Brodie Grundy's tackle- what's the verdict?

[Saintly Viewed]

This just gets a small warning....

 

[Scodog10]

Agree the club should challenge but what has it got to do with Roos?

Nothing to do with Paul and everything to do with the Kangaroos.

 

[Bad Horse]

This is what I feel about the MRP

 

[Black_White]

This just gets a small warning....

That is a theatrical act.
No comparison to actual sporting contests.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

That is a theatrical act.
No comparison to actual sporting contests.

So the MRP isn't theatrical?

Ok, didn't know

 

[Alexander323bc]

I think the AFL used the opportunity to make a statement about the tackle without impacting a teams finals chances. Just my thought!

 

[Jafo]

One last silly scenario:
Based on the Grundy decision... would a finals team target a gun player from another team, get him done for high contact (concussion) and watch whilst said player gets two or three weeks for an act?

Think it would be too hard to orchestrate this one. Besides, first and foremost, would you want to risk your own player actually getting concussion from the would be tackler? Any player for that matter.

 

[Black_White]

So the MRP isn't theatrical?

Ok, didn't know

I have no retort.

 

[BLERN]

We won't, or shouldn't challenge.
This is the way things are now.
Up to the coaches and players to adjust. And they will.

I do agree.

Everyone lost their mind about the changes to the bump and how it will destroy the game. It didnt destroy it. Just changed it. I think we are watching the same thing happen again.

Players and teams adapt and change to suit and they always will. But while this happens we watch moments like this go overpunished for things that technically are not against the rules.

That is why i think you should appeal (also you have literally nothing to lose. Worst case you have grundy at 100% after a full preseason)

For the record. I thought 1 week when i saw it live.

 

[DIDAIC0S]

We should challenge this on principle. One week I'd have copped. 2 weeks in bs.
Our season is over anyway. So if he ends up with 3, big deal. This inconsistency and bs can't go on.


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[joff]

Decisions like this really make the game i love tough to follow. Is it because he's a magpie?

 

[HFF]

The suspension is of little consequence to us.
It's not like it will impact our season.

If anything, put Grundy on ice and rest up up until pre-season.

 

[Robroy22]

Think it would be too hard to orchestrate this one. Besides, first and foremost, would you want to risk your own player actually getting concussion from the would be tackler? Any player for that matter.

Mate the divers of this league: the Fantasias, the Papley's the blokes that fall down for a tummy tap...they could seriously get this done with no chance of an injury to themselves. We are now at a point that footy hasn't experienced since the days of Kevin Bartlett. Players are "conning the umpires", stretching the rules, the officialdom and the culture of the sport and the spectacle is suffering as a result.

We are in desperate need of some level headed administrators, some strong umpires (the type that like Jeff Crouch or Glen James would tell a young Fantasia or Papley to STOP playing for free kicks and get a kick for themselves) and then we need to listen to the people playing the game NOT the doctors who want to publicise all concussion cases and link them to sport. Why aren't all drivers wearing compulsory helmets? Why is boxing still legal? Why is alcohol still being sold? nah mate its easier to publicise that Patty McCartin has had four concussions this season (he must get tackled a lot)

Want to stop concussions in footy....water the grounds. (betcha they don't)

 

[76woodenspooners]

Pic 1 below: This is the first pic in the sequence. Brown is making to handball, prior opportunity. Grundy coming up behind.



Pic 2 below: A bunch of frames have passed. Brown still in the handballing position, oblivious to what is happening behind him. Grundy is right behind now, his right arm has reached around.

Frame A:

Pic 3 below: Grundy has his right arm completely around Brown, and Grundy's left arm is half way around. Brown remains oblivious. This is classic 'tiptoeing like a librarian' stuff.



Pic 4 Below: Grundy has made contact. Both Grundy's arms are around Brown. Brown has not reacted.

 

[4#Didak#4]

Mate the divers of this league: the Fantasias, the Papley's the blokes that fall down for a tummy tap...they could seriously get this done with no chance of an injury to themselves. We are now at a point that footy hasn't experienced since the days of Kevin Bartlett. Players are "conning the umpires", stretching the rules, the officialdom and the culture of the sport and the spectacle is suffering as a result.

