Updated Bruce Lehrmann * Justice Lee - "Mr Lehrmann r*ped Ms Higgins."

[Kurve]

Historical Rape Allegation Against Fmr AG Christian Porter
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[Lady O]

Yeah but it was Bruce who encouraged her to finish a drink/s and Bruce who r*ped her when she was too drunk to consent (regardless of who bought how many drinks - the other people didn't rape her).

Allegedly!

Anyway, puts to bed the "Bruce got her drunk". A bit like "the couch was steam cleaned".

 

[Kurve]

Allegedly!

Anyway, puts to bed the "Bruce got her drunk". A bit like "the couch was steam cleaned".

It's undeniable Bruce indicated three drinks on the table were Higgins' and he was encouraging her to skull them. So I'm not sure it does put the issue to bed.

We're also yet to hear testimony from 88mph.

 

[BigPond101]

Higgins was a huge Trump supporter who deleted galleries of pictures of herself wearing MAGA hats before turning her phone into police lmao

The peaceful left about to go from supporting her to wanting to throw her off a tall building

 

[Festerz]

Checking in to the Federal Court livestream tomorrow for sure, two of the witnesses from 88mph will take the stand. Not sure of the rest but it will be an interesting day I think.

20 witnesses still to be called by the defence.

The legal costs of this action will be huge by the time this ends.

 

[Lady O]

It's undeniable Bruce indicated three drinks on the table were Higgins' and he was encouraging her to skull them. So I'm not sure it does put the issue to bed.

We're also yet to hear testimony from 88mph.

There were the rounds bought from the small table as well. Blue T-Shirt drank one, BH drank one. Two seem to have been left.

Pity 88rpm don't have CCTV too!

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Higgins was a huge Trump supporter who deleted galleries of pictures of herself wearing MAGA hats before turning her phone into police lmao

The peaceful left about to go from supporting her to wanting to throw her off a tall building

That's the first thing you thought of, throwing her off a building?

Stop projecting.

 

[BonzaRam]

Maybe we could educate the boys not to rape then it wouldn't matter if the girls had a drink

There are gender equality programs in place now and also in the making. By educate i do hope you don't mean just leave to schools to do... regardless sexual assaults are not going magically stop one day so parents should be talking to their children about the darker sides of society just so they can be more prepared to avoid or act if they find themselves in the firing line.

Personally i would suggest girls learn some form of basic self defense as well as learn not to allow anyone to pressure them into drinking for sake of drinking, and when they find themselves being pressured to call it out, there are other women and men around that will support them.

It needs to be taught before they start dating and partying etc.

 

[Kurve]

Higgins was a huge Trump supporter who deleted galleries of pictures of herself wearing MAGA hats before turning her phone into police lmao

The peaceful left about to go from supporting her to wanting to throw her off a tall building

Oh, I didn't know that but now that I do, it makes no difference.

 

[jason_recliner]

It's undeniable Bruce indicated three drinks on the table were Higgins' and he was encouraging her to skull them.

Yep.

 

[jason_recliner]

Higgins was a huge Trump supporter who deleted galleries of pictures of herself wearing MAGA hats before turning her phone into police lmao

Not sure of the relevance or implications of this post. You think it's okay to rape Trump supporters? As a Trump fan, I couldn't disagree more.

 

[Festerz]

Festerz what do you think should be done to reduce or even eradicate sexual assaults occurring?

Just for the record PH is not only place it happens...

It’s a workplace. And our Federal Parliament Ffs.

How about our parliamentary representatives accept the evidence of the accepted culture of sexual assault in the places where our laws are made, implement and enforce workplace laws that both encourage and support victims to come forward to report assaults and punish offenders.

We could use that as a model for all workplaces across Australia with workplace laws and properly trained HR staff and police forces to isolate and imprison repeat offenders.

Or we could keep pretending sexual assaults don’t happen in the workplace, continue to lecture young girls on how they should behave , and continue to attack alleged victims for daring to speak out.

 

[BigPond101]

Not sure of the relevance or implications of this post. You think it's okay to rape Trump supporters? As a Trump fan, I couldn't disagree more.

I'm a Trump fan too that's how I know many on the far left believe once someone puts on a MAGA hat they are fair game to be r*ped and murdered

 

[CD Xbow]

I'm a Trump fan too that's how I know many on the far left believe once someone puts on a MAGA hat they are fair game to be r*ped and murdered

Utterly fact less claim and you do seem to be projecting a bit, just like the Trumpster does.

 

[Kurve]

I'm a Trump fan too that's how I know many on the far left believe once someone puts on a MAGA hat they are fair game to be r*ped and murdered

r*ped and murdered? That's a bit extreme. How many is 'many'? I haven't noticed it specifically but there are those on both sides of the political spectrum that will take a position that favours their side regardless of the circumstances.

 

[Festerz]

I'm a Trump fan too

No way! Did not see that coming.

A 'grab 'em by the pussy' kinda guy then.

 

[BigPond101]

You said peaceful left, not far left. And why post that in a thread about a girl who was r*ped? Don't be one of those fools who Pesterz everybody, making everything political.

