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Our local butcher Chris (Darling St Meat, Rozelle NSW hi Chris if you are reading this) is a mate of mine and we have beers and a punt most weekends but whenever I walk past his butcher shop I open the door and scream "BUTCHER" at the top of my lungs. He has been getting really shitty with me and reckons I nearly gave one old lady a heart attack the other day. I tried to explain to him I wasn't yelling at him or his staff. I was just trying to wake John Butcher up out of the slumber he is in.
It hasn't worked yet and he is still shitty with me.
 

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rignanv said:
I know this sound crazy but if I was Kenny I'd be tempted to play Butcher this week and tell him he is in for the rest of the H&A as long as he puts in 100% effort for 100% of the time. I'd tell him not to worry about his kicking but to just focus on attacking the ball and tackling the opposition when we don't have the ball
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No we are playing for keeps.... Again we are an A grade AFL side that you earn the trust and respect of your team mates before you line up with them.

I have cooled down about Butch, Ken knows what he is dealing with and that Butch isn't close to AFL level. I would trade for a high second round pick but it's not likely to be offered. Leave him in the sanfl for the year and start from scratch next year but as mentioned a few times by others I want him to have a routine that he does not deviate from when lining up.
 
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rignanv said:
I know this sound crazy but if I was Kenny I'd be tempted to play Butcher this week and tell him he is in for the rest of the H&A as long as he puts in 100% effort for 100% of the time. I'd tell him not to worry about his kicking but to just focus on attacking the ball and tackling the opposition when we don't have the ball
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if we dont open the cheque book and throw everything and the kitchen sink at Jeremy Cameron, or at least go hard at an established key forward then we as a club have rocks in our head.

If Sydney can trade in one of the biggest KPFs in the game and Tippett who is no mug either (yes yes i know COLA and all) but we MUST go hard and get someone

Its clear Butcher wont make it... Shaw is a flight risk and still not ready, and Harvey is a way off

If god forbid Jay Schulz goes down we are absolutely ****ed, not to mention he will be 30 at the start of next season

If we are serious about contending for a premiership next season we have to chuck everything at getting a big name KPF

COME ON KENNY.. BRING US A KPF GUN... WE NEED IT
 
Pointless comparing Tippett and Franklin to Cameron. Sydney got one of them in the PSD and the other as a free agent. We wouldn't get Cameron by either of those methods. I'd happily give Cameron a blank cheque to come and play for Port Adelaide, but the issue of what we'd have to give up for him on the trade table is the more important one.

Would Sydney have gone for Tippett if they'd had to give up Hannebery and a first rounder to get him? Would they have gone for Franklin if they'd have had to give up Parker and a first rounder? And would they be the same side today if they had made those moves and had to give quality to get quality, rather than having two of the best KPF's in the game delivered to them on a silver platter?
 
Magpiespower said:
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Well we need someone tall to give us better structure going forward. There will be a lot of rushed kicks forward this weekend and less clean breaks and we need more than 1 or 2 talls competing. If it's not butcher then it must be Shaw. He is close to 100 kg. Sounds ready enough to me
 
On Footy Classified Tredders revealed he has only had 1 session with Butch in the preseason and Lloyd revealed he spoke to Butch on the phone about a month ago on the phone re: goal kicking, and is willing to do more work with him. Bit shocked about the Tredrea part especially, not good enough IMO

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edgie said:
On Footy Classified Tredders revealed he has only had 1 session with Butch in the preseason and Lloyd revealed he spoke to Butch on the phone about a month ago on the phone re: goal kicking, and is willing to do more work with him. Bit shocked about the Tredrea part especially, not good enough IMO

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No offence to Tredders but I'd rather have Lloyd or Scotty Hodges having sessions with Butch
 
rignanv said:
I know this sound crazy but if I was Kenny I'd be tempted to play Butcher this week and tell him he is in for the rest of the H&A as long as he puts in 100% effort for 100% of the time. I'd tell him not to worry about his kicking but to just focus on attacking the ball and tackling the opposition when we don't have the ball
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yep

we won't win the flag without someone helping Schulz. Whether it is Shaw or Butcher, I don't really care.

I would roll the dice and play for a premiership not 4 points.
 
JimmyBeerCans said:
No offence to Tredders but I'd rather have Lloyd or Scotty Hodges having sessions with Butch
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Yeah no doubt with the kicking part but I'd have tredders also teaching about all the other aspects of being a power forward, tredrea wasn't the vest kick at times himself but he could help butcher still keep himself in the game and contribute in other areas



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JimmyBeerCans said:
No offence to Tredders but I'd rather have Lloyd or Scotty Hodges having sessions with Butch
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Elite field kick, dead-eyed dick on the run, knows all about recovering from an Ian Baker-Finch level case of the yips in the been there/done that stakes.
 
tribey said:
Elite field kick, dead-eyed dick on the run, knows all about recovering from an Ian Baker-Finch level case of the yips in the been there/done that stakes.
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Good point about experience with the yips hopefully he chats to John about the mental side of conquering it, I'd still rather have a Matty Lloyd taking him for kicking sessions.
 
edgie said:
On Footy Classified Tredders revealed he has only had 1 session with Butch in the preseason and Lloyd revealed he spoke to Butch on the phone about a month ago on the phone re: goal kicking, and is willing to do more work with him. Bit shocked about the Tredrea part especially, not good enough IMO

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It's up to butcher to go and ask for help, it's his fault if he hasn't had more help. Walker went out of his way to ring Tredders for help and turned his game around.

