Expansion Canberra

[Giant YoYo]

They also added the ‘Greater’ once Canberra was added. Two mistakes right there.

The GWS acronym is terrible and it's not often you see a small, growing organisation want to relegate itself to a 3 letter acronym.

The only ones that do it are the IMF, IBM, NIB etc which are large (especially the first two) well known organisations.

 

[Canberra Pear]

Labor won the ACT election over night (again).

I think it was probably the best result for an AFL team.

I didn't read of the LNP even mentioning Manuka. Labor made pushing for a BBL team an election promise, which is tied to upgrading Manuka. Personally, I think the stadium is the biggest hurdle for a team, so this was probably the best result for Manuka, and subsequently, an AFL team of our own.

 

[errant bounce]

The GWS acronym is rubbish and it's not often you see a small, growing organisation want to relegate itself to a 3 letter acronym.

The only ones that do it are the IMF, IBM, NIB etc which are large (especially the first two) well known organisations.

So many shitty local organisations and small companies do this and it's the worst branding. it's just a load of initials to any old random person and then they wonder why the income isn't increasing.

 

[speedpeck23]

They also added the ‘Greater’ once Canberra was added. Two mistakes right there.

They should just bite the bullet and replace "Greater" with "Canberra"

and rename the club Canberra Western Sydney.

It'll be the AFL's version of St George Illawarra except bigger.

 

[Canberra Pear]

They should just bite the bullet and replace "Greater" with "Canberra"

and rename the club Canberra Western Sydney.

It'll be the AFL's version of St George Illawarra except bigger.

That just disenfranchises both markets.

 

[parano1a]

rename the club Canberra Western Sydney

It would be better to just call the club "Giants" or "NSW/ACT Giants"

 

[Canberra Pear]

It would be better to just call the club "Giants" or "NSW/ACT Giants"

No point incorporating the ACT in the name.

With any luck, the Giants will be out of Canberra soon enough.

Don't hate the concept of the NSW Giants though. Aiming to be the team for everybody in NSW not is eastern Sydney.

 

[speedpeck23]

That just disenfranchises both markets.

Seems like that's what you want. Kick the Giants out of Canberra

No point incorporating the ACT in the name.

With any luck, the Giants will be out of Canberra soon enough.

Don't hate the concept of the NSW Giants though. Aiming to be the team for everybody in NSW not is eastern Sydney.

...and change the name to NSW.

 

[Canberra Pear]

Seems like that's what you want. Kick the Giants out of Canberra

I don't want both markets disenfranchised. I want what's best for both. Which is a full-time team each.

A full-time Giants in Sydney so they don't have to go a month without home games; build momentum, and without constant jabs or rumours about relocating to Canberra.

And a full-time Canberra team. Supply is clearly not meeting demand currently. Plus AFL is not reaching its potential in Canberra with only three games and an interstate team. Even if the Giants are "Canberra's team", they're still not Canberran in the same way the Raiders or Brumbies are, and AFL suffers for that.

Canberra coming in as the 20th team is best for both fanbases.

 

[speedpeck23]

I don't want both markets disenfranchised. I want what's best for both. Which is a full-time team each.

A full-time Giants in Sydney so they don't have to go a month without home games; build momentum, and without constant jabs or rumours about relocating to Canberra.

And a full-time Canberra team. Supply is clearly not meeting demand currently. Plus AFL is not reaching its potential in Canberra with only three games and an interstate team. Even if the Giants are "Canberra's team", they're still not Canberran in the same way the Raiders or Brumbies are, and AFL suffers for that.

Canberra coming in as the 20th team is best for both fanbases.

You seem pretty passionate . You should buy a Giants membership , help grow the club, have a say in club policy and see what happens.

 

[Canberra Pear]

You seem pretty passionate . You should buy a Giants membership , help grow the club, have a say in club policy and see what happens.

I am a Giants member. Have been buying two Giants memberships most years since 2016.

 

[speedpeck23]

I am a Giants member. Have been buying two Giants memberships most years since 2016.

Good to hear. I hope you stick with them. They need you.

 

[Canberra Pear]

Good to hear. I hope you stick with them. They need you.

I will.

I'll keep buying three-game memberships until a 20th team is announced.

If Canberra gets the 20th team, I'll probably keep buying a Giants interstate membership to help them out.

But if Canberra misses out on the 20th team, I'll drop my Giants membership. If we lose out to anybody but the NT, I'll squarely blame the Giants partnership, and I couldn't keep supporting them after that.