Also she wasn't r*ped, no sexual intercourse took place that night

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Also she wasn't r*ped, no sexual intercourse took place that night

There's only two people that know what really happened. Why should we believe you are one of them?

 

[jason_recliner]

..., no sexual intercourse took place that night

Righto.

 

[BonzaRam]

It’s a workplace. And our Federal Parliament Ffs.

How about our parliamentary representatives accept the evidence of the accepted culture of sexual assault in the places where our laws are made, implement and enforce workplace laws that both encourage and support victims to come forward to report assaults and punish offenders.

We could use that as a model for all workplaces across Australia with workplace laws and properly trained HR staff and police forces to isolate and imprison repeat offenders.

Or we could keep pretending sexual assaults don’t happen in the workplace, continue to lecture young girls on how they should behave , and continue to attack alleged victims for daring to speak out.

So you are saying by eradicating sexual assaults in PH it will filter out and eradicate it everywhere? Do you think those that may have assaulted others in PH haven't assaulted others elsewhere?

"Or we could keep pretending sexual assaults don’t happen in the workplace, continue to lecture young girls on how they should behave , and continue to attack alleged victims for daring to speak out." Who is the "we" in this statement? and there is a difference between lecturing and educating, and we educate both girls and boys.

Do you think it better to throw caution to the wind and risk being assaulted or learning how to minimize the risk?

 

[mcnulty]

Knowing that, little wonder that the bravest of them choose to go to the media rather than the Police for justice against their perpetrator - even though it will make them a target for derision and attack.

It might be little wonder (though even that’s a stretch) but it’s thoroughly inadvisable.

 

[Rodney Dangerfield]

Honestly why would you report a rape when you get this treatment, personally I would prefer getting my own justil

'Educate young girls' FMD.

One of the outcomes of Ms Higgins going public with her allegations is that it led to then Prime Minister Scott Morrison establishing the Independent Inquiry into Parliamentary Workplaces - the Jenkins Report that documented an accepted culture of bullying, harassment and assault.

Jenkins most staggering finding was that 'one in three parliamentary staffers say they have experienced sexual harassment' and some "individuals responsible for misconduct are an 'open secret' that 'everyone knows' about, but nobody does anything to address".

ONE in Three. Think about that. This is Parliament House we are talking about.

Ask yourself if you would be happy for your daughters (or sons) to work in a place like that?

But yeah - the lesson learned is to educate the young victims and potential victims of sexual assault to be better.

* off.

If you’ve got daughters, educate them.
You shouldn’t have to but that’s the shit world we live in.
And maybe read my post you’re pretty much agreeing with what I said.

 

[HK_Hawk]

It’s depressing to read some of the perspectives in here… that said, enlightening too. There are a lot of old boys threatened and fearful, and rightly so. Whatever happened, I hope everyone on here (regardless of personal perspective) is questioning and learning from their attitudes, beliefs and assumptions on the topic. I consider myself “liberal-minded”, but I’m still dealing with some confronting ideas that have me readjusting some things.

 

[Punt rd end]

There are gender equality programs in place now and also in the making. By educate i do hope you don't mean just leave to schools to do... regardless sexual assaults are not going magically stop one day so parents should be talking to their children about the darker sides of society just so they can be more prepared to avoid or act if they find themselves in the firing line.

Personally i would suggest girls learn some form of basic self defense as well as learn not to allow anyone to pressure them into drinking for sake of drinking, and when they find themselves being pressured to call it out, there are other women and men around that will support them.

It needs to be taught before they start dating and partying etc.

I agree on the self defence part it’s the only reason I m not a victim x at least 4 times, education should start at home when young but there are bad people out there and education won’t work on them

FYI all but 1 of the incidences were men I mistakenly trusted

 

[Rodney Dangerfield]

Maybe we could educate the boys not to rape then it wouldn't matter if the girls had a drink

That’s very true PRE, but sadly it’s not the reality yet particularly in the workplace space.
They are being educated but nowhere enough,but the young girls are not, they are often oblivious to the fact that they are being led down the garden path by this rhetoric of “going out with people from work” particularly early on in their careers.
The reality is there are a lot of opportunistic campaigners out there and I work with a lot of these girls in the aftermath and it’s shit.
But I’ll stop now because I’m just a campaigner apparently.
Enjoy.

 

[Rodney Dangerfield]

But reckon a large number of people who have viewed the streaming of this trial would be shocked to see an alleged victim of rape enduring over a week of hostile questioning while the person who brought the action was in the dock for less than a third of that time.

Right here is exactly what happens.
I get what you’re saying but the horrible reality is I’ve seen this happen to a lot of women so not shocked because it’s exactly what happens every single time.

And whilst people can have a crack at me and take it the wrong way that’s ok but it nearly always involves the female being intoxicated and encouraged to do so.
The education part is not having a go at them or blaming them it’s simply creating an awareness of what a lot of campaigners do to them early on in their careers.
And they rarely get the outcome they should. This one is unfortunately multiplied by all the media crap.
But the main reason they don’t get the right outcome is nearly always alcohol or drugs clouding their take on it and lack of witnesses not just on the day of the alleged offence but in the lead up.