Can Ball say no to Melbourne?

[jakson68]

This may seem a stupid question and if so im sorry but can Luke Ball say no to melbourne in the draft. He has played in a grand final and all due respect to Melbourne but they are unlikely to challenge soon.
If a player does not want to be drafted by a club does he then have an avenue to say no or is he forced to go there.
My understanding is he has to go there but should a player be made to play for a team he does not want to.
They are people also not just pawns in a game.
If this is indeed the way it goes and a player has no say in what happens in their career, then the sooner free agency come in the better.

 

[Luke_Hodgey_15]

Doesn't matter, thay already said that they wouldn't waste there pick on him

 

[MagooTheRoo]

It's a draft. You go to whatever team picks you. His option is to avoid the draft and stay with the saints.

 

[jakson68]

It's a draft. You go to whatever team picks you. His option is to avoid the draft and stay with the saints.

Then bring on free agency, if a player does his service at a club and wants to move on he should be allowed.
It shows what a dog's act St Kilda did.

 

[MarkT2]

If Melbourne draft him he can say no but he can't play elsewhere. He could stand out of the game for a period (2 years?) and then nominate for the draft again. Won't happen but it would make it a dead set certainty that free agency came in before the next draft.

 

[mollyfud]

Yes and No.
If he enters a draft and gets picked by Melbourne, apart from stepping out of footy, he has to play for Melbourne.

The yes to him saying no to Melbourne is for him to:
a) Sign with Saints
b) Don't sign with the Saints. Wait for October 31st and then Delist himself and nominate for the National Draft. Melbourne have said they wouldn't use any of their first 4 picks on him, so that would mean (unless someone other then Melbourne draft him) he would have a chance of getting to 25 in the draft, the pick Collingwood wanted to give up for him anyway. Therefor, you could argue going into the ND is saying no to Melbourne. Of course, the Dees could change their minds!

 

[Belnakor]

i guess he could nominate and put in his contract he will be based in brisbane or some such, that way only brisbane would want to draft in in the PSD.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

This may seem a stupid question and if so im sorry but can Luke Ball say no to melbourne in the draft. He has played in a grand final and all due respect to Melbourne but they are unlikely to challenge soon.
If a player does not want to be drafted by a club does he then have an avenue to say no or is he forced to go there.
My understanding is he has to go there but should a player be made to play for a team he does not want to.
They are people also not just pawns in a game.
If this is indeed the way it goes and a player has no say in what happens in their career, then the sooner free agency come in the better.

here's a thought. If Ball had a preferred club, maybe that preferred club could have done what it took to get the job done, rather than sooking about the conduct of other teams?

That way, everyone wins

 

[krusden]

This may seem a stupid question and if so im sorry but can Luke Ball say no to melbourne in the draft. He has played in a grand final and all due respect to Melbourne but they are unlikely to challenge soon.
If a player does not want to be drafted by a club does he then have an avenue to say no or is he forced to go there.
My understanding is he has to go there but should a player be made to play for a team he does not want to.
They are people also not just pawns in a game.
If this is indeed the way it goes and a player has no say in what happens in their career, then the sooner free agency come in the better.

Well well well a pro-luke ball thread and surprise surprise its a PIE supporter making it.

"They are people also not just pawns in a game" - well footy is a business. If, hypothetically, Goldsack had been traded to the saints for Ball would you have this "holier than thou" attitude and be bleating that footballers are "people" and "not pawns" and let's all feel sorry for Tyson and LUke together.........?

 

[Butts_JZZ30]

Then bring on free agency, if a player does his service at a club and wants to move on he should be allowed.
It shows what a dog's act St Kilda did.

Dog act? They offered him a 3-year contract he thought he could get better at another club and knocked it back...now they aren't prepared to offer him another one...fair enough if you ask me!

 

[whelan=legend]

And why wouldn't he want to go to Melbourne?

We'll have a better shot of winning a premiership than your in between list does.

I'm tipping finals in 2011, a red hot shot at the premiership in 2013, when he will be 29.

 

[FRUMPY]

I dont think there should be free agency, keep it the way it is.

If collingwood really wanted him they would have offered a better deal.

Its now upto ball to decide if he ants to play at St Kilda and work hard to get a game or goto Melbourne and get a game every week.

Sounds like to me he will take the easy option and goto Melbourne.

