Buckley, HIrd, Voss

[doppleganger]

Did mention in the Essendon thread that Essendon might need to do the same as Collingwood.

What premiership players can Essendon make hard calls on?

Essendon have topped up with old blokes, whilst Collingwood were trading ours out for gun picks.

 

[BOMBERS 4 LIFE!!!!]

He's done a lot wrong too, you know what I'm talking about.

Has apologized a few times for the sup saga.

 

[BOMBERS 4 LIFE!!!!]

What premiership players can Essendon make hard calls on?

Essendon have topped up with old blokes, whilst Collingwood were trading ours out for gun picks.

I mean as in battlers and older players.

 

[iBeng]

wayne Carey would be terrible, you'd be forever watching your back.

Your wife*

 

[robertg22]

The best coaches are those in the Tom Hafey mould.

Not necessarily champions, but, solid and dependable citizens.

4 time premiership winning Leigh Matthews would disagree with this. Paul Roos is a good coach and was a champion footballer. It can go both ways.

 

[doppleganger]

I mean as in battlers and older players.

Problem being your old players are your guns - Watson, Goddard, Stanton - or a club legend like Dustin.

It has been more than 10 years since Essendon last won a final, and cant see that changing in the near future...Hird and his supplement saga derailed any chance a guy like Watson had at success.

 

[Howard Littlejohn]

Well the success rate has been high so can understand why clubs go after gun players for coaches.

Has it really been that high? Quite a few others have been flops.
Some guys are just so skilled they don't seem to have to learn the hard way like others do. My guess is it is usually those who really to work at it who become the better coaches. Some of those, eg Mathews, also become gun players. Others become good players but not guns (eg Malthouse, Roos). Having had a run as assistant and in the lead job in a state league would also be preferable before taking on AFL head coaching role. Unfortunately state league senior coaches tend not be regarded as "in the system", so get overlooked in place people who have only been AFL assistants.

 

[BOMBERS 4 LIFE!!!!]

Problem being your old players are your guns - Watson, Goddard, Stanton - or a club legend like Dustin.

It has been more than 10 years since Essendon last won a final, and cant see that changing in the near future...Hird and his supplement saga derailed any chance a guy like Watson had at success.

I think the whole team tbh.

 

[Tiger2709]

Been there half as long as Hardwick. Won more finals than Hardwick. We have a coach we want to keep!

Started with a GF side so a little different than what Dimma had to work with in his first couple of years dont you think?

 

[PieNSauce]

I suspect a lot of Pies supporters have bookmarked this thread and diarised it for a bump some time in the next 18 or so months. Some people are seriously going to be eating crow I reckon. #SackBucks

 

[boncer34]

I think the whole team tbh.

And if we beat Geelong no doubt you'll have us winning the flag.

 

[Play by Numbers]

The three best players of our generation, why cant any of them coach?

Voss sacked for poor performance
Buckley inherited a young premiership and sent them backwards on the ladder every year
Hird, enough said

Is it their ego's, or a lack of empathy for battling footballers.

What is the reason why these champion players are just good ordinary battling coaches?

Since when?

Ablett jr and Carey better. Argument to be made for Judd and possibly Franklin.

 

[STFU Donnie]

Reckon Hird can coach, Took over a terrible Essendon 7-1-14 80.35% 14th/16 and took them into the 8 in his first season.

14-8 record in 2013, say what you want about them being dropped from the 8, nothings been proved that they cheated.

Overall record 40-1-33.

They have dropped back this year though but overall I think he's been a decent coach.

I think we're seeing the real Hird coaching in 2015. No Thompson in the coaches box.

 

[MagpieJo]

Has apologized a few times for the sup saga.

You forgive to easily then. Should accept nothing less than a resignation.

 

[MagpieJo]

I actually rate Bucks as a coach, he has cleaned out alot of players that weren't ever going to lead them to another flag and they supposedly weren't towing the line. A lot of young kids to work with and I reckon he has fast tracked their rebuild (that they needed to have IMO) without them falling down the ladder too far. Their list still is a way off and needs a lot of work, but they're on the right track.

On a sidenote, I love how he talks in the media, most coaches talk a lot of BS and make excuses, he generally doesn't do this (the Cloke stuff being an exception). He is also one of those coaches that when he talks about a certain issue, I listen and find myself agreeing with him. The total opposite to someone like Chris Scott.

Thank god for that too, I love Eddie, but 1 top guy with FIM disease is enough!

 

[Zeke]

I'd wager they'd all end up successful coaches if given time.

Bucks is as astute a football mind as you will find. Voss made some terrible calls early, but knows the game. Hird is just a sociopath, but that doesn't preclude him from coaching ability.

 

[DAWESOME!!]

Awesome thread.

 

[TW Sherrin]

Bucks over 60% win loss.

Yep terrible. Lol.

 

[UpTheGuts]

Buckley clearly the better coach. Speaks so well, too.

Hird has no plan B. Very average coach

 

[TW Sherrin]

current coaches

Coach Games Wins Losses Draws Win %
1 Chris Scott 106 77 29 0 72.6%
2 John Longmire 108 74 32 2 68.5%
3 Ross Lyon 203 134 64 5 66.0%
4 Alastair Clarkson 242 149 92 1 61.6%
5 Nathan Buckley 79 48 31 0 60.8%
6 Adam Simpson 31 18 13 0 58.1%
7 Ken Hinkley 58 33 25 0 56.9%
8 Phillip Walsh 9 5 4 0 55.6%
9 Luke Beveridge 9 5 4 0 55.6%
10 James Hird 75 40 34 1 53.3%
11 Brad Scott 123 65 58 0 52.8%
12 Paul Roos 233 123 108 2 52.8%
13 Rodney Eade 326 172 150 4 52.8%
14 Damien Hardwick 121 56 63 2 46.3%
15 Leon Cameron 31 12 19 0 38.7%
16 Justin Leppitsch 31 9 22 0 29.0%
17 Alan Richardson 31 7 24 0 22.6%
18 John Barker 1 0 1 0 0.0%



Coach Games Wins Losses Draws Win %
Mick Malthouse 649 367 275 7 56.50%
Michael Voss 109 43 65 1 39.4%

 

[mysainters]

I reckon Buckley can coach.

Anyone that thinks that Malthouse would of won the 2011 flag is delusional IMHO

 

[Wooljay]

I reckon Buckley can coach.

Anyone that thinks that Malthouse would of won the 2012 flag is delusional IMHO

If he couldn't win it in 2011 with probably the best Collingwood team in 20 years - he was never going to win us another flag.

 

[mysainters]

If he couldn't win it in 2011 with probably the best Collingwood team in 20 years - he was never going to win us another flag.

Sorry meant 2011.

Pies had a premiership hangover IMHO, big time, unpopular opinion but reckon Mick over indulged his boys and was always going to pay the price the following year.

Collingwood needed someone to come in and refocus players.

 

[Wooljay]

Sorry meant 2011.

Pies had a premiership hangover IMHO, big time, unpopular opinion but reckon Mick over indulged his boys and was always going to pay the price the following year.

Collingwood needed someone to come in and refocus players.

Yep that's a totally fair assessment, absolutely agree.

 

[outabounds]

Buckley >>> Voss>>>>> Hird

Unless Buckley wins a Premiership he will be seen as a failure at the end of the day. I cant see that happenning in the next 5 years with great young teams such as GWS, Bulldogs and Port Adelaide ahead of them in my estimations in flags in the next 5 years and that does not even take into account Hawthorn, Freo and Sydney.
After that 5 years is over Pendles, Cloke and Swan will be gone and the premiership window may be closed.