So do all the other teams - but they can't have him
Review Cats turn Lions into wet pussies at the Gabba by 26 points
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He said that his opinion on it shouldn’t matter. I found his answer fair, he doesn’t have all the information, especially with concussion. In the past he would say ‘it looked like the minor end’ but there’s protocols in place. His answer was fair.
I don’t understand the obsession with knowing all the details of a players injuries, even when they’re due back, it’s not an exact science. People are to used to having all the information at hand immediately these days, a bit of mystery is a good thing.
They can still interchange whenever they want, the only issue is that the ground is so large that it's tough to get a runner out and a change happening!
Completely disagree with you. He's the head coach, so he (a) doesn't have all the information at hand, (b) doesn't have a medical degree, and (c) is completely biased toward wanting players back ASAP.
Besides, you don't really know how bad a concussion is or isn't for a couple of days. Just chill out and wait for the injury update.
It is one thing that irritates me a little (and it's not just you at all) - it's fans wanting an immediate answer on this or that. Who cares when we know if he'll miss two weeks or four? It'll play out in its own time.
It’s more than endurance base. Clark is struggling to find enough of the ball for a midfield, and then when he does find it, his disposal has been statistically pretty horrible.
He’s flashed some exciting pressure moments but it looks to me like he has a long way to go if he’s to cement a regular spot. Quite frankly I don’t get why he’s been anointed a future stat.
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You might have missed the bit where I said my concern is for Tom's health, it's not having an immediate answer on his playing future. I understand mild brain injury, and don't need to chill, perhaps I have more of an investment in knowing he's okay without the need to text needlessly. An admission that he most likely has a concussion but seems to be doing well would allay anxiety for everyone, not just me, but it's beyond Scott in case he gets it wrong. In other words, the medical staff he has spoken too are unsure which is fair enough, but Scott won't even comment in a sympathetic manner on what is obvious. He could still do that and cover his arse at the same time.
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He was and i liked his game but we need to be realistic in that the wet track suited him. 1. Because it slows everyone down which negates his speed issues and 2. It turned the game into a slippery game where no one could dispose well and it became territory surge. Which both hides his kicking issues and suits his pressure game. Ill be very interested to see how he goes vs a good midfield this week if its in the dry.
Hes definitely improving for sure but i still dont think hes positionally versatile in the way atkins,bowes, oconnor etc are.
Now if he keeps putting up great games maybe they will do something radical like move guthrie out of the midfield etc but i doubt it. The more simple answer would be to keep the starting midfield we had (before guthrie got injured) pick the multi position guys around that and leave parfitt out. But he deserves credit for his last month for sure.
Kobe Gryant
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He's basically in his first season after being out for 6 months with injury.
Even worse when it's a foot, so his conditioning is going to suffer because he can hardly move for months.
He's 10-15kgs under his ideal playing weight, and you've chosen now to pick on him?
The expectations should be virtually zero until 2026, which would basically be year 3 for him. He needs games, plenty of time in the gym, and we'll reassess at a later date.
We've got a list a mile long (with plenty of them in the side right now) of players who were written off for no good reason, and now we've got another one.
Being first doesn't equal being right, but some will just never learn that.
Clark will be a slow burn. Not unlike Bruhn, tough for a youngster in that combative midfield role. The tackles are not sticking.
He will emerge when he gets some size on.
Exactly my thoughts on Clark... The kid is just too small and not strong enough at the moment.
He is bouncing off guys he is trying to tackle.
He isn't a silky outside type that we can plonk on a flank... He is playing where the heavy hitters are and is just 19.
He's probably gonna need a couple more years, just to put the size on his frame.
I reckon he will find himself out of the side this week... Having some big VFL games wouldn't hurt imo.
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Nice read from Robbo in his Tackle column this evening.
5. The next generation
Geelong is the envy of the competition. Most outsiders tipped the Cats to again miss the eight after finishing 12th in 2023, but those outsiders now look foolish. The Cats are the only unbeaten team this season. The envy comes because the question is asked: How do they do it? At a guess, it’s because they have a master coach who demands and drives process and role, they have Nigel Lappin’s footy nous as Chris Scott’s offsider, their recruiting is ace and their development program is second-to-none. The Cats grinded Brisbane into the Gabba turf on Saturday night. In constant rain, it wasn’t because Jeremy Cameron dominated, or Tom Hawkins kicked goals, or Patrick Dangerfield put on his cap.
![[PLAYERCARD]Tyson Stengle[/PLAYERCARD] is one of the Cats’ next generation who stood up in Brisbane. Picture: Russell Freeman/AFL Photos via Getty Images.](/forum/proxy.php?image=https%3A%2F%2Fcontent.api.news%2Fv3%2Fimages%2Fbin%2F1ee51cd5fc74feeeed4aee05bf08eeb7&hash=3d26e7800c1255c9986024a0dee79c43 "[PLAYERCARD]Tyson Stengle[/PLAYERCARD] is one of the Cats’ next generation who stood up in Brisbane. Picture: Russell Freeman/AFL Photos via Getty Images.")