We are in desperate need of some level headed administrators, some strong umpires (the type that like Jeff Crouch or Glen James would tell a young Fantasia or Papley to STOP playing for free kicks and get a kick for themselves) and then we need to listen to the people playing the game NOT the doctors who want to publicise all concussion cases and link them to sport. Why aren't all drivers wearing compulsory helmets? Why is boxing still legal? Why is alcohol still being sold? nah mate its easier to publicise that Patty McCartin has had four concussions this season (he must get tackled a lot)

Want to stop concussions in footy....water the grounds. (betcha they don't)

This is where Collingwood is falling down, back in the day we would have taken penetrometer readings of the ground and all other AFL grounds. We would have discovered Etihad is a harder surface and contributed to the high level of damage from impact. Had he played on a damp Skilled Stadium he would have played on like nothing happened. This would open the door to a huge law suit as the AFL contributed to a players injury, appeals & threats of high court action would result in the whole thing being dropped. Alas the fking footy dept cap has put an end to the days where you could throw QC's at something like this to make it go away, those were good times.

I am still waiting for the outcome of Todd Goldstein's case. He fell on Greenwood and injured him. I realise it was accidental but I believe the precedent now is that if you cause an injury - especially one that means the player cannot continue in the game - then suspension is inevitable. It is the result of your action not the intention thats important and I think that is clear now. I feel sorry for Goldstein but thems the rules.

 

[76woodenspooners]

Pic 5: This the first pic that shows that Brown is aware something is happening. He's getting tackled, but he's got no idea that it's by Collingwood's physically strongest player (IIRC Grundy holds the current bench press record at the club by a long way)

Take particular note of Brown's leg positions in this pic. He's crouching down, as he has been in all the previous pics.



Pic 6: This is the point at which Grundy has arms fully pinned. Brown hasn't got a chance now. It's at this point that it's the perfect tackle. The only chance that Brown has at this stage is to drop the ball onto the boot.



Pic 7: This is where things get interesting. Compare this pic below to the previous one. Look at the relative positions of the ball - Brown drawing the ball into his chest. Look at the relative positions of Brown's left leg, he's extending it out. Is he trying to break the tackle?



Pic 8: This pic below is a few frames on, Brown has taken a full step forward, his left leg has bent back and his right leg is now forward. Brown has now fully drawn the ball into his chest. Yes indeed, he's trying to break the tackle.

Grundy's right foot is planted. Grundy's left foot (Nike, black sock) is flipping to becoming not planted. Throughout the rest of the sequence Grundy's left foot is no longer planted. Grundy's hips are a lot lower than Brown's, so as long as Grundy hangs on (he's strong, he will), then Brown is coming down, although as we'll see in the next frames Brown clearly doesn't realise that yet.

 

[larrikan]

Firstly, like everyone I am disgusted that Grundy has been suspended for tackling correctly. It is the outcome and future concussion lawsuits that drive the AFLs agenda. On a different tact, for quite a few years now all clubs have hired rugby coaches et el to master the art of tackling. I was never taught to pin the arms when I played - we went for the hips. Now in junior football all players are taught to pin both arms for a perfect tackle. The clubs have created this with the way they have changed tackling and pressure acts. Its not surprising injuries will occur to an unprotected player. This new form of tackling emphasis was always a danger. The AFL changes rules that the clubs stretch to the limits. This way of tackling IS NOT how football was played. There is just going to be a reset here back to the old way of tackling and it will cause less congestion. Pinning the arms results in free kicks but more than often stoppages. A stoppage is structurally what every club loves. If players stop pinning both arms, the ball will be disposed of and a more free flowing game will return. Just my opinion, let's spend more time teaching field and goal kicking and less time on rugby tackles!

 

[76woodenspooners]

Pic 9: Brown's right leg is now fully planted, and his left leg is making a step.



Pic 10: Brown now has both legs fully planted, he's standing up in the tackle. His left arm is controlling the ball. Can't really see what his right arm is doing from this angle, if it's making a fist then that might be an indication that his right is flexed trying to break the tackle.



Pic 11 below: Brown loses control of the footy here and is losing balance. His left foot is on the ground and his right foot is moving to regain balance. Neither of Grundy's feet is making any significant contact with the ground. Grundy is on his way down and he's taking Brown with him.



Pic 12 below: we can clearly see that Brown is still trying to stand up in the tackle.

 

[Big Bryza]

Gotta laugh at Slobbo.

Danger and Grundy pretty much the same incident.

OMFG how can Danger get suspended?!

OMFG Grundy! How dangerous! Suspend him for life.


**** off Robbo, don't even bother reporting on Collingwood incidents you fat campaigner.

 

[david addison]

Glass half full? Look at it this way. Grundy avoided suspension the other 50 times he tackled the same way over the past few years. He might have only played a handful of games by now. Thank goodness the AFL dishes out suspensions based on the outcome of incidents, rather than intent. I think they're just great. Especially Gillon. He's fantastic. I love it when he puts on his monotone drawl when he has to respond to a difficult question. It's almost hypnotic. And I love his little brother who plays gatekeeper on 7 & sen. A really honourable and upstanding family, the McLaughlans. I wonder if they could administrate my local netball comp.

