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DOCKER CLINT said:
Note to self: the boy knows too much. ;)
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haha. i realise my post sounded pretty naive; obviously i know bodybuilders talk up the products of their sponsors for money. but just like protein shakes that they endorse, they obviously work to a certain extent. i was just wondering, because on a lot of websites N.O. Explode has been voted the best BB supplement, whether it really is that great or just overhyped.
 
Mario the Lothario said:
I have been lifting weights for over 20 years and during that time I have taken my body weight from 78 kgs to over 120 kgs. I am presently sitting at 112 kgs
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only gained 30 or forty kilos in 20 years? amateur.


So I instructed him that in relation to his workout he is best served by taking his protein supplement immediately after his workout and that a water based supplement aids rapid absorption.

Unless you can provide detailed information to discount my claims I suggest you shut up and take your immature dick sizing comments elsewhere. There are people here that are actually looking for help.
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and i was saying that clearly u need protein b4 ur workout just as much. dont have ne all day b4 u work out. wots ur body using for energy bro? i no wot ur sayin but u need it just as much b4 as after.

That is complete rubbish
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no its not. thats what creatine does to ur muscle cells.

The name of this thread is "bulking up" you idiot and Creatine will definately make a person add bulk. Shut up and stop embarrassing yourself.
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it will make u look fuller from increased water retention. it will increase ur energy levels while workin out. pretty much only for ur first few movements tho. creatine leaves the energy reserves very quickly. so at most it will help u lift bigger weights which do help build muscle but its barely worth talking bout. it helps a tiny bit. now run along.
 
whomb said:
haha. i realise my post sounded pretty naive; obviously i know bodybuilders talk up the products of their sponsors for money. but just like protein shakes that they endorse, they obviously work to a certain extent. i was just wondering, because on a lot of websites N.O. Explode has been voted the best BB supplement, whether it really is that great or just overhyped.
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yeah i am cautious in endorsing bb supplements, but as said earlier, N.O. explode is the only one apart from protein shakes that had a noticable impact on my workouts. don't know how, it just made me feel different in mentality when attacking the weights. don't know if it was placebo/motivation/increased energy, but i seemed to be able to lift heavier for more reps and confidence went right up. seemed to have a bit of a low after the workouts though... strange
 

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alright, i'll try get this thread back on track..
do people on here work in cycles? 'i.e. 'bulk' for a few months, accepting that the increase of body fat will come with added muscle.. and then for a few weeks-months 'cut', decreasing their calories/carbs while increasing cardio?
or do you prefer to continuously do weights with/without cardio and hope to maintain lean mass?
OR do you prefer to just try add as much mass as you can, not caring about any additonal fat that comes?
 
whomb said:
alright, i'll try get this thread back on track..
do people on here work in cycles? 'i.e. 'bulk' for a few months, accepting that the increase of body fat will come with added muscle.. and then for a few weeks-months 'cut', decreasing their calories/carbs while increasing cardio?
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That is pretty much about it.

whomb said:
or do you prefer to continuously do weights with/without cardio and hope to maintain lean mass?
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I think this would be dependent upon an individuals metabolic rate. What a lot of people must keep in mind is that most of the stuff on the internet chat forums referring to "cycling" is closely related to associated steroid use. If you're not using steroids then too much cardio can be detrimental to maintaining muscle bulk.

whomb said:
OR do you prefer to just try add as much mass as you can, not caring about any additonal fat that comes?
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Extra mass = extra muscle = less body fat. If you are happy with your muscle mass, but unhappy with your body fat ratio, then simply tweaking your diet whilst maintaining your work regime will get you the results you want.
 
.Shotties. said:
I try and lift as heavy as I can and run as far / fast (depending on what i'm doing) as I can and I'm going okay. It balances out,I'll never be massive, but I'm not in too shabby nick. Some people put too much thought into basic exercise.
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The running and weight program you favor is contradictory in regards to bulking up, but I'd wager that your core fitness is pretty good.
 
whomb said:
alright, i'll try get this thread back on track..
do people on here work in cycles? 'i.e. 'bulk' for a few months, accepting that the increase of body fat will come with added muscle.. and then for a few weeks-months 'cut', decreasing their calories/carbs while increasing cardio?
or do you prefer to continuously do weights with/without cardio and hope to maintain lean mass?
OR do you prefer to just try add as much mass as you can, not caring about any additonal fat that comes?
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I used to do the "bulk up" then "cut" but realised I was just being lazy with nutrition. Allowing yourself to gain too much body fat is just an excuse to eat badly and it's unhealthy

It's possible to stay reasonably lean and gain muscle mass if you do it correctly.
 
DOCKER CLINT said:
I used to do the "bulk up" then "cut" but realised I was just being lazy with nutrition. Allowing yourself to gain too much body fat is just an excuse to eat badly and it's unhealthy

It's possible to stay reasonably lean and gain muscle mass if you do it correctly.
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i agree. some people go too far with their bulking. putting on some fat with muscle is ok but some people do it excessively. however i probably gain 3-5% of bodyfat in my bulking.
 
*bump*

On a non-thread-related topic, as mentioned in the OP briefly I go running every second night (recently got it up to 8-10km). Because of exams. I didn't go for 8 days or so, so today I started again. Today I managed 4-5km but I couldn't really manage more so ran in bursts after that - just felt mentally out of it and not up to it physically either :thumbsdown:. Is it natural that after a bit of a lay off, and with something such as an exam taking up your thoughts and giving you a bit of a mental strain, that this happens? Also to add to it I'd left my runners at my mates place so had to use my old shitty ones.
 