 

[BEEG]

And why wouldn't he want to go to Melbourne?

We'll have a better shot of winning a premiership than your in between list does.

I'm tipping finals in 2011, a red hot shot at the premiership in 2013, when he will be 29.

Dreamland

I will give you a couple reasons

Won 7 matches in 2 years

Has NO Supporters (Unless you blokes are winning has always been like that)

Wants to play infront of big crowds

Ask for hand outs from its players money wise

There is just a couple reasons of the top of my head

 

[The Punter]

Why is it that Australian footballers are "people", who are only traded one week in a year, and can only change clubs once a year, but American sporting stars (basketballers, footballers, baseballers) can be moved around like real commodities at any time of the year, regardless of their home base?

The only difference, and I admit it is a pretty compelling one, is how much they get paid. But both groups still get paid well.

 

[whelan=legend]

Has NO Supporters

LOL, this old line

31,500 members last year.

8,500 members already for next year and we're not even halfway through October.

Thanks

 

[HFF]

The game is all about the players.

The AFL and the clubs are fighting a losing cause.

Sure, we all want our football clubs to prosper and gain as much compensation as they can by trading players, however, "restricting" a trade for a player to join a certain club is inevitably leading to free agency.

Every sporting code in the world has some form free agency.

In our code, no player has any control over their playing future and that is the sticky point. As a player, you want to have control over your future- not the football club who dispose of players willy-nilly as they see fit.

If we are in uproar now about clubs restricting player movement just wait until they get to walk for free to any club of their choosing.

 

[Vaders_1st]

Why wouldn't he say no.

He would probably get paid more at his local KFC than at that rabble of a club.

 

[The Big League]

Technically he can't say "no", but all clubs interested will have a meeting of sorts with him, his only option (assuming he does not wish to re-sign with the saints) is to tell all clubs except the one he want's to play for that, he will sign for the minimum 2 years and then look for a trade elsewhere and that if they do pick him up then he isn't sure if he can commit 100% to the club. No club in their right mind would pick him then.

Knowing the caliber of Luke Ball it'd be pretty fair to suggest this will not happen, but that's probably his only chance.

 

[BEEG]

LOL, this old line

31,500 members last year.

8,500 members already for next year and we're not even halfway through October.

Thanks

So why dont they rock up

?????????????????????????

 

[krusden]

Then bring on free agency, if a player does his service at a club and wants to move on he should be allowed.
It shows what a dog's act St Kilda did.

- what it shows by your reaction is how much immature little twits like you are sooking the pies couldn't get luke ball for some magic beans and a shizenhousen pick.

 

[master bate]

Let's not turn this into a Melbourne or Collingwood thread.

Ball has 3 options:

1. Sign on with the saints with his tail between his legs
2. Jump on board an exciting future at the dees with the PSD
3. Enter the national draft with the possibility of getting to any of 16 clubs. My money is Essendon would take him with one of their picks in the 20's. He would have some chance of getting to his beloved Collingwood at pick 30.

Not the greatest 3 options I'll admit that. But he'll still have a house over his head and food on the table.

 

[Sttew]

Of course he can say no, by placing a prohibitive price on his head.

 

[robba]

Of course he can say no, by placing a prohibitive price on his head.

thats not an issue. if we we were absolutely desperate to get him, even if he didnt want to come to us, we have that much room in the cap its ridiculous. in the last 2 years, neitz, white, yze, whelan, carroll, wheatley and robbo have left the club the only players we've brought in are kids.

not that we would make a play for him if it was clear he didnt want to come to us of course.

 

[scroda]

Realistically, Ball could tell Melbourne before the draft that he doesn't want to play for them and would appreciate if they didn't select him.

The likelihood is that they then wouldn't pick him. Probable but not definite.


And as for those pleading for free agency I tell you all to shut up. We are the only major sport left in the world with any semblance of loyalty.

You're all angling for free agency so your team gets the good players and so you get enjoyment in the off season but how happy will you be when there is no loyalty left in the game at all and players move around from club to club at the drop of a hat and very regularly? It will kill one of the best parts of our sport.

 

[The Big League]

not that we would make a play for him if it was clear he didnt want to come to us of course.

This is really his only option, however I suspect he would be pretty skeptical putting all that faith in Collingwood again.