Moved Thread Bulldogs - one of the worst premiership fluke title defences I've seen

[gangsta deluxe]

I seem to recall us doing ok about this time onwards...

No no no this was immediately followed by the st kilda premiership

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

Murphy going down was what allowed Sicily to take the mark and kick the winning goal.

Would have thought a Hawthorn supporter would remember the incident a bit better. Murphy was blocked by Breust and would never have got anywhere near Sicily. You really think he's going to effect a spoil here?

 

[PerthBoy86]

Bye was an advantage for you. If there wasn't one, you lose. Simple.

Would probably make it less likely but still possible imo. It's still conjecture. Even without the bye I can see more teams finishing 5-8 winning the flag nowadays.

 

[Mattdougie]

2 flags in 92 years ain't a bad record man. You should feel proud that you didn't get us in the Gf and actually got to see your team win one

Wow You really are upset

You didn't make it so how in gods green earth can you be attempting to boast about something you weren't even good enough to make???


Lol your the bloke that leaves the club and tells him mate the hot blonde really wanted you Coz she walked past and looked at you and the only reason she isn't coming home with you is Coz your out with the boys and don't wanna dog them!!

Hahahhahahahha only losers boast about what they didn't achieve and light have happened so rock on little boy rock on

 

[demondavey]

We went 19-7, maybe more then 4 good games? Hawthorn went 19-7 in 2015, lucky premiers too?

Forget your home and away record. Those 4 good games were finals.

Hawthorn played a finals series equally your measure in 2015 and defended 2 titles.

Don't compare.

 

[gangsta deluxe]

You reckon they will?

If he/she can genuinely say who Essendon 1994 lost to without looking id be surprised (well I'd know he's/she's full of shit).

Anyone who thinks that this poor year will be remembered and will have an influence on how last year was perceived is a fool. Only the flag winner and grand finalist are remembered years down the track by the footballing public.

 

[toenail11]

They had one of the most memorable premiership wins in afl history and probably went on an absolute bender afterwards. Nothing in their career will ever compare to that so not suprised at them lacking a bit of fire this year

 

[Blue1980]

With the exclusion of Adelaide, were any of the other sides absolutely piss weak the following season?

Pies missed the finals in 91 while hawthorn won the flag

 

[Bulldog1954]

Forget your home and away record. Those 4 good games were finals.

15-7 wasn't a bad record was it? I don't understand how winning 15 games then 4 finals makes a premiership lucky, but each to their own. If we were lucky, who deserved the flag?

 

[Anja_Nees]

People can say 'only two wins out of top spot' all they want. But when a team is eight points and over 35% behind, it's safe to say that they're really three games off top spot, effectively. It's like saying Hawthorn is two games out of the eight now. That might be the case, if the Hawks are intending to win those games by a combined 250-odd points.



No-one can deny last year. They did it the hard way and practically everyone whose team didn't end up playing against the Dogs in September last year got behind them in a huge way. But (you knew there was going to be a but), if they wanted to be remembered as more than a one hit wonder, they simply had to do something this year, to absolutely entrench themselves in the top four, throughout the season, squashing challengers every other week. It would be one thing to be satisfied with an Essendon 2000 type season, but a Cinderella run, where your team appeared to markedly improve over the offseason, by any measurement?

They didn't make much of a mark on the competition for a good 5+ years prior to September 2016 and they have not done much since either. That's unique among premiership teams from the last 20 years and not in a good way. Adelaide in 1997/98 were a bit of a flash in the pan too, but they did go back-to-back. Every other team that's won a premiership since then either kicked on to be a premiership contender for years to come, or had been a premiership contender for many years prior. This Bulldogs team is different.

That's not my point. We weren't the best team in the comp during the home and away season. We were just a lot closer to it than the average 7th side.

