Ridiculous suggestion, Byrnes is probably one of the most selfless players on Geelong's list. ALWAYS does the team thing, ALWAYS does what bomber wants.
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Byrnes, where has he gone?
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Ridiculous suggestion, Byrnes is probably one of the most selfless players on Geelong's list. ALWAYS does the team thing, ALWAYS does what bomber wants.
To be honest I'd written him off at the end of 08 purely because those stats you quoted. I didn't want a player so wasteful in our forwardline. He's on track for 30.24 which is a pretty solid return for a small forward. Love Varcoe but half the reason he ussualy leads goal kicking is because he can barely kick over a jam tin and won't shoot from outside about 40m.
I agree Byrnes always does what Bombers asks and I wouldn't mind betting Bomber after last season has told him to be more selfish in front of goal.
Ridiculous suggestion, Byrnes is probably one of the most selfless players on Geelong's list. ALWAYS does the team thing, ALWAYS does what bomber wants.
I cant believe it took a Melbourne supporter to see Byrnes for the player he is.
Byrnes is one of our dual Premiership Players and its time we paid him the respect he has worked so bloody hard for, these threads have to stop.
I cant believe it took a Melbourne supporter to see Byrnes for the player he is.
Byrnes is one of our dual Premiership Players and its time we paid him the respect he has worked so bloody hard for, these threads have to stop.
GARY JNR
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Agree 100% ... can't believe some people have gone back to trying to look for holes in Byrnesy, whose has surely shown his importance for us over the past 18 months. GF day anyone?
And he was our only legitimate small forward for the first 6 weeks of the year, so he was carrying that role by himself people.
1) His form hasn't been bad at all.
2) Don't go on stats - esp goals (are fans suddenly used to his 25 touch, 3-goal games? ha, how quickly things turn)
3) I think the guy deserves some slack even if he does have a few tougher weeks given his heavy workload in the early rounds
4) Watch him go this w'end. He carves up on Subi
catempire
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Nobody has said he's been terrible, just that he hasn't had the same impact he had at his peak last year.
He hasn't earned the right of immunity from criticism.
He hasn't earned the right of immunity from criticism.
SJ
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And he doesn't deserve criticism purely on the basis that his "impact" may be down on last year.
Maybe it is because he is receiving a little more attention, allowing some of our other players other players more freedom.
Archangel
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I think you have to face the fact that he's just not that good
catempire
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meto
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He generally out possessions Varcoe, and kicks more goals, checkout the stats and see for yourself.
Varcoe's usually slack for posessions and fades in and out.
Having said that, Varcoe's had one good game where he actually gather over 20 possessions, that will probably see him good for the rest of the year.
Byrnes like others gets judged from week to week, unlike Varcoe who seems to avoid such scrutiny.
Anyway, checkout goals and possessions and see what you reckon then.
To me Varcoe's the sacred cow of the team, untouchable, no matter how little he does, personally I'd prefer Mitch Duncan to be a permanent fixture rather than Varcoe. (especially in the tough games and finals.)
Varcoe's usually slack for posessions and fades in and out.
Having said that, Varcoe's had one good game where he actually gather over 20 possessions, that will probably see him good for the rest of the year.
Byrnes like others gets judged from week to week, unlike Varcoe who seems to avoid such scrutiny.
Anyway, checkout goals and possessions and see what you reckon then.
To me Varcoe's the sacred cow of the team, untouchable, no matter how little he does, personally I'd prefer Mitch Duncan to be a permanent fixture rather than Varcoe. (especially in the tough games and finals.)
catempire
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Don't know how Varcoe is relevant, but for what it's worth, he averages 0.5 possessions and 0.3 goals less than Byrnes per game in 2010. Byrnes has had 20+ possessions three times from 10 games and Varcoe twice from five.
Hardly a compelling case.
The thread is more about Byrnes vs Byrnes. At his best versus where he's performing now. There's a significant gap that we'd all like to see closed.
Hardly a compelling case.
The thread is more about Byrnes vs Byrnes. At his best versus where he's performing now. There's a significant gap that we'd all like to see closed.
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Been one of our best tonight 
Exhale You
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Excellent performance tonight from Shannon.
He really stood up with Mooney hurt and Pods/Dog largely ineffective, offering a target, working hard and finishing well.
