Politics Candace Owens (and Crowder beef)

[bourbons]

That doesn't say what you think it does.

Go on

 

[sdfc]

Go on

Overnight is a figure of speech. The shemozzle surrounding her anti-bullying website was clearly the catalyst according to that quote.

 

[Romeoh1]

Why does this very ordinary person even have a thread?

 

[Jafa]

Why does this very ordinary person even have a thread?

Because the people around here like to lose their collective shit over RWNJ's.

 

[perthblue]

Why does this very ordinary person even have a thread?

She advocates for personal responsibility and traditional family values rather than worrying about nebulous concepts like systemic racism.
This makes her a controversial and dangerous figure, apparently.

 

[Romeoh1]

She advocates for personal responsibility and traditional family values rather than worrying about nebulous concepts like systemic racism.
This makes her a controversial and dangerous figure, apparently.

Actually she’s a nutjob with very backward views who has gone full on into the peddling of false or misinformation. And that can indeed be a dangerous thing.
But she isn’t smart enough to be worthy of so much attention.

 

[O Grobbecker]

Actually she’s a nutjob with very backward views who has gone full on into the peddling of false or misinformation. And that can indeed be a dangerous thing.
But she isn’t smart enough to be worthy of so much attention.

Which of her views do you consider “backward” and what “misinformation” do you consider she peddles?

 

[Gethelred]

Which of her views do you consider “backward” and what “misinformation” do you consider she peddles?

... this is stupid. Her playing fast and loose with the truth is a well established part of her position on things.

Candace Owens wrong about Southern strategy

During a congressional hearing on hate crimes, conservative African American commentator Candace Owens said that the Rep

www.politifact.com

 

[O Grobbecker]

... this is stupid. Her playing fast and loose with the truth is a well established part of her position on things.

Candace Owens wrong about Southern strategy

During a congressional hearing on hate crimes, conservative African American commentator Candace Owens said that the Rep

www.politifact.com

I'd hoped to see something more empirical than "backward views" and "misinformation". "playing fast and loose with the truth" doesn't take it any further. What little I've seen / read of her, she advocates
(a) personal responsibility, like Jordan Petersen;
(b) rejecting victimhood, like Noel Pearson;
(c) traditional family values, the impact on children in fatherless families, like Peggy Drexler (Cornell University).

These are serious positions, similarly held by other, credible, commentators. I'd wondered if Romeoh 1 was referring to these views in describing her views as backward and what misinformation she allegedly peddles.

 

[bourbons]

Because the people around here like to lose their collective s**t mock and laugh at RWNJ's.

Fixed

 

[Gethelred]

I hoped to see something more detailed and empirical than unhelpful, perhaps biased, generalisations like "backward views" and "misinformation". "playing fast and loose with the truth" isn't an improvement. What little I've seen of her, she advocates
(a)She

Yeah, this is an outright lie.

You asked for peddled misinformation, and you have now received it. That you do not like the reception does not come as too much of a shock.

 

[O Grobbecker]

Yeah, this is an outright lie.

You asked for peddled misinformation, and you have now received it. That you do not like the reception does not come as too much of a shock.

I'd accidently posted before completing composing my post, the full version is above. If "peddled misinformation" is the Sherman Article, she seeks to debunk Owen's opinion on Southern Strategy by putting forward a different opinion supported by others who agree with her. An opinion isn't misinformation. I'd prefer commentary on her views rather than personal attacks.

 

[Gethelred]

I'd accidently posted before completing composing my post, the full version is above. If "peddled misinformation" is the Sherman Article, she seeks to debunk Owen's opinion on Southern Strategy by putting forward a different opinion supported by others who agree with her. An opinion isn't misinformation. I'd prefer commentary on her views rather than personal attacks.

... the statement "... the Southern strategy, which never happened." cannot be mere opinion. It is a factual statement, one which was wrong. It's absolutely misinformation.

If you'd prefer commentary over personal attacks and you came to the internet, methinks you came to the wrong place.

 

[Gethelred]

jim_shoes, if you like being able to react, reconsider what you're doing.

 

[bourbons]

Which of her views do you consider “backward” and what “misinformation” do you consider she peddles?

How long ya got?

• Climate change (my feelings don't care about your facts, as demonstrated by the Rogan video posted earlier)
• Trump got the US out of bed with the Saudis
• Leftists were sending mail bombs to democrats as a false flag operation, Trump supporter arrested for it, no retraction just deletes the tweets
• Soros paying people to protest for George Floyd
• "Russian lives matter" and Ukraine "wasn't a thing until 1989"
• Called Australia a tyranical police state during covid, compared the country to nazi Germany and our government to the Taliban

In general she just speaks authoritatively and well about things she knows little to nothing about, usually while focusing on extreme partisan/culture war nonsense talking points and as such she pretty often devolves into straight misinformation.

