Scandal Brownlow Betting Scandal

[RonnieRaven]

Monkey see monkey do.
A young umpire has seen how other umps grease the bearings for their mates in the boys club at (a)VFL house with decisions that help business.
Thinks it’s ok to harmlessly help a few of his mates out.
I’m excited about the possibility of some one within the mob to pull back the curtain on the WWE sorry AFL to highlight just how far it’s moved from genuine fair sporting competition into a full business where bottom line overrides what’s right and wrong and everything is dictated by the dollar.

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

I wonder what triggers a suspicious betting activity alert. How likely is a false positive? How was this traced back to an umpire from that point?

What triggers it? A betting agency losing money. If they bets weren't winners, we wouldn't be hearing about this.

Greedy campaigners.

 

[Mitchell Madness]

Not surprised. There's a reason certain players seem to get treated better than others, and it isn't because they're "just better"

 

[HairyO]

Civil??? It’s criminal. It corrupts the gambling books.

sharing details of voting is akin to insider trading . Gambling whether you like it or not is a legitimate business , any effort that may undermine this is deemed criminally illegal .

So gambling companies get to decide what we can and cannot say and the penalty is criminal rather than civil?

And youre okay with this?

 

[Chief]

AFL needs gambling money and if the game or AFL products (Brownlow voting) cannot be trusted the gambling dollars will stop.

Sounds terrible.

 

[GWT6]

Easy to be an ignorant, deluded fool.

While most people wager money and apply themselves fairly, some corrupt person is handing away the results to other punters who make a killing.

Discussing the voting is not being dedicated to your job , it is CORRUPT !!! It’s a CRIME !!!!

Shame some dickheads want to defend the alleged criminal while totally ignoring the victims.

Where is your compassion for the honest punter???

The "victims" are likely to be massive betting agencies that pay very little tax but make huge donations to the political parties, to allow them to run these cancerous organisations that strip money from millions of suckers to enrich a few.

Not justifying what he may have done, but don't delude yourself into thinking that the rules are in place to look after the honest punter - it's about keeping the rich rich and getting elected.

 

[GWT6]

AFL operations manager stated, Given the nature of the alleged activity we engaged Sports Integrity Australia and Victoria Police to assist with the matter.

This is something the AFL would want to deal with, their hand was forced once gambling companies came to them stating we have betting irregularities.

Think the AFL will always take the big stick out when dealing with potential corruption of the game. This is looking like it is more of a insider betting case and not game corruption but it shows they were keen to act.

Huh?????

The AFL does everything it can to hide corruption in the game - look at the depths it went to to try and cover up the Essendon systematic doping.

This is about AFL sponsors potentially losing money, and the AFL execs making sure they look after the ones that line their pockets.

 

[Sentinel]

What triggers it? A betting agency losing money. If they bets weren't winners, we wouldn't be hearing about this.

Greedy campaigners.

Well duh, if they weren't winners then they weren't being fed reliable inside information and there's nothing to see here.

They're hardly going to open up an investigation about a dodgy inaccurate tip that doesn't come to fruition are they?

 

[woopy doo]

Will we have to replay the 2022 season again?

 

[dangerwood]

So gambling companies get to decide what we can and cannot say and the penalty is criminal rather than civil?

And youre okay with this?

I think you're picking and choosing which parts of this work with your argument. To simplify it down to "betting agency controls what people say" isn't accurate, this isn't an argument about free speech, it's stealing. Like it or not, we all operate within a market and someone unfairly manipulating that market affects everyone. I hate billionaires, should we tax them more and change their monopoly on things? Probably - Should individuals be allowed to manipulate the market for personal gain? No, it's stealing and criminal. Does it happen a lot? Yes but that doesn't make it okay. We need to uphold the rules.

 

[Bluelegs]

The Crows game is the odd one to me, his stat line was nice but his impact? Not sure on that one.

Have you never seen how the Brownlow is voted on?

 

[Mr Magic]

AFL is corrupt from top to bottom. Wouldn't surprise me if they also rig Auskick!!

I will write it again, no team won the premiership this year, it was rigged

 

[Jetafl]

AFL umpires are some of the biggest crooks out there we have been robbed countless times 2012 prelim comes to mind. I'm sure all supporters can relate to being robbed blind by an AFL umpire(s). Some in the AFL including umpires are corrupt.