Mark Stevens. Spot on. 2 weeks. In no time flat, he pops up at the final siren and nails it. A bit too sure for my liking. I find it suspicious when people predict the future that quickly. Looked like the fix was in. Reminded me of bin laden scrolling across my tv only minutes after the towers went down. Yes, I'm comparing Stevens to Bin Laden. A lot in common. Both terrorists. Both live in caves. Both friends with Murdoch.

A midfield now without Grundy, Greenwood, Wells, Varcoe & Pendlebury. A damn shame. Port have hit the wall. Cats depleted. Dees we can compete with. Could have been a fine end to the season. It might have even led to finals. Coulda woulda shoulda. Such is 2017. Good riddance. I look forward to watching players trying to keep their opponents upright during tackles. Should be the best comedy on TV. Better than the 3 stooges. Speaking of stooges, I want to commend Richo & Darc for letting Brodie watch the footage of himself concussing another player. Did him a world of good I'm sure.

Only 1878 more days of AFL on 7.

 

[76woodenspooners]

Pic 13 Below: OK, we're switching angles here and rewinding back to around the time of pic 10. The tackle is long underway given Grundy's position, and yet Brown's legs are both firmly planted. Grundy has lost control of his left leg, he's unbalanced, he's going over. Grundy's choice now is to let go of Brown (allowing him to continue play with the footy) or to take him down with him.



Pic 14 below: in this pic we see Brown's right hand in a tight fist and the muscle definition in his right arm is clear. He's resisting the tackle. Grundy has (deliberately) lost control of his own bodyweight, he's practically off the ground, so there's now around 200kg's passing through Brown's left leg.



Pic 15 below: Compare Brown's left leg in this pic and the previous one - he's still trying to stand up in the tackle! His right leg is swinging around to regain balance ...



Pic 16 below: We see Brown getting that right foot back down in a last effort to regain balance



Pic 17 below: This is the last pic. Both Brown's feet have gone from under him now. All the forces have now pretty much been applied, both players are now passengers.

 

[david addison]

BREAKING NEWS: the next AFL initiative: Every player must carry a cushion during play. I got my hands on the official Pies cushion, and I can reveal it here on big footy:

Above: 'home' cushion.




Above: 'Away' cushion.

 

[76woodenspooners]

Now have a look at the incident in the slow mo video from the 35 second mark below.

When you do, ask yourself these questions ...

- Was Brown standing up in the tackle?

- Was Brown trying to break the tackle? (albeit very unsuccessfully)

- Did Brown's own actions of standing up and trying to break the tackle contribute to him falling over and landing in a prone position?

- Would Brown have ended up in such a prone position if he hadn't fought the tackle? What would have happened if he had have dropped his knees instead?

- Brown had no idea who he was being tackled by. Was it Blair? (who he might have shrugged off). Was it Goldsack? (who he had shrugged off seconds earlier - seen at the start of this clip) If it hadn't been Grundy (Collingwood's strongest player by a long way) might Brown have gotten away with shrugging off the tackle?

- Do you think the bloke with the footy should bare some responsibility for his own duty of care?

 

[loki04]

They take 'the medical report' into account now. New age footy. Kinda makes you sick.

We used to promote it around the works as being a tough and skilled game. We don't wear pads and look how hard we hit! Now we would have to promote it as 'keepings off with a football'.

Head honchos at AFL HQ have a hard on for that Gealic Hybrid crap for years.

The footy with no (more so piss weak) tackling and death of the bump will have our game look identical with only difference ball and oval shape and no net.

They are systematically destroying part of what made this game great to play and now watch.

Future litigation protection and how it looks to soccer mum is the major driving factor behind this.

 

[Jafo]

This is where Collingwood is falling down, back in the day we would have taken penetrometer readings of the ground and all other AFL grounds. We would have discovered Etihad is a harder surface and contributed to the high level of damage from impact. Had he played on a damp Skilled Stadium he would have played on like nothing happened. This would open the door to a huge law suit as the AFL contributed to a players injury, appeals & threats of high court action would result in the whole thing being dropped. Alas the fking footy dept cap has put an end to the days where you could throw QC's at something like this to make it go away, those were good times.

I am still waiting for the outcome of Todd Goldstein's case. He fell on Greenwood and injured him. I realise it was accidental but I believe the precedent now is that if you cause an injury - especially one that means the player cannot continue in the game - then suspension is inevitable. It is the result of your action not the intention thats important and I think that is clear now. I feel sorry for Goldstein but thems the rules.

I believe the report on the night, well comentary, was that Goldstein got up and played on. In fact, in one passage of play disrupted Dunn and then passed it directly to Ziebel that goaled.