Updated Bruce Lehrmann * Justice Lee - "Mr Lehrmann r*ped Ms Higgins."

[Kurve]

Historical Rape Allegation Against Fmr AG Christian Porter
The Alexander Matters matters

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LINK TO TIMELINE
CJS INQUIRY
FINAL REPORT – BOARD OF INQUIRY – CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM
Joint media statement – Chief Minister and Attorney-General

LINK TO FEDERAL COURT DEFAMATION PROCEEDINGS

 

[Toump Ass]

After being r*ped I doubt very much if a person could remember exactly how their clothing was arranged particularly when they have been out of it

Wasn't she caught telling porky pies about hiding the dress under the bed? She was so ashamed she couldn't look at it, think of the children!

A little bit of "PR" I think they call that in the biz.

 

[Toump Ass]

What is a medical report going to conclude?

That there was likely some sexual intercourse that took place. Instead Higgins went to work on Monday, had a coffee from Bruce, sent polite emails to him. All very formal and polite.

I reckon Bruce is a piece of human excrement though let's be clear.

 

[Kurve]

That there was likely some sexual intercourse that took place. Instead Higgins went to work on Monday, had a coffee from Bruce, sent polite emails to him. All very formal and polite.

What else was she supposed to do while processing it all? Such a really complicated situation she was in.

It isn't unusual for victims of a sex crime to take ten years or more just to be able to say it.

 

[Toump Ass]

What else was she supposed to do while processing it all? Such a really complicated situation she was in.

I understand it would be incredibly difficult to come forward as a victim of sexual assault, even without the added pressure and complexities of working for a major political party which is actively trying to silence you, knowing the media attention this would generate, the threat to your career etc.

Still. Just can't add it up is all is all.

Happy for Bruce to gets thrown in jail forever though.

 

[Cameron_Jezza]

Looking forward to reading Higgins' article of all of her lies

Bruce Lehrmann defamation trial: the six lies he admitted to under cross-examination

The former Liberal party staffer spent five days giving evidence – the first time he has spoken in open court

www.theguardian.com

How is this going do people think. Are either of Bruce or Brittany looking good in the witness stand, or both look bad.
In my view both could be telling the truth, or both lying . I am sure Bruce is lying about something ( it is possible she consented, then fell asleep and he then didn't realise it, or very wrongly ignored it).

 

[Kurve]

I understand it would be incredibly difficult to come forward as a victim of sexual assault, even without the added pressure and complexities of working for a major political party which is actively trying to silence you, knowing the media attention this would generate, the threat to your career etc.

Still. Just can't add it up is all is all.

Happy for Bruce to gets thrown in jail forever though.

For her and like many others, it can evolve to become more about dignity, self worth and validation once you've stepped up.

 

[Kurve]

How is this going do people think. Are either of Bruce or Brittany looking good in the witness stand, or both look bad.
In my view both could be telling the truth, or both lying . I am sure Bruce is lying about something ( it is possible she consented, then fell asleep and he then didn't realise it, or very wrongly ignored it).

Even if Lehrmann interpreted signals Higgins might be willing, all bets were off when she started skolling drinks, with him aware of how much she was drinking and what it was, when she started staggering and slurring, when she faceplanted at 88mph and when she was too drunk to sign herself in at security.

His defense may have been one of consensual sex but that option is squarely out due to her levels of intoxication and he knew it. This is obvious by the answers he gave through the taking of his police statement.

 

[Xtreme]

So based on the lies Lehrmann has been caught out with repeatedly in the past few days, you'd apply the same criteria to him, right?

Both have lied and thus are as bad as each other, we'll never know the exact truth. But I am more convinced with Bruce being much more truthful.

 

[Gavin Excell]

Both have lied and thus are as bad as each other, we'll never know the exact truth. But I am more convinced with Bruce being much more truthful.

So Bruce just a lovable cad as opposed to a nasty piece of work?

 

[Xtreme]

So Bruce just a lovable cad as opposed to a nasty piece of work?

Breucey is a dickhead not a loveable cad/lad.

 

[jason_recliner]

it is possible she consented, then fell asleep and he then didn't realise it...

No, that's not possible.

... or very wrongly ignored it).

More possible but she was unable to consent, regardless.