Also a fairly obvious grifter, I wouldn't be surprised if she didn't actually believe half of what she says

Every Receipt Proving Candace Owens Is A Con Artist Who Is Following The Money

More evidence has been found suggesting Candace Owens is pulling a fast one on her Blexit supporters in an effort to get paid at their literal expense.

newsone.com

Thats all before we even get to fairly clear anti-trans/LQBT agenda dressed up as "family values" or whatever culture war terminology she's currently running with




Problem was the photo she was talking about, amplifying and using as the basis for her (honestly pretty deranged and bizarre in response to a mass shooting) anti-trans talking points was completely fake.

Candace Owens Spreads Fake News And Transphobia After Texas School Shooting

Candace Owens took to Twitter to weigh in on the Texas school shooting, spreading transphobia and fake news.

news.yahoo.com

The photo she's talking about was big business on 4chan when the shooting happened, Alex Jones ran with it too. Definitely moving in totally fine and not at all concerning circles is ol' Candy lol.

 

[bourbons]

What little I've seen / read of her, she advocates
(a) personal responsibility, like Jordan Petersen;
(b) rejecting victimhood, like Noel Pearson;
(c) traditional family values, the impact on children in fatherless families, like Peggy Drexler (Cornell University).

(a) except any responsibility for Kanye's anti-semetic statements, the reaction he received is everyone else's fault apparently
(b) except when conservatives claim 'victimhood', on literally any topic or grievance (like the Kanye example). Then she fully embraces it (not that she's on her own in conservative circles there lol)
(c) yep, usually with a healthy dose of LGBT bashing

These are serious positions, similarly held by other, credible, commentators. I'd wondered if Romeoh 1 was referring to these views in describing her views as backward and what misinformation she allegedly peddles.

And they'd be fine, if they were positions she truly and un-hypocritically holds, or expresses without taking shots at an 'other'. Reckon its pretty clear that she doesn't.

 

[O Grobbecker]

(a) except any responsibility for Kanye's anti-semetic statements, the reaction he received is everyone else's fault apparently
(b) except when conservatives claim 'victimhood', on literally any topic or grievance. Then she fully embraces it (not that she's on her own in conservative circles there lol)
(c) yep, usually with a healthy dose of LGBT bashing


And they'd be fine, if they were positions she truly and un-hypocritically holds, or expresses without taking shots at an 'other'. Reckon its pretty clear that she doesn't.

Thankyou for your 2 responses. I'd expected a response from romeoh1, all he/she provided was an lol !. That video of those 2 commentators detracts from your response, illogical rants, your response is rational. Her tweet points to mental illness rather than anti trans, that's an expected response from a Republican, the automatic blame on mental illness rather than the more logical availability of firearms post firearm massacres. You adopt the anti trans interpretation, too. I'm unaware of those allegations you make in your post 215. Based upon your apparent approval of the anti trans interpretation and the mindless rants, I suspect that you might be putting interpretations on statements of hers that are doubtful or with which I'd probably disagree but I'm not going to look them up or get into any consequent debate.. I'm impressed by her 3 positions which I set out in my post 209. In your post to which this is a direct response, you look to agree with my 3 although you can't resist a yes-but-what-about kick in the ankle as you jog past.

 

[O Grobbecker]

... the statement "... the Southern strategy, which never happened." cannot be mere opinion. It is a factual statement, one which was wrong. ...

The "Southern Strategy" is supposed to be a deliberate strategy by the Republicans of fostering anti black sentiment to increase the white vote. Trump increased the black and hispanic vote for the GOP. Candace denies that the strategy was used. The fact of the increase in the black vote, suggests that she is right. Her opinion is that the Strategy wasn't used, the author's that it was. Opinions, not facts.

 

[bourbons]

Thankyou for your 2 responses. I'd expected a response from romeoh1, all he/she provided was an lol !. That video of those 2 commentators detracts from your response, illogical rants, your response is rational.

Seems like you're not familiar with Kyle Kulinski, but he's fairly well respected as far as youtube/political talking heads go, certainly moreso than Candace. Leans left sure but also calls out his own for clear irrationality when required - in fact he did so in this very video re: some people's average takes about the dead kids parents being pro-gun or Rittenhouse supporters. Perhaps you'd like to clarify what exactly was illogical in the video? For example, when he quotes Candace as saying "... a society that discourages masculinity and puts children on puberty blockers", what do you imagine she means by that? The puberty blockers bit is pure trans hate, considering she's framing it as a mindset that (somehow ) contributed to if not is responsible for the Uvalde school shooting. You have an alternate interpretation of that specific quote I take it? Lets hear it.

Her tweet points to mental illness rather than anti trans, that's an expected response from a Republican, the automatic blame on mental illness rather than the more logical availability of firearms post firearm massacres.