My point was that we won as many games as a lot of sides that finish, say, fourth do. In fact in '03 the lions won 14.5, finished fourth and then won it. The Dogs of '16 in isolation weren't much different to the lions of that year or Sydney in '05 or the hawks in '08. It's just that we finished seventh instead of fourth.

Yes, probably won it a bit out of the blue but people make out it was some massive outlier. It's also true we don't look like backing it up this year but if we're thereabouts next year and beyond it'll make more sense. Perhaps this year will prove to be the outlier.

 

[Mattdougie]

15-7 wasn't a bad record was it? I don't understand how winning 15 games then 4 finals makes a premiership lucky, but each to their own. If we were lucky, who deserved the flag?

Yeah we only played four good games all year the rest of the season we were rubbish apparently

 

[gangsta deluxe]

15-7 wasn't a bad record was it? I don't understand how winning 15 games then 4 finals makes a premiership lucky, but each to their own. If we were lucky, who deserved the flag?

He'll never register that point. Ignore it, say "6 teams were better at the end of the season", assuming that the season doesn't include finals, and continue from there.

Bloke is a tool that cherry picks points to suit his perspective. Weak as piss.

 

[Deep]

15-7 wasn't a bad record was it? I don't understand how winning 15 games then 4 finals makes a premiership lucky, but each to their own. If we were lucky, who deserved the flag?

You deserved the flag I don't doubt that because you beat the Swans when we couldn't. I just think you got lucky with the bye before the finals because the names you had come back in are guns and they more than likely wouldn't have played without the week off.

It's just annoying as a supporter when an opposition team can't beat you all season then they win the premiership but that didn't stop me from genuinely wanting you guys to win it because like I said Geelong are Sydney's bitch.

 

[Duskfire]

There's no fight or mongrel about them beyond a couple of players. Stringer is a shell of a couple of seasons ago and no idea what happened to him. I really do think they are missing Hamling; when you have Cordy playing on Tex for various parts of the match your in trouble. The third man rule has hurt them as well I feel and tagging JJ has shut off a lot of their supply of half back. I thought once they got players like Roughead and Dickson back they would start picking up steam but regardless of changes they seem to just be in a constant struggle to score.

Bont, Daniel, Redpath, Dale are probably the only players who have been decent for them, maybe Hunter or McLean as well but jeez.

Seriously though what the hell happened to Stringer. A couple of seasons ago he looked like a player ready to explode now he is just... Eh

 

[gangsta deluxe]

You deserved the flag I don't doubt that because you beat the Swans when we couldn't. I just think you got lucky with the bye before the finals because the names you had come back in are guns and they more than likely wouldn't have played without the week off.

It's just annoying as a supporter when an opposition team can't beat you all season then they win the premiership but that didn't stop me from genuinely wanting you guys to win it because like I said Geelong are Sydney's bitch.

We got lucky with the bye everyone else had? Riiiiight.

So unfair. So inequitable. What a disgraceful bye.

 

[Stig O'Hara]

Felt for Bevo in the presser.

Looked exhausted.

 

[SterlingArcher]

15-7 wasn't a bad record was it? I don't understand how winning 15 games then 4 finals makes a premiership lucky, but each to their own. If we were lucky, who deserved the flag?

The Swans are talked up like some really unlucky team but they were lucky they got Geelong in the prelim because against GWS and the Dogs they went 1-4 in 2016, and their stars in the finals carried the likes of Xavier Richards (legit bog average), Kurt Tippett (shit the bed in the grand final), Gary Rohan (same), Jeremy Laidler (average) a couple of rookies like Hewett and Papley (forgive these 2), and some well past-it senior players like McVeigh and Jack.

The Swans top 6 were the equal of or even better than the Dogs top 6, just like Geelong and GWS and Adelaides were. But your 7th-22nd (hell, 23-28) was so much more superior to every other team, to call last years flag 'lucky' is just wrong.

 

[blue harvest]

Would have thought a Hawthorn supporter would remember the incident a bit better. Murphy was blocked by Breust and would never have got anywhere near Sicily. You really think he's going to effect a spoil here?

