Opinion Can't kick, can't play football

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In Kane's column today he writes:

"Port Adelaide kicked the ball at 54% efficiency against Fremantle on Saturday. The Dockers were at 64%. Port Adelaide is now ranked 16th of 18 in the AFL for kicking efficiency."

I know everyone has their theory about what's gone wrong, ie effort, intent, game plan, injuries etc but to me kicking is a fundamental foundation of the game and the can't kick, can't play football is the greatest and truest cliche in football.

That's why its called football, not handball, not runningball, not punchingball, but football, so using your foot and feet properly is fundamental to the game.

Last year when we lost games, especially at AO, that we should have won or done better than we did, we were kicking at 51%-56%, the Richmond game, the second half of WCE, the Geelong game stand out as hitting those lows efficiency percentages. I'm pretty sure the same thing happened with the Brisbane and Carlton game, but I listen to the radio when at AO and they regularly give you kicking stats, thru each quarter as well as the game, where as on TV they don't.

In the AFL record they list individual player champion data stats and separate them into position, and then give AFL averages for those positions which in round numbers are
Ruckmen 59%
Forwards 62%
Midfielders 61%
Defenders 75%

That means an AFL side average kicking efficiency is about 63-64%, given most players fall into mid field, so the 75% for defenders would only raise the average 2 or 3% above the mids.

For me our bad kicking is fundamental to our failure over the last 2 years. I like to use the house and foundation analogy. If your house has a good foundation then it can survive a good shake from an earthquake. So if we have good kicking we can survive high pressure from the opposition ala Hawthorn. The stronger the foundation the greater the earthquake force the house can handle before it succumbs.

So if you live in a high earthquake zone like San Francisco you have to design more intelligent and flexible foundations that sway with the earthquake forces. I'm not sure if our more complicated game plan needs better than average kicking skills, but I know that when we are less than average we usually fail.

In the 2016-17 preseason, we have to concentrate on our kicking skills if we want to climb the ladder. We also have to improve our decision making so that when we kick the ball we take the right option where to kick it to and which player to kick it to. Turnovers kill all sides but they seem to hurt us as much as any side in the AFL. Decision making and good kicking are both independent of each other and intertwined. So we should be improving both facets.

Our recruiters and list managers also have to start to select players who have elite kicking skills, because if you can't kick you shouldn't be playing AFL football for Port!
 
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Looks like our defenders are doing the heavy lifting this year.

Krak 75%
Pittard 78%
DBJ 81%
Hombsch 84% :eek:

Well above average. Bravo.
Where did you get those kicking stats? AFL Record? If not do you have a linky?
 
Where did you get those kicking stats? AFL Record? If not do you have a linky?

Nah just had a quick look at the AFL app. But I just realised that the figures are actually disposal efficiency, not exclusively kicking efficiency. So they're probably around the mark but obviously not exact.

My bad. :drunk:
 
Almost all defenders have high disposal efficiency no matter who they play for. Not sure why? Maybe they have more space to operate in? Most teams normally have a spare man in defense so easier to find a target?
 
Is it true that Ollie, Robbie and Brad are all in the top 5 for most clangers in the afl?
2016
2nd Ollie - 4.6 cpg
3rd Gray - 4.5 cpg
4th Ebert - 4.4 cpg
85th O'shea - 3 cpg
85th Pittard - 3 cpg
85th Boak - 3 cpg

1st for most clangers.
56.5 per game. aFL Average of 50.6.​
16th in Disposal Eff%
71.4%. aFL Average of 73.4%​
1st in 1%s
61.4 per game. AFL average of 48.​
2nd in tackles (only because sydney had 155 last week)
85.2 per game. AFL average of 71.3
Can't keep the ball and spend too much time trying to stop the other team from having it. Stop running Darren and get them to learn how to kick.
 
Almost all defenders have high disposal efficiency no matter who they play for. Not sure why? Maybe they have more space to operate in? Most teams normally have a spare man in defense so easier to find a target?
Its all those little chip kicks across the ground as the opposition zone off trying to block the longer forward kick. They aren't necessarily better kicks, just have less pressure on them over a game than the mids and forwards.

Ruckmen are just generally poor kicks. That's why you stick to the rule never handball to a ruckmen, unless they can kick like Lade used to.
 
We need to be coached to our strengths. If kicking is our downfall then shake things up a bit to minimise the damage with the list that we have.

Polec needs to play. I know defence first is the mantra, but he's an upgrade on our other midfielders. We don't have many elite kicks so he needs to stay in.

Ebert should be used exclusively as a tagger. His strength is running all day. If he can nullify opposition midfielders then job done.

