Captaincy / Leadership group

[lioninthesand]

I think both clubs felt like it was put to bed but gawn and petracca came out and had their say yet again. I feel like

I completely agree with you. He has been pretty cornered in all of this. Players and media people keep taking swings. Fair enough he gets his say and attempt to explain what happened. He will probably get smashed again in the media after the interview but I can certainly understand why he has had his say.

But he hasn’t gained anything interms of clearing his name or having his say, zero.

No one is gonna care he was sledged, he said he was the only one that crosssed the line.

All he looks like now is he isn’t truely remorseful and more interested in wriggling out of responsibility than learning from it.

If a player from another club made a similar sledge to Jarrod Berry then backed it up with that interview, we would be appalled.

 

[Section 5]

Massive beat up. If Zorko was retaliating to a “hope your dad whatever” comment he can’t come out and say that because he’d be then labelled a sook, regardless that Petty became the first and only to actually sook over a sledge.

Can't you get off the "Petty is a sook " theme you are running with

 

[Ceebee]

He can’t hide forever .

Better now than next week .

 

[lioninthesand]

He didn't come across (to me ) as if he thinks he's not in the wrong.

He was asked leading questions which tried to get him to absolve responsibility but he didn't.

This sort of response is why he shouldn't have done this interview. People who already have their mind made up will go in even harder . Because he's already disliked.

This is probably the best way to sum it up, not surprised he botched the interview, he isn’t a great media performer.

But the issue more is why speak? He didn’t need to and it achieved NOTHING but more anger and hatred toward him.

 

[Lets Roar like '44]

Can't you get off the "Petty is a sook " theme you are running with

As aposed to Zorko is a big scary angry monster that some seem to think he is. Petty was happy with the outcome with Zorko and can hardly blame him with the way he reacted.

 

[M Malice]

He can’t hide forever .

Better now than next week .

Spot on, rip the band aid off now, no doubt he will still be asked about it in the pressers next week leading up to the game, now he can say I have addressed that issue and would like to move on... have you got any questions about the game on Thursday night.

 

[lioninthesand]

As aposed to Zorko is a big scary angry monster that some seem to think he is. Petty was happy with the outcome with Zorko and can hardly blame him with the he way he reacted.

Everyone was happy and ready to move on, Zorks has sort to dig it all up and out it back on trial.

 

[LIONS08]

But he hasn’t gained anything interms of clearing his name or having his say, zero.

No one is gonna care he was sledged, he said he was the only one that crosssed the line.

All he looks like now is he isn’t truely remorseful and more interested in wriggling out of responsibility than learning from it.

If a player from another club made a similar sledge to Jarrod Berry then backed it up with that interview, we would be appalled.

He in no way was trying to clear his name. He was clearly remorseful and took complete responsibility. He was just trying to explain why what happened occurred.

You are entitled to your opinion… all I am attempting to do is explain mine.

Once again, I don’t condone bringing family into sledging… but you are making out that every player knows every other players family members health issues. The Berry brothers circumstance is very well publicised

 

[Squizz89]

 

[LIONS08]

Everyone was happy and ready to move on, Zorks has sort to dig it all up and out it back on trial.

So what about max gawn and petracca making comments in the media the last few days… they have forced zorks to have his say in my opinion.

 

[Roylion]

Fair enough he gets his say.

Definitely. He should have had his say. The main points...

Acknowledged he crossed the line.

“I apologised to Harrison on the final siren and obviously that apology still stands. My remorse still stands. If I could take it back, there’s no doubt I would."

"Harrison accepted my apology straight after the game and said to me that during the heat of the battle things are said."

In response to a question from Andrew Gaze whether any comments that were said to Zorko crossed the line, Zorko replied:

"Potentially. But for me personally I need to acknowledge that what I said crossed the line. Through the heat of battle words are said and for me, in this case, I overstepped the mark. Moving forward I need to learn from this and potentially the whole industry can learn from this and understand that sledging can have serious effects on people and we need to be extremely careful in the way we do it.”

Also said that he has "extremely long conversations with our senior adminstration at the club. They've heard both sides of the story. It should be known that I take my role as captain extremely seriously and have ever since I took over five years ago."

"I just reckon it’s really important that Lions fans and fans in general understand that it wasn’t just an unprovoked sledge, and it wasn’t said in isolation ... it was to-ing and fro-ing for the majority of the game and remorsefully I accept that I’ve overstepped the mark."

"From my understanding the AFL was understanding of what had happened throughout the match and were happy to let it go as well."

Regarding his team-mates' reaction...

"The boys were super supportive, the club was super supportive and understood that things were said throughout the game and I had crossed the line."

 

[lioninthesand]

He in no way was trying to clear his name. He was clearly remorseful and took complete responsibility. He was just trying to explain why what happened occurred.

You are entitled to your opinion… all I am attempting to do is explain mine.

Once again, I don’t condone bringing family into sledging… but you are making out that every player knows every other players family members health issues. The Berry brothers circumstance is very well publicised

Where did I say you wernt entitied to your opinion, we are just having a debate on a complex issue arn’t we?

Are you now suggesting Zorko didn’t know about his Mums health condition?

That’s a new one.

 

[T Rick]

I'm pleased Zorks fronted the situation. I'm not sure what more he can do or what more he can say at this stage. The damage has been done and he has acknowledged his wrongdoing over and over. The captaincy issue will rest with the Club and players in due course.

 

[lioninthesand]

So what about max gawn and petracca making comments in the media the last few days… they have forced zorks to have his say in my opinion.

They reiterated the contents of both the Lions and Dees statements, they simply reaffirmed the agreed outcome and public position of both clubs.

Zorko has come out and completely attempted to change the narrative, and reignite debate on the issue about provocation and his liability.