No, she is equating mental illness with being trans, and trying to leverage a school shooting of all things to make that point. Coz 4chan told her the bloke wearing a dress in this photo here was the shooter

Absolute misinformation, and pretty disgusting overall really.

I'm unaware of those allegations you make in your post 215. Based upon your apparent approval of the anti trans interpretation and the mindless rants, I suspect that you might be putting interpretations on statements of hers that are doubtful or with which I'd probably disagree but I'm not going to look them up or get into any consequent debate.. I'm impressed by her 3 positions which I set out in my post 209.

lol

Ok, so you're unaware of those actions of hers, and when you're provided them after specifically asking for examples you aren't going to confirm anything by spending about 15 seconds on Google, nor will you engage in any further debate but will instead remain impressed by you own admittedly limited knowledge of her, no further info points need apply for consideration. Cool. A discussion forum is definitely the right place for you

In light of this, very strange that you'd posit the question "Which of her views do you consider “backward” and what “misinformation” do you consider she peddles?" a few posts earlier. Seems like pretty bad faith posting.

In your post to which this is a direct response, you look to agree with my 3 although you can't resist a yes-but-what-about kick in the ankle as you jog past.

I'd agree that she likes to project those positions, while being extremely partisan/culture war-y and often hypocritical about how she operates in practice. Its unsurprising that someone expressly disinterested in knowing any further information about her beyond her own stated positions might be unaware of this and be taken in by such an approach.

 

[Demons09]

She’s a black woman that doesn’t agree with the echo chamber that is BF.

 

[bourbons]

The "Southern Strategy" is supposed to be a deliberate strategy by the Republicans of fostering anti black sentiment to increase the white vote. Trump increased the black and hispanic vote for the GOP. Candace denies that the strategy was used. The fact of the increase in the black vote, suggests that she is right. Her opinion is that the Strategy wasn't used, the author's that it was. Opinions, not facts.

Her contention was that the Southern Strategy wasn't a thing, ever, historically. Nothing to do with Trump.

Another example of her misinformation (straight up lies really) and talking authoritatively about something she has comically poor understanding of.

 

[bourbons]

She’s a black woman that doesn’t agree with the echo chamber that is BF.

True, but thats not why she's so bad.

Don't think I've ever heard someone speak so confidently on their positions on a whole range of stuff they clearly know nothing about

But that's her literal job after all, and another reason to deride her in itself.

 

[Scallop Industry Thug]

She advocates for personal responsibility and traditional family values rather than worrying about nebulous concepts like systemic racism.
This makes her a controversial and dangerous figure, apparently.

Nope. She believes in racism just that it’s white people who are the victims.


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[O Grobbecker]

.....

No, she is equating mental illness with being trans, and trying to leverage a school shooting of all things to make that point. Coz 4chan told her the bloke wearing a dress in this photo here was the shooter

Absolute misinformation, and pretty disgusting overall really.

.....

In light of this, very strange that you'd posit the question "Which of her views do you consider “backward” and what “misinformation” do you consider she peddles?" a few posts earlier. Seems like pretty bad faith posting.

Your statement, that "she is equating mental illness with..." is just your, and presumably others with similar extremely negative predispositions towards her, interpretation of that tweet. For mine, it's a classic post massacre gun nut / Republican response, that's my interpretation and I can't see any utility in arguing about it. That's why I'm not going to spend ages reading up tweets, hardly composed scholarly works, and the opinions of prejudiced observers.

Taking just one of your dot points

• "Leftists were sending mail bombs to democrats as a false flag operation, Trump supporter arrested for it, no retraction just deletes the tweets"

Here's what the Southern Poverty Law Centre says about Owens' tweet

"Turning Point USA’s Candace Owens tweeted: “I’m going to go ahead and state that there is a 0% chance that these ‘suspicious packages’ were sent out by conservatives,” she wrote. “The only thing ‘suspicious’ about these packages, is their timing. Caravans, fake bomb threats—these leftists are going ALL out OUT for midterms.” She, too, deleted it later."

She doesn't accuse anyone, left or right, of sending those packages, just that it wasn't conservatives. The bit about leftists is fake bomb threats and the fuss they are making of it (my interpretation), not that they planted the bombs or whatever. That's not what you say she says.

Mail-bomber 'false flag' theories overwhelm discourse on terrorism

This stuff's happening on the other side of the World, you're relying upon material selected by your favourite commentators / publications etc. I like what little I've seen and read of her opinions but not enough to get involved in arguments with zealots (sorry, I can't think of a better word off the top of my head, no offence to you intended).

 

[the_interloper]

Nope. She believes in racism just that it’s white people who are the victims.


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She's a conservative basically, and she works well as a right wing commentator because she's a woman of colour, so the white/straight/male card can't be played against her, I feel this is why The Daily Wire love her so much.

What she proves is that colour or sex matters less than values, can't say I've heard anyone mention it's great to see a woman of colour in such a prominent media position.