Get Hartlett away from the backlines. He gives a goal away most games from a poor kick. Have him at half forward where the turnover won't be so disastrous.

Take time to go back and slot the goal. Ice the clock, use the full 30 seconds. Know when is the right time to play on and be risky and when to catch your breath.

Also, when we go from coast to coast, can we kick longer and expect to beat our direct opponent. You know why the Crows look so dangerous in their forward line? Their midfielders kick it long to a contest as often as possible. We either chip it around the wing or try a series of handballs through the middle. Kick long, RUN HARD, win the contest and take your time with the shot. Stop being cute about it.
 
Not sure that I agree entirely with the premise of this thread. I reckon these stats are influenced a bit by game style. On visual inspection, our games are a lot more clogged up and a lot less free flowing than the average AFL game. Certainly the number of clearances in our games seems to reflect this. So we've got a lot more hurried kicks out of packs (Wines' disposal efficiency in particular suffers from this) and more kicks to contests where we are outnumbered.

Don't get me wrong, our kicking certainly isn't Hawthorn-esque. But I'm not convinced it's our major problem either.
 

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Not sure that I agree entirely with the premise of this thread. I reckon these stats are influenced a bit by game style. On visual inspection, our games are a lot more clogged up and a lot less free flowing than the average AFL game. Certainly the number of clearances in our games seems to reflect this. So we've got a lot more hurried kicks out of packs (Wines' disposal efficiency in particular suffers from this) and more kicks to contests where we are outnumbered.

Don't get me wrong, our kicking certainly isn't Hawthorn-esque. But I'm not convinced it's our major problem either.
Its a fundamental problem. Just like a foundation isn't seen and isn't the major part of the building, the same is with our kicking. It might not be top of the list of our problems, but if it doesnt improve substantially, forget climbing the ladder.
 
I have said it before here, learn to kick with both feet and handball with both hands.
How can you be a professional footballer and not be able to do this?
Bonner is going to be important for our future.
Krakouer, Pittard and Polec (+Dixon and Schulz in terms of goal scoring accuracy) are our other accurate mainstays in terms of kicking ability, although I think only Pittard is trying to develop a 2 sided capability.
 
Man this is scary. Voss and his group need to have a good hard look at themselves.
OR in reality, the players who we are paying hundreds of thousands of dollars should have a hard look at themselves.

Why haven't they gone out of their way to improve their skills, why haven't they been doing extra skills sessions on days off.
 
2016
2nd Ollie - 4.6 cpg
3rd Gray - 4.5 cpg
4th Ebert - 4.4 cpg
85th O'shea - 3 cpg
85th Pittard - 3 cpg
85th Boak - 3 cpg

So O'Shea averages 12 disposals a game off of half back but averages 3 clangers per game? That is utterly disgraceful.
 
OR in reality, the players who we are paying hundreds of thousands of dollars should have a hard look at themselves.

Why haven't they gone out of their way to improve their skills, why haven't they been doing extra skills sessions on days off.
Yeah. But I was referring to the entire midfield group who is lead by voss.
 
So O'Shea averages 12 disposals a game off of half back but averages 3 clangers per game? That is utterly disgraceful.
Clangers aren't actually exclusively disposals


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clanger_(Australian_rules_football)
"A clanger in Australian rules football is a term coined by Champion Data founder Ted Hopkins which refers to a turnover or a silly mistake made by a player.[1] Its vague description in statistical tables is "errors including frees against".

Examples of clangers include,
  • Any disposal or deliberate knock-on that goes directly to an opposition player.[2]
  • Any free kick conceded
  • Dropped marks or fumbles under no pressure
  • 50-metre penalties conceded
  • A Ball-Up Kick In (Stepping over the line when kicking in after a behind)"


So 1.2 of his 3 clangers per game are from giving away free kicks.
 
OR in reality, the players who we are paying hundreds of thousands of dollars should have a hard look at themselves.

Why haven't they gone out of their way to improve their skills, why haven't they been doing extra skills sessions on days off.
These players were pretty raw in 2014.. they still needed guidance and coaching and the finger has to be pointed at Voss and co
 
I get your point but I am a little tired of seeing singular issues being posted as the "major issue" with port adelaide or if we fixed 1 thing we would be fine. We have so many problems at the moment, kicking efficiency is one of them but there are a whole lot of other issues as well. Is kicking efficiency just a side effect of poor coaching and game plans? Is it a side effect of poor recruiting? Our kicking inside 50 is appalling but is that to do with the way the forward structure works? Really we probably don't know and I actually don't think anyone at the club does either. Mu opinion as you all know is the leaders and the coaching staff are the major issue with the club, but is that the actual reason we are so sh*t. I guess time will tell.
 

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