

Opposition Leader David Crisafulli suggests a rebuild or upgrade of the Gabba would be "part of the mix" of a planned Olympics review to be ordered by an LNP government.

www.abc.net.au

 

[peetoo]

Will they allow scrutiny on what extra knowledge they gained in 100days that’s not ‘known knowns’