Yep he would have got some body contact, Sicily was able to duck to the right into the space where Murphy would have been going.

 

[demondavey]

15-7 wasn't a bad record was it? I don't understand how winning 15 games then 4 finals makes a premiership lucky, but each to their own. If we were lucky, who deserved the flag?

You deserved it, but you were still a mid ranked side. No surprises you've been overrun this year. It's not personal, it's reality.

 

[Duskfire]

Felt for Bevo in the presser.

Looked exhausted.

Yeah he looks like a man who doesn't know what has happened nor has any answers. He won the gf by getting the best out of his players but now the majority of them just aren't anywhere near it

 

[SterlingArcher]

The bye was favourable to you because players were back for you that shouldn't of been a week earlier.

Whereas a bye for Geelong isn't favourable because we don't win after them. Because we have a shit coach but that's not your clubs fault.

Fairness is no bye at all

Geelong won the qualifying final after a bye?

 

[Mattdougie]

Well according to one genius on here we only won last year Coz we were fit and had intensity

Amazing that in the history of football Bev worked out that those two things along win flags.

Amazing effort really I'm stunned no one ekes has ever worked this out

 

[SterlingArcher]

That's not my point. We weren't the best team in the comp during the home and away season. We were just a lot closer to it than the average 7th side.

My point was that we won as many games as a lot of sides that finish, say, fourth do. In fact in '03 the lions won 14.5, finished fourth and then won it. The Dogs of '16 in isolation weren't much different to the lions of that year or Sydney in '05 or the hawks in '08. It's just that we finished seventh instead of fourth.

Yes, probably won it a bit out of the blue but people make out it was some massive outlier. It's also true we don't look like backing it up this year but if we're thereabouts next year and beyond it'll make more sense. Perhaps this year will prove to be the outlier.

2008 Hawks all over again I reckon. GWS set to be like Geelong winning flags before you guys do again (obviously ignore 2007), but the stars have not aligned for you this year, just like Hawthorn 2009, while the young talent is clearly still there. Just need to refind the coaching edge and the leadership ala Hawthorn 2011 onwards.

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

That's not my point. We weren't the best team in the comp during the home and away season. We were just a lot closer to it than the average 7th side.

My point was that we won as many games as a lot of sides that finish, say, fourth do. In fact in '03 the lions won 14.5, finished fourth and then won it. The Dogs of '16 in isolation weren't much different to the lions of that year or Sydney in '05 or the hawks in '08. It's just that we finished seventh instead of fourth.

Yes, probably won it a bit out of the blue but people make out it was some massive outlier. It's also true we don't look like backing it up this year but if we're thereabouts next year and beyond it'll make more sense. Perhaps this year will prove to be the outlier.

Comparing wins and losses to other years isn't very useful, as far as I'm concerned. It basically comes down to how much utter garbage there is at the other end of the ladder and last year there was a fair bit of that. 2011 was similar. West Coast won 17 games that year and finished fourth, but the Eagles were still absolutely making up the numbers that year because there was an inordinate number of crap teams in the league. Geelong beat Melbourne by 186 points that year and there were four teams that were even worse than the Dees.

On the other hand, this season would appear to be one of remarkable parity, where a blowout has become a rare occurrence, which means 14 wins and a decent percentage should be good enough for top four.

 

[Kermit]

In 100 years people will see you won the premiership on wikipedia but when they click into the seasons results they'll see the premiers lost to the prelim chokers 2/2 times thus getting very lucky

And they will see that you "prelim chokers" (as you put it),lost to Carlton who finished 14th and Collingwood who finished 12th. So how does that matter?? Not every stat is relevant as far as a season goes- as those points indicate. Sydney smacked you in the prelim and you have no idea what might have happened if they didn't. You didn't deserve to get to the Grand Final- and that is fact. You blew your chance last year- man up and deal with it.