The appropriate/normal thing to do, if that attracted to her, is drop her home first, make sure she gets in safe and sound, go home, break up with the missus, then pursue Brittany when both are sober. Not f##k her on a couch in the boss's office and walk away without saying anything (no evidence of him checking in on her over the weekend, either).

 

[Punt rd end]

His story of just popping in to get something which is what he told Brittney on the way home doesn't make sense when he takes off and leaves her there. If someone was giving me a lift or sharing a cab I would presume that we would leave PH together and continue the journey. The way he high-tailed it out of there alone rouses suspicion

 

[Sqotty from office works]

. The way he high-tailed it out of there alone rouses suspicion

Not really sus.

I've walked home and left women at other people's places after they've fallen asleep.

I did not have passed out sex with them either.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

A former poster on this board was tweeting at Huggins saying she just regretted having sex.

The poster was rejected from the military on psychological grounds and is a convicted drug trafficker.

These are the people defending Bruce.


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[Lady O]

Anybody still not believe her????

She was giving him a lot of come on signals earlier, for someone who reckoned she rejected a previous attempt to kiss her. I doubt she had 11+ spirit drinks from 7.30 to 2.30 and could still manage to stand upright. If she was (as quoted in media) 5x over the limit (0.08 x 5 =0.4), it would have been very obvious indeed. Instead, she skipped down the hallway at PH and stood still without swaying.

 

[Kurve]

it is possible she consented, then fell asleep and he then didn't realise it, or very wrongly ignored it

Higgins wasn't legal.

Men really need to get across this. Higgins levels of intoxication mean that even if she hadn't fought him off and he mistook that for consent, or even if she muttered a yes doesn't mean she'd have given it because she was too drunk, to legally give consent.

Contracts can also be voided if the signatory was intoxicated at the time of signing.

 

[geoffjennings79]

Breucey is a dickhead not a loveable cad/lad.

He's at least that, but he's not the only one.

Both have lied and thus are as bad as each other, we'll never know the exact truth. But I am more convinced with Bruce being much more truthful.

So you're saying the holes in his story confirmed by CCTV, lack of credit card purchases to verify his version of purchases at the bar, etc, this week alone gives you cause to believe his story?

Do you leave carrots and milk out next month for some fictional being dressed in red and his flying menagerie as well?

 

[Kurve]

Not really sus.

I've walked home and left women at other people's places after they've fallen asleep.

I did not have passed out sex with them either.

Leaving someone you know had passed out and was safely asleep in a house, is in no way the same as taking a drunk woman in to Parliament House and leaving them there, saying later you had no idea whether they were asleep or not in the Minister's office because you didn't check.

 

[Punt rd end]

Not really sus.

I've walked home and left women at other people's places after they've fallen asleep.

I did not have passed out sex with them either.

It wasn't someone's place though, it was the minister's office at PH

 

[Xtreme]

He's at least that, but he's not the only one.



So you're saying the holes in his story confirmed by CCTV, lack of credit card purchases to verify his version of purchases at the bar, etc, this week alone gives you cause to believe his story?

Britters getting tripped up at the actual criminal trial was way worse.

 

[Kurve]

Both have lied and thus are as bad as each other, we'll never know the exact truth. But I am more convinced with Bruce being much more truthful.

Has to be a troll at this point.

 

[Xtreme]

Has to be a troll at this point.

Its my overall opinion based on all information available. Have largely had the same point of view since the start.

 

[Kurve]

Its my overall opinion based on all information available. Have largely had the same point of view since the start.

That your opinion hasn't changed since Lehrmann admits to repeatedly and knowingly telling wholly false lies, says a lot.

 

[BigTacoBandit]

How is this going do people think. Are either of Bruce or Brittany looking good in the witness stand, or both look bad.
In my view both could be telling the truth, or both lying . I am sure Bruce is lying about something ( it is possible she consented, then fell asleep and he then didn't realise it, or very wrongly ignored it).

In this case, one of them is definitely not telling the truth.

She is saying sex occurred and he is saying no sexual activity at all occurred.

It's not a case of consent or withdrawn consent or no condom being used. It's a black and white question of whether sex occurred which I would imagine is a pretty rare situation in rape cases that make it to trial.

Judge is going have to decide who is more credible and whether 10 should have run the story at all.

 

[Xtreme]

That your opinion hasn't changed since Lehrmann admits to repeatedly and knowingly telling wholly false lies, says a lot.

Why ? Because I think Britney has lied more ?