I don’t see how those players speaking justifies his response.

 

[CarterS]

Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Thought he was fine on the radio. He's getting criticised either way so he may as well defend himself. Hodge also said this morning on the radio that Melbourne got very personal with their sledging last time he played while also acknowledging DZ crossed the line and not defending him.

 

[LIONS08]

Where did I say you wernt entitied to your opinion, we are just having a debate on a complex issue arn’t we?

Are you now suggesting Zorko didn’t know about his Mums health condition?

That’s a new one.

When did I say that? You interpreted what I said incorrectly there…

 

[LIONS08]

They reiterated the contents of both the Lions and Dees statements, they simply reaffirmed the agreed outcome and public position of both clubs.

Zorko has come out and completely attempted to change the narrative, and reignite debate on the issue about provocation and his liability.

I don’t see how those players speaking justifies his response.

I don’t take it that way what so ever. You clearly have your mind made up as do I…. We are just wasting time here

 

[Section 5]

As aposed to Zorko is a big scary angry monster that some seem to think he is. Petty was happy with the outcome with Zorko and can hardly blame him with the way he reacted.

I have not noticed any poster stating Zorko is a "monster"
How do you know Petty was happy with the outcome. They shook hands that is all. Better than thumping the guy
We all know Zorko likes to shake hands

It is your inference that Petty is a sook that is very annoying
I assume players that break down every year after loosing a grand Final are all sooks in your mind

 

[Elixuh]

People should just listen to the SEN interview and not read any further media commentary on this. The interview was fine.

Some people are also going to have to take a more balanced and nuanced approach. A couple of points:

• Zorko has acknowledged that he made a mistake and apologised.
• Zorko wasn't making excuses for his remark, he provided context given the over the top media coverage - he still copped the mistake and owned it.
• What Zorko said is consistent with what people in the media have been saying (ie that the Melbourne boys had thrown a number of ordinary sledges which objectively probably crossed the line as well).
• We don't want this bleeding into next week. If he doesn't speak now then it'll just get raised in the lead up to the final.
• I am happy to be corrected but Zorko would not have done any media without the club's approval.

I think we all need to move on, there is really nothing left to say.

 

[Lockie]

I just listened to the interview. I’m am and was not a fan of Zorko before this and Im very annoyed about what he did in Thursday night, but I thought he came across ok. He specifically mentioned on numerous occasions his remorse, his wanting to learn from this and the embarrassment he had caused the club, his family etc but also that that was nothing in comparison to what Harris family felt/was feeling. Andy Maher probed him as to what the Melbourne players might have done in regards to their sledging and he didn’t get drawn into it. I really don’t know what else people want him to do - there has been constant press about this in Melbourne - 360 fox show asked Hawkins and Riewoldt about it and the later went on about it - it’s written about in the Melbourne papers, on talk back etc so I feel as though Zorko did need to come out and saying something. Zorko has obviously learnt from this and wants to be a better person and leader and has apologised profusely. While that doesn‘t excuse his behaviour - at least he sounded sincere in regards to making amends. Isnt that we want people to do when they make a mistake - take ownership, apologise and learn from it?

 

[CarterS]

Re Captaincy I'd consider Jarrod Berry

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Jarrod Berry

Age

26

Ht

193cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.4

4star

K

8.5

3star

HB

8.9

5star

M

3.9

4star

T

4.2

5star

CL

2.7

4star

D

17.0

4star

K

9.4

4star

HB

7.6

4star

M

3.6

4star

T

5.1

5star

CL

2.9

4star

D

10.6

3star

K

4.4

2star

HB

6.2

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.8

5star

CL

0.8

3star

next year for captain and or put Bailey in the leadership group.

 

[lioninthesand]

I don’t take it that way what so ever. You clearly have your mind made up as do I…. We are just wasting time here

I Don’t see it as a wasting time, it’s just a discussion regarding the biggest issue our club has faced in 5 years. Happy to discontinue the line or debate though, we will probably go around in circles as you’ve said

 

[BRAB]

Definitely. He should have had his say. The main points...

Acknowledged he crossed the line.

“I apologised to Harrison on the final siren and obviously that apology still stands. My remorse still stands. If I could take it back, there’s no doubt I would."

"Harrison accepted my apology straight after the game and said to me that during the heat of the battle things are said."

In response to a question from Andrew Gaze whether any comments that were said to Zorko crossed the line, Zorko replied:

"Potentially. But for me personally I need to acknowledge that what I said crossed the line. Through the heat of battle words are said and for me, in this case, I overstepped the mark. Moving forward I need to learn from this and potentially the whole industry can learn from this and understand that sledging can have serious effects on people and we need to be extremely careful in the way we do it.”

Also said that he has "extremely long conversations with our senior adminstration at the club. They've heard both sides of the story. It should be knowm that I take my role as captain extremely seriously and have ever since I took over five years ago."

"I just reckon it’s really important that Lions fans and fans in general understand that it wasn’t just an unprovoked sledge, and it wasn’t said in isolation ... it was to-ing and fro-ing for the majority of the game and remorsefully I accept that I’ve overstepped the mark."

"From my understanding the AFL was understanding of what had happened throughout the match and were happy to let it go as well."

Regarding his team-mates' reaction...

"The boys were super supportive, the club was super supportive and understood that things were said throughout the game and I had crossed the line."

I love how this is what the media run with from that interview

 

[Elixuh]

I love how this is what the media run with from that interview

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Yeah, so this is why people need to stop listening to media commentary and just listen to the interview. These fox journos are being paid minimum wage to clickbait you.

 

[Squizz89]

I know a lot has been said about Zorko continuing or not with the captaincy next year, but does his form/struggles with his body even warrant a contract extension let alone the captaincy?