Updated Bruce Lehrmann Pt2 * Reynolds Defamation Trial Current

[Kurve]

Here is PART 1

Historical Rape Allegation Against Fmr AG Christian Porter
The Alexander Matters matters

Just a reminder, this is the crime board and we need to be aware that there will be victims of crime either watching this thread or engaging in here from time to time. A degree of respect in all discussions is expected.

LINK TO TIMELINE
CJS INQUIRY
FINAL REPORT – BOARD OF INQUIRY – CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM
Joint media statement – Chief Minister and Attorney-General



FIONA BROWN - AFFIDAVIT

 

[CD Xbow]

Nope.

He should have stopped at Rule #1 of living a respectful life.

Don't commit sexual assault.

That's covered by rule # 2 Treat everyone with decency and respect.

 

[FIGJAM]

That's covered by rule # 2 Treat everyone with decency and respect.

I think you’re you both referencing ‘The Golden Rule’, which is related to the Eastern concept of karma and is best summed up by the Biblical quote "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you; lest ye causeth an omnishambles.".

 

[CD Xbow]

I think you’re you both referencing ‘The Golden Rule’, which is related to the Eastern concept of karma and is best summed up by the Biblical quote "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you; lest ye causeth an omnishambles.".

Yes, many idea's about what is wise recur through human history and I am happy to borrow from them. My favorite is when footy coaches say 'concentrate on what you can control'. This is a tenet of modern cognitive behavioural therapy, appears in Buddhism and can be traced back to classical times with the stoics. Humans don't change much.

 

[HirdsTheWord]

Agree, rule #7 of a happy life is to quit while you're ahead. Bruce, the rapist, did not.

I certainly agree the guys a bit thick.

 

[GrayRanga]

I certainly agree the guys a bit thick.

Bit thick?

I love your understatement.

And he was a political staffer to a Government Minister?

Merit based employment?

 

[FIGJAM]

There's been a bit of a lull in the 'shambles, but Nine and Murdoch have chipped in some warm-up articles in the lead-in to the August trial:

West Australian senator Linda Reynolds has accused Brittany Higgins of trying to damage the former Coalition minister’s political career by feeding false information to senior Labor figures, in legal claims prompting a spokesperson for the former staffer to say she has been “steadfast in her truth”.

The former defence industry minister is suing Higgins for defamation over July 2023 social media posts, having recently updated her claim to allege Higgins and her now-husband, David Sharaz, had engaged in “conspiracy” that fed parliamentary questioning so “aggressive” it led to Reynolds’ hospitalisation.

Higgins ‘steadfast in truth’ after Reynolds alleges plan

The former defence industry minister is suing Brittany Higgins for defamation over July 2023 social media posts.

www.theage.com.au

"Tortious conspiracy" is now added to my vocabulary:

But The Australian understands in an amended statement of claim, filed on June 27, Senator Reynolds has added a pleading of “tortious conspiracy” that could go to a claim for aggravated damages against the former staffer.

To prove tortious conspiracy, Senator Reynolds’s legal team must show Ms Higgins conspired – through lawful means – with one or more people to injure her.

In the statement of claim, Senator Reynolds claims Anthony Albanese’s closest confidantes, Katy Gallagher and Penny Wong, were drip-fed false information by Ms Higgins and Mr Sharaz as part of a larger plan to destroy her career and the Morrison government. Part of that plan, Senator Reynolds alleges, included “aggressive questions” asked by Senator Gallagher and Senator Wong in question time in early 2021 that were centred on that false information.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/inside-linda-reynolds-unusual-new-claim-against-brittany-higgins/news-story/7313e0b983cf176761301d21c287ab3e

 

[Kurve]

There's been a bit of a lull in the 'shambles, but Nine and Murdoch have chipped in some warm-up articles in the lead-in to the August trial:

Higgins ‘steadfast in truth’ after Reynolds alleges plan

The former defence industry minister is suing Brittany Higgins for defamation over July 2023 social media posts.

www.theage.com.au

"Tortious conspiracy" is now added to my vocabulary:

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/inside-linda-reynolds-unusual-new-claim-against-brittany-higgins/news-story/7313e0b983cf176761301d21c287ab3e

Oh look MPMonkeys

Reynolds has actually claimed a tortious conspiracy! How absurd.

 

[BFew]

"Tortious conspiracy" is now added to my vocabulary:

I can confirm that this legal phrase has never been seen on BF public threads before (unless it was deleted or so long ago that the BF search does not pick it up).

