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When it comes to sexual harassment one accusation is enough. Do you only take it serious if there’s 4 or 5 or 6 accusations? Secondly why was it withdrawn?

Yeah, nah. I base my thoughts on evidence, thorough investigations and consistency.

To allow the public assassination of someone and their entire livelihoods and disregard their entire life history based on the word of a single individual - and then also assume the worst scenario - is a recipe for disaster and potential ammunition by a lot of people with ulterior motives - which there has been proven to be. This goes for both men, and women.

And why was it withdrawn? Who knows. But when people usually bring up accusations like that, you expect the matter to be transferred to the police so that it can be thoroughly investigated and evidence and people can be cross-examined, as to which case it wasn't.

However that is a topic for another thread. Fact of the matter is - your chaos way of thinking is not the norm and I am quite happy it isn't - not just because it could potentially devaluate the integrity of true events that make it to an investigation - but also because any one of us can be privy to such life-destroying chaos regardless of gender or race.
 
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First of all, that was an accusation by one individual. And said accusation was withdrawn.

And to be honest, how long as Lyon been in the system for? And one person comes forward with an accusation and we do not take into consideration a person's vast track record?

If we ran the world exclusively on accusations and assumed the worst for all of them, then this world would have been thrown in chaos a long time ago.
When was it withdrawn? Freo reportedly paid her out $100,000.

 
Yeah, nah. I base my thoughts on evidence, thorough investigations and consistency.

To allow the public assassination of someone and their entire livelihoods and disregard their entire life history based on the word of a single individual - and then also assume the worst scenario - is a recipe for disaster and potential ammunition by a lot of people with ulterior motives - which there has been proven to be. This goes for both men, and women.

And why was it withdrawn? Who knows. But when people usually bring up accusations like that, you expect the matter to be transferred to the police so that it can be thoroughly investigated and evidence and people can be cross-examined, as to which case it wasn't. It was withdrawn entirely - for one to speculate it as being someone who did not want to be thoroughly examined, or someone who maybe lied but didn't want to be subjected to a criminal charge of lying under oath, those would all be speculations - and as such - accusations therein.

However that is a topic for another thread. Fact of the matter is - your chaos way of thinking is not the norm and I am quite happy it isn't - as any one of us can be privy to such life-destroying chaos regardless of gender or race.
100k is a lot of money. People make mistakes I’ll fully agree with that but you do not put someone in charge of an organisation after that type of issue.


Sorry to break it to you but it’s not chaos thinking it’s how society works. All the push about Lyon just wreaks of boys club bs. But I’ll agree that’s it’s getting off topic so will just leave it there. We can agree to disagree. Cheers have a good day 👍
 
With Buckley people will believe what they want to believe. Probably more realistic to split his coaching career into different periods.

At the start when he was green he imposed his own high standards too strictly, and cut a lot of talented guys who still wanted to let their hair down. With hindsight, Buckley prob would admit he should have handled that differently, and been more accommodating to a range of personalities, and he might have been able to squeeze out a flag.

in the middle period, he turned into a very good coach. Learnt from Malthouse how to get his boys up for big games like few others could - if you watch how ‘on’ his players were in their prelim against Richmond in 18, or against WC in Perth last year, you cannot tell me this guy can’t coach. He overachieved in those years with a list with some big deficiencies and smart recruiting to fill gaps. He was also very smart tactically - it was always very impressive watching the pies live those years, in terms of how they set up. From memory he was the only coach other than Hardwick win a final 4 years in a row around this time.

the Treloar and Stephenson debacle and on field this year was a sad end. The list management stuff was absolutely not a problem of his making, it was the the failure of other people at the club. But,As a team man, Bucks put his hand up to try to do his bit to help, which involved pushing those two out the door. Unfortunate all round.

also unfortunate was the Heretier stuff. I am extremely sympathetic to Adam Goodes and believe he was a victim of racism. In Heretier’s case I am convinced that he has a histrionic personality disorder, which left Bucks in a hard spot, trying to deal seriously with the question of racism at his club, but doing so by having to respond to a professional victim.

Overall I think he became an excellent coach, although in his first years he undoubtedly underachieved and had to learn to modify his approach, which he did
 
If he’s smart he should just walk. Make the announcement now and state he’ll see out the year to orchestrate a smooth handover. He’ll enjoy a massive credibility boost. Then take a year off, take the new missus to Noosa for a while, with a bit of side work in the Ch 7 commentary box which he’ll get paid well for. A bit of good press from coaching the boys auskick teams.

In 12 months time another club will come calling if he wants to get back into it, and more than likely they’ll be closer to a flag than the pies.

Well he is smart.
 
Pendles will certainly relinquish Captaincy to Darcy Moore now.
Agree. The club imo needs to move on from the McGuire era in a better way than how Carlton moved on from the Elliot era & Richmond moving on from the Graeme Richmond era. Full clean out. New start , new coach, new captain. It’s 2021 not 1986. The game has changed dramatically from the head honcho walking the corridors barking orders. The Richmond football club is a very good example of this.
 

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Just from a timing standpoint, could this not have waited a week so that it didn't take the focus off of the Big Freeze?
Now, this week is going to be about Nathan rather than Neale.
 
Good time to go for the club’s sake you’d think. At least his tenure won’t be a distraction for the board challenge.

He’s too good not to be in footy circles. Wouldn’t surprise me if he ended as a senior assistant or senior coach again.
 
Just from a timing standpoint, could this not have waited a week so that it didn't take the focus off of the Big Freeze?
Now, this week is going to be about Nathan rather than Neale.
Wont be a distraction, if anythings adds. Right time to resign, had a nice win last weekend. Wait another week and have a big loss to the Dees - would look very much like he was pushed.
He has come to the realisation that the climb back to the top for the Pies will take 4 years minimum and he just doesn't have that desire to put up with all the shit that he'll have to cop along the way.
 
Go look at the scores/margins St Kilda put up over 08-10 and you will see the "Ross Lyon = Ultra defensive" theory is patently false. Same with Freos peak.

When he had the players his style lead to some pretty great wins.

For whatever reason the players just couldn't execute in Grand Finals.

If the Pies (or Blues) buy in to what he is selling then they could get a few pretty good years out of both lists. Carlton in a better position to strike.

Not a long term sustainable style though so give him 6 years - 2 to train it, 2 to build on it, 2 to launch for a flag - Then move on.

And really, the players did execute in grand finals, bar some bad goalkicking in 2013.
But 2009 the result was 50-50 in the H&A & GF (Saints with a 6 point win in reg, Cats with a 6 point lead at the final siren in the GF), and 2010 the Pies and Saints both had 1 good win each in the H&A season.
2013 the Dockers were up against it, goalkicking hurt but they kicked poor in all finals that year.
Lyons style stood up well enough, he just ran into 3 of the greatest offensive teams that also had good defensive play, while going all-in whilst there which meant the bottoming out period was tougher.
 
He had a price on his head since the day he took over. This is pressure driven, not win loss. If you're going to choose to ignore that and be dopey then that's your problem. This year's win loss record is nothing but another BS excuse like there are excuses for every other issue in the game. He's copped it for years.

The problem is society, including 99% of this forum have this superiority complex where they need to disagree with absolutely everything in the world.

Disagree.


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