Three of his goals came directly from Travis Varcoe's defensive skills and unselfish play so i hope Shannon buys him a beer tonight.
He really stood up with Mooney hurt and Pods/Dog largely ineffective, offering a target, working hard and finishing well.
Three of his goals came directly from Travis Varcoe's defensive skills and unselfish play so i hope Shannon buys him a beer tonight.
Brasil2007
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Probably our second best player tonight over the four quarters.
He's having a good season I think.
Couldn't really complain about Varcoe's season either - he's had an impact in virtually every game he's played.
He's having a good season I think.
Couldn't really complain about Varcoe's season either - he's had an impact in virtually every game he's played.
catempire
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Much more like it tonight.
Was on the end of some very tidy Trav work I might add!
Was on the end of some very tidy Trav work I might add!
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Try and open the second eye meto...the stats tell you only what you want to see. Byrnes has more kicks and goals and interestingly, more marks per game, but Varcoe has more handballs, more inside 50's, more tackles, double the goal assists, and more goals contributed per game. They indicate these players play different roles within the team structure.
Travis has been good...and the last comment I bolded....well...shows you have a short memory mate.
Set up at least three tonight, kicked one himself and while no votes from me was better than many. He deserves his place. Certainly way in front of young Mitch as it stands.
If there's a sacred cow, it more likely Mackie, whose season to date has been totally underwhelming for me.
Brasil2007
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Absolutely. Beaten today several times not because his opponent was better but because he was out of position or just didn't seem to put the effort in. And this was probably one of his better games for the year!
couchy555
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Its hard for small forwards to be good every week and i think Byrnes has had a few good games this year so i think hes doing reasonably well. Never gonna be an elite player but is more than handy and would get games in every other team in the AFL
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Byrnes was good tonight. I don't get to see every Cats game, but when I do, he usually plays pretty well. Cats should persist with him.
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The constant Byrnes bashing on the Cats portal is irrational. Anyone would think he was Charlie Gardinar the way they carry on.
meto
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Rabbi,
It's just that Varcoe fans like to criticize him at any given opportunity, because they're both small forwards, and its OK to make a direct comparison cause that's where they both play.
Having said that, I'm not criticizing Travis but only trying to defend Byrnes from the bias.
Looking at the year so far, you'd have to apply the same question to Varcoe ( where has he gone?) if you do towards Byrnes, his stats are superior, that's undeniable.
Anyway if it wasn't for the little blokes we we would have lost last night, after we went down to one fit tall who was well covered.
That's why I like three talls option, Hawkins resting up forward, or just rucking in the forward line
Brynes 22 possessions 4 goals, Varcoe 15 possessions 1 goal, OK!
But both saved our bacon last night.
Some of the comments on here are ridiculous. On or two negative comments out of 30 and suddenly everyone is bagging him.
It's not a question of if he's playing well enough to get a game anymore. Even when having a bad patch he does that these days. People are now asking can he get back to his very best (which was bloody good).
As for Varcoe. His defensive pressure is like no other play in the team. He's bloody valuable in my book. I don't think either players spot is in jeopardy at the minute.
For me Stokes, Hogan, Duncan, Wojak, Taylor-Hunt and Simpson are the players that are on the fringes. Mackie is his form continues to be so bad.
It's not a question of if he's playing well enough to get a game anymore. Even when having a bad patch he does that these days. People are now asking can he get back to his very best (which was bloody good).
As for Varcoe. His defensive pressure is like no other play in the team. He's bloody valuable in my book. I don't think either players spot is in jeopardy at the minute.
For me Stokes, Hogan, Duncan, Wojak, Taylor-Hunt and Simpson are the players that are on the fringes. Mackie is his form continues to be so bad.
Brasil2007
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Shagger had a pretty good game tonight I thought. A few Shannon moments but he recovered pretty well, plus he was genuinely damaging.
SJ
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Yep, has been very good the past fortnight.
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BlakeyNoFlakey
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he actually kicked a nice pass which resulted in a goal with his right foot. I nearly fainted.
Seems typical of this forum that if a player has a form drop for even a moment they are lambasted by the usual crowd. Get a life.
Seems typical of this forum that if a player has a form drop for even a moment they are lambasted by the usual crowd. Get a life.