Finals umpires 'got it wrong'

ADELAIDE was robbed.

www.perthnow.com.au

 

[beema limapep]

I will write it again, no team won the premiership this year, it was rigged

Please explain how you have come to this point.

 

[IKnowtheDog]

https://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/red-flag-triggered-sudden-brownlow-medal-investigation/news-story/f8e475774263f7491aeba9e2f7042c75

 

[Kappa]

Says a lot about Margetts that he's come out and publicly shat on a colleague before all the facts have been established. Even if the guy is guilty as sin you don't need to stick the knife in when plenty of media personalities will be doing just that on a slow news day...

The umpires will be more pissed off than anyone as he’s tarnished their integrity.

 

[PrinceCharles]

Trust takes years to build, seconds to break and forever to repair. - Einstein

 

[Sentinel]

The umpires will be more pissed off than anyone as he’s tarnished their integrity.

They were already fighting a difficult battle against a lot of football fans who think they're dodgy/corrupt/out to get their team (when the simplest explanation is always that they're human, prone to mistakes whilst trying to adjudicate a game with a number of very grey rules). This does the general umpiring fraternity no favours at all even if it has nothing to do with how they operate in-game.

 

[Jim Prideaux]

AFL umpires are some of the biggest crooks out there we have been robbed countless times 2012 prelim comes to mind. I'm sure all supporters can relate to being robbed blind by an AFL umpire(s). Some in the AFL including umpires are corrupt.

Finals umpires 'got it wrong'

ADELAIDE was robbed.

www.perthnow.com.au

 

[Mr Magic]

Did he umpire any finals?

 

[Mr Magic]

Please explain how you have come to this point.

It is easy to see the way markets where set at times this year it was rigged. There where biases only explained by intervention. The fact a trivial brownlow market is under question simply highlights what really happened in the main markets

Notice US betting agencies getting involved to


Notice betr coming in doing there promotions to 100/1 for up to ten dollars.

Furthermore, notice crypto.com suspected to be in possible trouble now after AFL HQ got sponsorship from them

 

[Cripps 'n' Blue Bloods]

Hey don’t get all defensive. I wasn’t actually even thinking about the overall winner. It was more a question around the voting.

I for one think Cripps is deserving - the fact that he got off the suspension was in my opinion very lucky for him (cry about that of you want but yeah he was lucky) - but whatever, he won off the back of a good year.

Sorry mate, wasn't being defensive. Was just cracking a joke.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Civil??? It’s criminal. It corrupts the gambling books.

sharing details of voting is akin to insider trading . Gambling whether you like it or not is a legitimate business , any effort that may undermine this is deemed criminally illegal .

The difference in insider trading is that the market and the public loses. The only people who are harmed here are the betting agencies themselves. The betting agencies already have sole control over how their markets move so that they can hedge their losses and operate at an almost guaranteed profit. If it was of substantial volume of betting to cause damage to the betting company they would (or should) have either not taken the bet or adjusted the line sufficiently to hedge. They get to cry foul when they lose out, yet they consistently close markets and adjust lines at their own will to protect themselves?

 

[Cripps 'n' Blue Bloods]

I personally know Michael and you wouldn't meet a nicer guy who was totally dedicated to being an afl umpire. I'm absolutely shocked that he's involved and i hope that's it's all wrong or at worst massively over blown by the media.
Not that I can tell anyone in here what to do, but try to keep it professional not personal. They guy is not a bad person and has a wife and child and doesn't need to be shat on by losers like us whilst dealing with this storm.

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Not that I doubt you about knowing him, or how nice he is, but I saw another comment on twitter by someone who seemed to know him and said they weren't surprised and that he's a smart arse going back years.

 

[Bluelegs]

The difference in insider trading is that the market and the public loses. The only people who are harmed here are the betting agencies themselves. The betting agencies already have sole control over how their markets move so that they can hedge their losses and operate at an almost guaranteed profit. If it was of substantial volume of betting to cause damage to the betting company they would (or should) have either not taken the bet or adjusted the line sufficiently to hedge. They get to cry foul when they lose out, yet they consistently close markets and adjust lines at their own will to protect themselves?

I remember a few years back some betting company accidentally gave broken odds on a multi involving Jeremy Cameron winning the Coleman into Richmond winning the Flag into Dustin Martin winning the Norm Smith or something. They canceled the bet right before the payout which they're allowed to do because they put one line in their ToS. The house always wins, bloody scam. They can all get stuffed as far as I'm concerned.