I am also looking to gain muscle mass and weight. I am currently about 64-65kg and 172 cm in height would love to add a nice 5-6 kg over the pre season for footy. I find Creatine works really well with adding weight but gives you kidney stones later on in life. Also it simply just give you water retention and is almsot like a fake supplement which increases the size of you. Protein doesnt need to be taken before you lift weights but a person wanting to gain muscle size should take 1.5g per kg every day to become big. Is only meant to be 15% of your diet and about 50-60 grams is for the average person. Protein reapirs the muscles and produces muscle growth, thus it should be taken during and after gym session. But should be about 25% of your daily diet.

Tuna
Eggs
any meat
Nuts
protein powders are all good for gaining muscle size.

What particular brands do people recommend for muscle growth??
 
Dunn - Well Done said:
I am also looking to gain muscle mass and weight. I am currently about 64-65kg and 172 cm in height would love to add a nice 5-6 kg over the pre season for footy. I find Creatine works really well with adding weight but gives you kidney stones later on in life. Also it simply just give you water retention and is almsot like a fake supplement which increases the size of you. Protein doesnt need to be taken before you lift weights but a person wanting to gain muscle size should take 1.5g per kg every day to become big. Is only meant to be 15% of your diet and about 50-60 grams is for the average person. Protein reapirs the muscles and produces muscle growth, thus it should be taken during and after gym session. But should be about 25% of your daily diet.

Tuna
Eggs
any meat
Nuts
protein powders are all good for gaining muscle size.

What particular brands do people recommend for muscle growth??
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Not sure about eating 'any meats' beacuse a lot of them are high in saturated fat and that's not good for you, health wise. They are chock full of protein though so that's a plus...

Most people recommend lean meats like chicken breast and fish (you mentioned tuna already).

Also, one thing I don't think that has been mentioned in the bulking up thread is doing a cycle of low reps & high weights one week and then a cycle of high reps & low weights another.

It should help out your joints and build muscle stamina, which will help in the long run.
 

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Dunn - Well Done said:
I am also looking to gain muscle mass and weight. I am currently about 64-65kg and 172 cm in height would love to add a nice 5-6 kg over the pre season for footy. I find Creatine works really well with adding weight but gives you kidney stones later on in life. Also it simply just give you water retention and is almsot like a fake supplement which increases the size of you. Protein doesnt need to be taken before you lift weights but a person wanting to gain muscle size should take 1.5g per kg every day to become big. Is only meant to be 15% of your diet and about 50-60 grams is for the average person. Protein reapirs the muscles and produces muscle growth, thus it should be taken during and after gym session. But should be about 25% of your daily diet.
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i dont understand. it sounded like you were asking for help but then went on to try educate us?
on the bolded parts:
* yes protein does need to be taken before.
* taking anything other than water during the gym is counterproductive and can cause your body to turn the calories into fat. no carbs, especially, should be taken within an hour of the gym.
 
Dunn - Well Done said:
I am also looking to gain muscle mass and weight. I am currently about 64-65kg and 172 cm in height would love to add a nice 5-6 kg over the pre season for footy. I find Creatine works really well with adding weight but gives you kidney stones later on in life. Also it simply just give you water retention and is almsot like a fake supplement which increases the size of you. Protein doesnt need to be taken before you lift weights but a person wanting to gain muscle size should take 1.5g per kg every day to become big. Is only meant to be 15% of your diet and about 50-60 grams is for the average person. Protein reapirs the muscles and produces muscle growth, thus it should be taken during and after gym session. But should be about 25% of your daily diet.

Tuna
Eggs
any meat
Nuts
protein powders are all good for gaining muscle size.

What particular brands do people recommend for muscle growth??
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At your size you are going to need all the pace you can muster to play football. Are you sure bulking up is a wise choice for you?

My advice is to eat everything in sight (asidefrom crap), do a repitition weight raining regime that is favored by the AFL and keep up your running. Time yourself in sprints and make sure your times don't slacken off as you put on size.
 
Mario the Lothario said:
He doesn't have a clue, he is talking about body building, not weight training for AFL football.
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and the difference, may i ask? i know afl players dont want to put on as much bulk as bodybuilders, but they still would be advised not to take carbs in the said time period for the same reason. low skin folds are what they strive for, so this would be recommended. pre-workout is another story. and for what its worth, please stop trying to slander me, im doing my best to not do so myself and youre not helping the situation :thumbsu:


whomb said:
i'm assuming/hoping he means in the hour before-hand.
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yeah thats what i meant. in the context of the conversation i thought thatd be clear. guess not. carbs within the hour before weight training forces your body to turn them into stored energy/fat. after working out, carbs are pivotal.
 
Robert Plant said:
and the difference, may i ask? i know afl
carbs within the hour before weight training forces your body to turn them into stored energy/fat. after working out, carbs are pivotal.
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Eating carbs before a workout does not force your body to turn them into fat.....? I'm confident you just made that one up. i hope you're just joking around..:thumbsdown:

Have you ever heard of pre workout meals, usually 30 minutes prior to going to the gym? Obviously not.
 

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