Tyson Stengle is one of the Cats’ next generation who stood up in Brisbane. Picture: Russell Freeman/AFL Photos via Getty Images.
It wasn’t even won with Tom Stewart (concussion) controlling the back half. It was one because the next generation took control. The highest ranked Geelong players on Saturday night, in order, were Jack Bowes, Tyson Stengle, Max Holmes, Zach Guthrie, Mitch Duncan, Brad Close, Tom Atkins, Gryan Miers and Tanner Bruhn. They were a trade in, a delisted free agent, a pick No. 20, a rookie draftee, a rookie draftee, a rookie draftee, a pick No. 57 and a trade in. The only veteran among that lot is Duncan, who is 32 and was drafted back in 2009. The next generation aren’t kids mind you, although most of them were not even teenagers when Duncan started.
5. The next generation
Geelong is the envy of the competition. Most outsiders tipped the Cats to again miss the eight after finishing 12th in 2023, but those outsiders now look foolish. The Cats are the only unbeaten team this season. The envy comes because the question is asked: How do they do it? At a guess, it’s because they have a master coach who demands and drives process and role, they have Nigel Lappin’s footy nous as Chris Scott’s offsider, their recruiting is ace and their development program is second-to-none. The Cats grinded Brisbane into the Gabba turf on Saturday night. In constant rain, it wasn’t because Jeremy Cameron dominated, or Tom Hawkins kicked goals, or Patrick Dangerfield put on his cap.
Tyson Stengle is one of the Cats’ next generation who stood up in Brisbane. Picture: Russell Freeman/AFL Photos via Getty Images.
It wasn’t even won with Tom Stewart (concussion) controlling the back half. It was one because the next generation took control. The highest ranked Geelong players on Saturday night, in order, were Jack Bowes, Tyson Stengle, Max Holmes, Zach Guthrie, Mitch Duncan, Brad Close, Tom Atkins, Gryan Miers and Tanner Bruhn. They were a trade in, a delisted free agent, a pick No. 20, a rookie draftee, a rookie draftee, a rookie draftee, a pick No. 57 and a trade in. The only veteran among that lot is Duncan, who is 32 and was drafted back in 2009. The next generation aren’t kids mind you, although most of them were not even teenagers when Duncan started.
Kobe Gryant
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It says a bit about our expectations that starting to influence results in your 3rd or 4th year is considered a 'slow burn' though.
Even 10-15 years ago, that was considered normal, and it still should be.
We're not like the NFL were we're drafting 24 year olds, these guys are still kids.
I blame it on the draft becoming more of a mainstream event. It seems to have cut our tolerance of teething issues in young footballers in half.
There's the freaks who are integral by year one (Selwood, Reid, Daicos) but they're the outliers.
Almost everybody else has to hit that 50-70 game mark before they're considered non negotiable as best 22.
Or, you get guys like Taylor, Stephenson, or McGrath who light it up in year one and never get any better after that.
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On Clark, there is a middle ground between “bust” and incapable of being criticised.
He’s not an AFL standard midfielder at this stage. Any AFL games are learning experience. I said at the start of the year 10 games would be a great step forward. I remain of that view.
He’s not an AFL standard midfielder at this stage. Any AFL games are learning experience. I said at the start of the year 10 games would be a great step forward. I remain of that view.
Kobe Gryant
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It's BigFooty. There is no middle ground.
In Wells we trust.
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Preach
5 games into his AFL career and posters are already passing judgment on the kid
Just unbelievable
Is Toby Conway still eligible for the Rising Star? If so, 41 hitouts and some really intelligent play would make him a sneaky chance to get the nod this week.
High cats draft pick . Will get a lot of leeway before they call a bust (hopefully not)
I don’t think 2024 is his year.
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Im not as worries about disposal but ive seen enough good disposal from him to see that technically his kicking is good. The issue is he has no tank yet so hes doing everything under fatigue and making errors. Hes not best 22 yet i agree with you (but they will keep playing him as they want to fast track him) but long term the class is there. His will and want to win contests you cant teach.
Yes he is.
I’m not writing him off and my point is really to pump the break until 2026.
I’m saying he’s got a lot of development to make it to the star he’s being anointed and it’s really hard to tell at this early stage. It’d be one thing if he was like Constable (finding it) and just endurance need to improve. But his off the pace with skill, strength, and composure at this (early) stage.
It feels like the twilight zone in this forum sometimes. The talk of how great he’s going, and the obvious star he is gonna be. He’s being gifted games right now, and while I’m all for it, I can’t get behind the narrative that we have a clear star.
I keep saying it but "gifted" is the wrong word. We are investing games into him.
Aside from being 10kg too light, Clark hasn't done much wrong.
I don't think he'll get nominated this week. Was smashed by the Big O until the concussion, and although he grew into the game around the ground on a bad night for big men, the 41 hitouts are because he got to beat up on Daniher.