 

[Lady O]

I can confirm that this legal phrase has never been seen on BF public threads before (unless it was deleted or so long ago that the BF search does not pick it up).

Looked it up.

 

[FIGJAM]

I can confirm that this legal phrase has never been seen on BF public threads before (unless it was deleted or so long ago that the BF search does not pick it up).

The word tortious has been used on BigFooty and as a encouraging sign for humanity, mostly used correctly.

Of course there are some predictive text issues with regards to misspellings of 'tortoise' and 'tortuous'. An example would be "Watching Collingwood's midfield in 2004 was like watching a tortious and quite tortious.".

 

[Lady O]

The word tortious has been used on BigFooty and as a encouraging sign for humanity, mostly used correctly.

Of course there are some predictive text issues with regards to misspellings of 'tortoise' and 'tortuous'. An example would be "Watching Collingwood's midfield in 2004 was like watching a tortious and quite tortious.".

 

[Kurve]

There's been a bit of a lull in the 'shambles, but Nine and Murdoch have chipped in some warm-up articles in the lead-in to the August trial:

Higgins ‘steadfast in truth’ after Reynolds alleges plan

The former defence industry minister is suing Brittany Higgins for defamation over July 2023 social media posts.

www.theage.com.au

"Tortious conspiracy" is now added to my vocabulary:

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/inside-linda-reynolds-unusual-new-claim-against-brittany-higgins/news-story/7313e0b983cf176761301d21c287ab3e

Wasn't this already sorted out between Reynolds, Gallagher and Wong in Senate estimates?

West Australian senator Linda Reynolds has accused Brittany Higgins of trying to damage the former Coalition minister’s political career by feeding false information to senior Labor figures, in legal claims prompting a spokesperson for the former staffer to say she has been “steadfast in her truth”.

In the statement of claim, Senator Reynolds claims Anthony Albanese’s closest confidantes, Katy Gallagher and Penny Wong, were drip-fed false information by Ms Higgins and Mr Sharaz as part of a larger plan to destroy her career and the Morrison government. Part of that plan, Senator Reynolds alleges, included “aggressive questions” asked by Senator Gallagher and Senator Wong in question time in early 2021 that were centred on that false information.

 

[Lady O]

Wasn't this already sorted out between Reynolds, Gallagher and Wong in Senate estimates?

West Australian senator Linda Reynolds has accused Brittany Higgins of trying to damage the former Coalition minister’s political career by feeding false information to senior Labor figures, in legal claims prompting a spokesperson for the former staffer to say she has been “steadfast in her truth”.

In the statement of claim, Senator Reynolds claims Anthony Albanese’s closest confidantes, Katy Gallagher and Penny Wong, were drip-fed false information by Ms Higgins and Mr Sharaz as part of a larger plan to destroy her career and the Morrison government. Part of that plan, Senator Reynolds alleges, included “aggressive questions” asked by Senator Gallagher and Senator Wong in question time in early 2021 that were centred on that false information.

Justice Lee found otherwise.

 

[FIGJAM]

Justice Lee found otherwise.

Wasn’t there a ‘Greta’ Gallagher “How dare you?!” moment, before it was later found out that she misled Parlianent?

 

[Lady O]

Wasn’t there a ‘Greta’ Gallagher “How dare you?!” moment, before it was later found out that she misled Parlianent?

I think this is to do with Higgins et al and not The Mean Girls.

 

[Kurve]

Justice Lee found otherwise.

He did? Do you have a link or anything for that? I must have missed it.

 

[Lady O]

He did? Do you have a link or anything for that? I must have missed it.

"Justice Lee also found claims of a political cover-up involving Senator Reynolds and others were not true, a finding Senator Reynolds said vindicated her." https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/huge-update-in-higgins-defamation-case/ar-BB1oUy9e

"But Justice Lee debunked allegations of a cover-up by members of the then-government, criticising Ms Higgins and her partner David Sharaz for having "crafted a narrative" and accusing others — including federal ministers — of "putting up roadblocks" and making her choose between her career and justice. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-04...ts-to-lehrmann-defamation-judgement/103733876

"Senator Reynolds said she was "disappointed" about Tuesday's outcome, although she said "all parties" needed to acknowledge the rulings of Justice Michael Lee, who found in his judgement against Mr Lehrmann there had been no political cover-up of Ms Higgins' rape claim." https://www.skynews.com.au/australi...n/news-story/9417bb5114260f62c9731f6a101466f8

 

[Kurve]

"Justice Lee also found claims of a political cover-up involving Senator Reynolds and others were not true, a finding Senator Reynolds said vindicated her." https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/australia/huge-update-in-higgins-defamation-case/ar-BB1oUy9e