Maybe Butcher lacks the hunger to put 100% in to getting the most out of his talent.

After watching him run around for the Maggie's on the weekend I don't hold much hope for him sadly. Lacked run and effort for most of the day.

Does not deserve a game at the moment.
 
Tredrea said the club only contacted him that one time in the preseason, I would think anything Butcher wants has to get club approval first. Lloyd sounded more like he went out of his way using Monfries as the connection to set it up. Butch seems particularly shy and down at the moment, I'm putting it back on the club to help him. I don't care if we have to send him to heck for farks sake or have him miss a trip if we take one, next year for him has to have everything thrown at it, from himself and from the club.

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Butcher for Greenwood, Shaw for Lycett, Redden back, Harvey firing and Kochie keeping quiet about our 220 cm Chinese ex-basketballer with the golden boot.

Well I can dream.
 
Forzaport said:
There is a silver lining:

http://www.portadelaidefc.com.au/news/2014-07-29/sanfl-report-round-14

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This is where Butcher has it well over Shaw and Harvey at the moment. His defensive work in the forward 50 is absolutely fantastic. Shaw and Harvey don't quite have that level of defensive workrate to their game yet.

It's curious because Butcher's offensive workrate is questioned on a regular basis. If he can learn to work as hard when we're attacking as he does when we turn it over he'll improve as a player.
 
charcolechaddy said:
Has the rugby dude done any work with butch?
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Nope see my post a couple of pages back - and the video is a laugh. Ben Perkins started off in footy in SA - think he played juniors at Port in the 1970's and ended up in Rugby Union somehow as the Wallabies kicking coach.

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/butcher.1023464/page-59#post-34235537

Here is an article from 2012 I kept on Perkins re the work he did with Essendon- which is no longer up on the AFL website

Secret guru
By Callum Twomey 5:21 PM Wed 15 Aug, 2012

A GOALKICKING guru who is regarded by some as one of the country's most eccentric sporting characters has been a major reason behind Michael Hurley's improved form in front of goal.

Ben Perkins, a former kicking coach with the Wallabies and a goalkicking consultant who has worked intermittently with Port Adelaide, Hawthorn and Gold Coast players in recent years, first worked with the Essendon star in June.

The club's forward line coach Matthew Egan called him under the direction of senior assistant Mark Thompson after Perkins had done some occasional coaching with Geelong players.

Thompson tried to lure Perkins to work for Geelong at the end of 2004 after Perkins had helped the Power, including premiership captain Warren Tredrea, kick accurately through that year's finals series.

In the first 11 games of the season, Essendon had averaged 15 behinds a game. The Bombers' inaccuracy was especially telling in consecutive close losses to Melbourne and the Sydney Swans in rounds 10 and 11, when they kicked 16 behinds in both matches.

Hurley's wayward kicking was particularly costly against the Demons when he missed three simple set shots from close range.

But Perkins' work with the 22-year-old Bomber has had immediate dividends.

The week after their first session together, Hurley kicked a career-high haul of six goals against Fremantle in round 12, and followed it up with five goals against the Western Bulldogs.

Perkins has had two more sessions with the Bombers and Hurley since then.

The numbers show an improvement in Hurley's efficiency.

In the five games Hurley has played since working with Perkins, he has kicked 16.5. In Hurley's first eight games of the year, before he met Perkins, he kicked 7.10.

Perkins believes Hurley is a quick learner, but is loathe to reveal the tweaks he has overseen in Hurley's game.

"I call it my 'secret teachings'," Perkins told AFL.com.au. 

"Michael has a sensational attitude to learn and do everything he's asked to do and has got fantastically quick results.

"Once players know what to do with their goalkicking, they've got a chance because they know if they do their routine with the right technique that they're a good chance to kick goals.

"It gives them confidence that they have something to fall back on."

Hurley told AFL.com.au after his six-goal haul that he had worked closely on the skill and improved some things like moving at the goals with more momentum.

Hurley isn't the first player Perkins believes has turned around his goalkicking under his watch.

He says Hawk Jarryd Roughead and Cat Tom Hawkins have improved with his tutelage, and Tredrea credits Perkins for playing a huge role in relieving him of the 'yips'.

"I didn't have a genuine routine but I started working with Ben and pretty much instantly I was able to convert a lot better," said Tredrea, who kicked a career-best 81.44 the year working with Perkins.

"He is very, very good at what he does. His biggest things are momentum and attention to detail. He does a lot of stuff with the run-up, and for me it was about starting off slow but on the impact of the kick you're at a speed where you feel comfortable."

Perkins is renowned for his odd methods, but also dabbles in consultancy outside of football.

After leaving the Wallabies in 2006, where he was a close confidant and kicking coach of star Matt Giteau), he lived in Queenstown in New Zealand, where he played golf and wrote sports columns for the local paper.

He now runs a sports betting website (punting is also a passion), is a golf putting coach and has an interest in movies and theatre. Next year, he wants to work at an AFL club full-time as a specialist kicking, goalkicking and tackling coach.

After fixing Hurley's style, he'd like the chance to work with misfiring Collingwood trio Travis Cloke, Chris Tarrant and Chris Dawes. He thinks AFL clubs don't understand how to teach the art of goalkicking.

"I can't believe clubs aren't knocking down my door. Most teams have no idea about goalkicking," Perkins said.

"If you put me with a team full-time we will not only win the goalkicking stats by the length of the straight, we will improve all field kicking immensely as well."
 
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