 

[speedpeck23]

I will.

I'll keep buying three-game memberships until a 20th team is announced.

If Canberra gets the 20th team, I'll probably keep buying a Giants interstate membership to help them out.

But if Canberra misses out on the 20th team, I'll drop my Giants membership. If we lose out to anybody but the NT, I'll squarely blame the Giants partnership, and I couldn't keep supporting them after that.

Fair enough. So second choice for 20th team behind Canberra is NT ?

 

[Canberra Pear]

Fair enough. So second choice for 20th team behind Canberra is NT ?

My logic is more what has to be done for the NT to get a team.

I don't think the NT is feasible. It would never stand on its own two feet.

For them to get a team, they have to have done a ridiculous amount of lobbying. They need a brand new climate-controlled stadium, plus tens of millions of dollars of government funding, annually, locked in for an incredibly long time.

I don't think the NT is feasible, but if they manage to clear those hurdles, I can't begrudge them getting a team ahead of Canberra.

 

[Bjo187]

My logic is more what has to be done for the NT to get a team.

I don't think the NT is feasible. It would never stand on its own two feet.

For them to get a team, they have to have done a ridiculous amount of lobbying. They need a brand new climate-controlled stadium, plus tens of millions of dollars of government funding, annually, locked in for an incredibly long time.

I don't think the NT is feasible, but if they manage to clear those hurdles, I can't begrudge them getting a team ahead of Canberra.

It's interesting if I were a Canberran, I'd be most upset if we were trumped by a really poor option like the n.t more than any other. At least with Perth you can see reasons as to why they chose it due to the growth potential.

 

[Canberra Pear]

It's interesting if I were a Canberran, I'd be most upset if we were trumped by a really poor option like the n.t more than any other. At least with Perth you can see reasons as to why they chose it due to the growth potential.

I think it's because I see Canberra and Perth in the same ballpark.

If Canberra wasn't in the running, WA3 would be the obvious choice, but to me, Canberra is better in most aspects. So if Canberra lost out to Perth, I would blame the Giants partnership holding us back.

If the NT got it, it's a completely different situation. I think it's incredibly unlikely. But if they swing some massive federal government deal, that's probably not something Canberra could compete with, even if we dropped the Giants.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

I think it's because I see Canberra and Perth in the same ballpark.

That's just the way that you see it though. One third of the football fans in Perth is still more than the number of football fans in Canberra by a significant margin, and the absolute rate of growth in Perth is still bigger than the absolute rate of growth in Canberra.

I would blame the Giants partnership holding us back.

I've said this before but I find it an incredibly strange characterisation as before the Giants having an AFL team in Canberra was far beyond a pipe dream that to think that in the absence of the current Giants setup that Canberra would be in a position to hold an AFL team.

Crowds of fewer than 10,000 going to a single or two games a year. Nobody turning up to games that didn't have Sydney involved. How has the Giants prevented a Canberra team as opposed to actually inspire more people to be AFL fans in the state (of any team), thus making a Canberra team possible at all?

There wasn't demand for non-GWS football when crowds of sub-10k went to North vs Geelong and West Coast games.

There were still combined crowds of less than 25,000 across just two games a year when both of them had Sydney playing in 2007-8.

Giants weren't holding back, the fundamental lack of AFL supporters in the city as proven by the 2005-2010 crowds in Canberra held back a team. I can equally argue that the Giants has allowed for a perception of greater AFL fans.

 

[Canberra Pear]

That's just the way that you see it though. One third of the football fans in Perth is still more than the number of football fans in Canberra by a significant margin, and the absolute rate of growth in Perth is still bigger than the absolute rate of growth in Canberra.

But WA3 isn't going to attract a third of Perth fans.

WA3 won't be anywhere near as big as West Coast or Freo.

So when it comes to what's left, WA3 won't have much more than Canberra's fanbase.

Then throw in ACT Govt funding, no WAFC royalty, cheaper stadium, wealthier population, then I feel pretty comfortable saying Canberra and WA3 are pretty similarly financially viable.

I've said this before but I find it an incredibly strange characterisation as before the Giants having an AFL team in Canberra was far beyond a pipe dream that to think that in the absence of the current Giants setup that Canberra would be in a position to hold an AFL team.

None of the historical bits you've cherry picked are relevant.

I'm not saying the Giants were holding us back.

But if WA3 gets in before us, I'm saying the Giants will be holding us back.