"But Justice Lee debunked allegations of a cover-up by members of the then-government, criticising Ms Higgins and her partner David Sharaz for having "crafted a narrative" and accusing others — including federal ministers — of "putting up roadblocks" and making her choose between her career and justice. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-04...ts-to-lehrmann-defamation-judgement/103733876

"Senator Reynolds said she was "disappointed" about Tuesday's outcome, although she said "all parties" needed to acknowledge the rulings of Justice Michael Lee, who found in his judgement against Mr Lehrmann there had been no political cover-up of Ms Higgins' rape claim." https://www.skynews.com.au/australi...n/news-story/9417bb5114260f62c9731f6a101466f8

But what does this have to do with a tortious conspiracy?

 

[Lady O]

But what does this have to do with a tortious conspiracy?

#865

 

[Kurve]

Justice Lee found otherwise.

#865

But where did Justice Lee state he found Higgins and Sharaz were drip feeding information to Gallagher and Wong with the aim of destroying her career?

 

[Festerz]

But where did Justice Lee state he found Higgins and Sharaz were drip feeding information to Gallagher and Wong with the aim of destroying her career?

He didn’t of course. Because it was not within his remit to judge in the defamation case brought by Lehrmann. And neither Sharaz, nor Reynolds, nor Wong, nor anyone else who could give evidence to assess such a claim were called as witnesses. It is a new allegation that has never been tested.

At the risk of sounding like a broken record, the way in which certain posters keep referencing and quoting the judgement and opinions of Lee as established fact and on matters way outside their original trial context continues to amuse.

 

[Kurve]

He didn’t of course. Because it was not within his remit to judge in the defamation case brought by Lehrmann. And neither Sharaz, nor Renolds, nor anyone else who could give evidence to assess such a claim were called as witnesses.

At the risk of sounding like a broken record, the way in which certain posters keep referencing and quoting the judgement and opinions of Lee as established fact and on matters way outside their original trial context continues to amuse.

So Reynolds wants to see Wong and Gallagher dragged in to court.

 

[Festerz]

So Reynolds wants to see Wong and Gallagher dragged in to court.

As I understand it the allegation is that Sharaz and Higgins conspired to provide false information to Wong and Gallagher with the intent of damaging Reynolds career.

Proving this allegation will require evidence from all parties named that confirms not just the content, accuracy and timing of the transfer of any information between the named parties but proof that the information was knowingly false and provided for the reasons alleged.

(Note. As I understand it, Reynolds is alleging conduct with malicious intent levelled at Sharaz and Higgins, not an allegation of Wong and Gallagher being a party to that conduct or intent. As such, there is no need to prove that Wong and Gallagher had any knowledge of the conspiratorial intentions of Sharaz and Higgins in receiving the false information nor that they knew the information was false. )

 

[Kurve]

As I understand it the allegation is that Sharaz and Higgins conspired to provide false information to Wong and Gallagher with the intent of damaging Reynolds career.

Proving this allegation will require evidence from all parties named that confirms not just the content, accuracy and timing of the transfer of any information between the named parties but proof that the information was knowingly false and provided for the reasons alleged.

This is what I'd thought was dealt with and squared away in Senate estimates with there being no proof Wong and Gallagher were being drip fed information.

 

[FIGJAM]

At the risk of sounding like a broken record, the way in which certain posters keep referencing and quoting the judgement and opinions of Lee as established fact and on matters way outside their original trial context continues to amuse.

You sound like a broken record because you don't like any mention of anything other than the 'probability of rape' finding from Lee's verdict.

As Lee said: "Of course, with the predictability of an atomic clock, partisans have focused solely on those parts of the judgment that happen to align with preconceived notions.". This statement was directed at Wilkinson and Quill doing a victory lap after the trial, when they had in fact been humiliated.

As Lee also said: "The result is best characterised as the respondents overcoming a misconceived claim in relation to a broadcast because they were able to prove at trial the substantial truth (rape) of what the contemporaneous material demonstrates they considered to be the less substantial allegation (political conspiracy) made in the broadcast."

If you want to pin your hat on "Mr Lehrmann r*ped Ms Higgins." statement as a fact (or 'near fact' on the balance of probability), then it's fair to state that all of Justice Lee's painstakingly derived findings on the other matters, with particular regard to the post-Sharaz unreliability of Higgins, the crafting of a narrative and the obvious intent to politically weaponise said false narrative, need equal respect with the rape finding.