Brownlow Medal 2013

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Harry_The_Horse said:
Pissed as ******* Hell. $1000 outlay for a $1260 return ****KKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK
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You do realize you would have made more money dumping the entire $1k on the Dockers at $1.31 to beat the Swans over the weekend, which definitely was a more safer option, regardless of hindsight.

No ties or anomalies to consider for HH beating in a finals game compared what can take place with the Brownlow betting.

Just out of curiosity did you bet $1000 on a $1.26 result or did you have multiple bets?
 
GROTTO said:
I did see a trend this year, where losing teams did get the 3 and 2 votes, which was a curve ball for me at least.

I picked Fyfe >>> Danger and choked.

It is something I will think about next year, but definitely something I wont concern myself with till after the final round.
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Yep i think it was a north vs hawks game. Hawks won but north got the 3 and 2 and i think it was mitchell who got the one.

Then the dons game Goddard 3 in a 10 goal smacking from the eagles.

There wouldve been plenty more.

It started to happen a bit last year but i think people just thought it was the "Ablett only rule" that changed for sure this year and this will make future predictions very hard to adjust with.

It certainly helped guys like Jones and Cameron get over the top.
 
Keystone agony said:
It started to happen a bit last year but i think people just thought it was the "Ablett only rule" that changed for sure this year and this will make future predictions very hard to adjust with.
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Maybe my memory is failing but I am sure that in the past, before Ablett moved, that it was rare for a player to get a 3 or a 2 in a losing team and I do remember in media awards in the past, the winning team always had the 3,2,1 more often than not.
 

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d3ft said:
Dangerfield and Rockliff would be the obvious picks for next year, assuming their teams improve.
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I think what Keystone Agony was alluding to is the fact that being on the winning team doesn't seem to matter that much any more.

For example Hawthorn Team Total 83 (from 19 wins) in 2013 compared to North Melbourne's Team Total of 77 (From 10 wins).
 
Keystone agony said:
Except hes playing for another team and when they win the umps only look to one player.
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Not really... has deserved all the votes he's got, he's not gifted votes like a Mitchell 2012. From memory he would have got a lot of votes in losing sides so more wins will mean what? That he gets votes again.So nothing changes really. I don't think Gold Coast winning 12-13 games would have a lot of difference vote wise for him than winning say 8 or whatever it was this year. He votes when he plays well because he's a dominating force. Whether he's dominating in wins or dominating in losses he'll still get the votes he derserves so I think its a bit simple to say the umps just look to the Ablett because he's Ablett.
 
KardiniaPark said:
Not really... has deserved all the votes he's got, he's not gifted votes like a Mitchell 2012. From memory he would have got a lot of votes in losing sides so more wins will mean what? That he gets votes again.So nothing changes really. I don't think Gold Coast winning 12-13 games would have a lot of difference vote wise for him than winning say 8 or whatever it was this year. He votes when he plays well because he's a dominating force. Whether he's dominating in wins or dominating in losses he'll still get the votes he derserves so I think its a bit simple to say the umps just look to the Ablett because he's Ablett.
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Yep... If they win more games, it will be because of better performances from his teammates. Which will likely erode Ablett's dominance of Gold Coast votes.
 

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KardiniaPark said:
Not really... has deserved all the votes he's got, he's not gifted votes like a Mitchell 2012. From memory he would have got a lot of votes in losing sides so more wins will mean what? That he gets votes again.So nothing changes really. I don't think Gold Coast winning 12-13 games would have a lot of difference vote wise for him than winning say 8 or whatever it was this year. He votes when he plays well because he's a dominating force. Whether he's dominating in wins or dominating in losses he'll still get the votes he derserves so I think its a bit simple to say the umps just look to the Ablett because he's Ablett.
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Im not sure how much more of a step forward gc will make next year but if its from 8 games to 12-13 then i think hes naturally gonna be 2-4 votes better off.

Your right though he basically got what he deserved this year, id have to look through his votes did he pinch some 1's at the end that maybe he shouldnt have got?

Edit: In the 8 games in 2013 they won he polled 6 3's. One 1 which probably couldve been a 3 but Dixon had every right to the BOG. The other game he didnt poll as he shouldnt have he was terrible. Stats would show this year wins are important to him gaining the big 3 votes.
 
Keystone agony said:
Im not sure how much more of a step forward gc will make next year but if its from 8 games to 12-13 then i think hes naturally gonna be 2-4 votes better off.

Your right though he basically got what he deserved this year, id have to look through his votes did he pinch some 1's at the end that maybe he shouldnt have got?
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the Round 16 vote against Richmond was laughable.
26 touches, one mark, zero goals.

his direct opponent, Daniel Jackson got the 3 votes.

contentious vote against carlton in round 18 also, realistically.

yes, i was on selwood big time so tended to notice these two more, and there were most likely votes that selwood got that were above the odds also - in saying that, gaz is a very deserving winner of another medal, whether it be this year or another year.
 
Keystone agony said:
Im not sure how much more of a step forward gc will make next year but if its from 8 games to 12-13 then i think hes naturally gonna be 2-4 votes better off.

Your right though he basically got what he deserved this year, id have to look through his votes did he pinch some 1's at the end that maybe he shouldnt have got?
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Haven't been through it round by round but 28 was at the lower end of what I had him on.

Ablett : 27 / 34 / 30.5
 
CamTinley said:
I think what Keystone Agony was alluding to is the fact that being on the winning team doesn't seem to matter that much any more.

For example Hawthorn Team Total 83 (from 19 wins) in 2013 compared to North Melbourne's Team Total of 77 (From 10 wins).
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To be fair the Hawks had a bit of the Miami Heat about them this year.
THe regular season was just a side-show and often they'd fade out of games for a half but had the talent to win nonetheless.
 
KardiniaPark said:
Wha? Where's Swan going?
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I mean its only a thought, but hasnt his name been thrown around?
Collingwood are looking to rebuild, Swan has 1-2 years left max, and doesnt seem 'interested' in culture changes and has already admitted to disliking the structure/meetings involved in AFL footy.
I mean I would suspect he stays, but you'd think if he does go then Pendles is a real chance (even though he underpolled this year)
 

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