Unofficial Preview Changes and Pre-match Discussion - Rd 13 vs Melbourne, 3.20pm Mon 13/06, MCG

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He actually turned sideways so that he could bring the Hawks player down using his momentum. He didn’t jump out the way.

Have another look at it.

Yeah I actually didn't mind this move because Newcombe would have run right through Ginni if he tried to tackle conventionally.

He still took every ounce of the hit from Newcombe, but he found a way to bring him to ground by basically throwing himself across his torso.
 
Best ruckman in the league Darcy Cameron to take Gawn to the cleaners
Just like Max Lynch did last year 💪
 
So if Mihocek needs to be rested with his knee, does Moore go forward and Kelly to defence?
Not sure there are many other options given our injuries to talls
Don’t think they would debut AJ off no VFL
 

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I don’t understand why people get so sensitive over players being called soft. Some of our players are soft, Buckley even said it…hard is Adams players that pull out or turn to avoid contact (Gini in the first quarter tackling) are soft….that’s a soft act. Doesn’t mean they don’t contribute in other ways…but the reality is carrying too many players that lose 1v1’s is a liability.

Sorry, what did Buckley say?


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So if Mihocek needs to be rested with his knee, does Moore go forward and Kelly to defence?
Not sure there are many other options given our injuries to talls
Don’t think they would debut AJ off no VFL

Who said he needs to be tested with his knee? He takes a lot of hits and it's an 8 day break between games. Or have I missed something?
 
Who said he needs to be tested with his knee? He takes a lot of hits and it's an 8 day break between games. Or have I missed something?
If he has strained a medial and is carrying some other niggles then the opportunity to give him a 2 week break might be too hard to overlook
 
Where is Finn Macrae at?
I initially had high hopes, might be time to reintroduce in place of Tyler for a stretch.
Maybe not this week as Elliott will be back but at some stage this year we need to firmly assess.
 
I mean, there's this new guy...

This 👆

The new guy always has superhero qualities. Fast. Hard. Durable. Beautiful kick. Solid contested mark. Can run all day. Especially if he’s not 181cm and not built like a bean pole.

The new guy always fills our gaps. He becomes that player who will take us to Premiership glory. Well, we don’t want to put a mozz on the lad which is why we don’t use the word ‘dynasty’, but that’s what we’re all quietly thinking.

We’ve got a bunch already on the list: Dean, Johnson, Draper, Murley, Krueger. We’re going to be unbeatable when they all get on the park.

And then the match committee goes and ruins it all by actually selecting them and then we get to see what they’re really like … 🤣
 
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Nope. The AFL players run faster and hit harder. Everything is done with more power and velocity. A so called tough suburban footballer would be hammered in the AFL due to his slower reaction time and leg speed. AFL players rarely struggle when they return to local footy because it is tougher and more contested-it's because they are generally older and way past their best. They also make great position but the players around them lack the ability to hit targets or use them.

Aaron Mullett returned to Mooroolbark after being delisted by Carlton. He was never a physical player but last weekend he had 37 possessions and kicked five goals in first division of the Eastern Football League. It's a good standard competition and he shines as do most ex AFL players who haven't got fat or too old.
I well remember blokes like John Scarlett and Kevin Higgins (both backmen at Geelong) coming back to GFL and dominating as key forwards. Scarlett was doing it in his 40s. The only competition "tougher" than AFL everwaVFA with 1 umpire and a dozen borderline criminals on either side
 
He actually turned sideways so that he could bring the Hawks player down using his momentum. He didn’t jump out the way.

Have another look at it.
Yep, and my immediate reaction prior to him turning sideways was this is going to hurt when he meets him front on…Adams, would have met him front on. Turning that way minimised the danger to himself, it’s remarkable he still managed to stick the tackle without his opponent disposing of the ball. From memory he managed to take his right arm? Percentage play would have been to tackle him as he stood…but that would have hurt.
 

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I don’t understand why people get so sensitive over players being called soft. Some of our players are soft, Buckley even said it…hard is Adams players that pull out or turn to avoid contact (Gini in the first quarter tackling) are soft….that’s a soft act. Doesn’t mean they don’t contribute in other ways…but the reality is carrying too many players that lose 1v1’s is a liability.
I can't believe that after 16 years of watching Pendles not body line the ball in order to pluck it and avoid the tackle, people still assume its soft when someone else tries to do the same thing. Ditto when they try to tap it to keep the ball moving and get back on to it, when taking it was going to result in them getting wrapped up. The "soft" play is often the most attacking play, and the better option than just picking it up and getting immediately wrapped up in a show of hard straight line intent. Ball handling has improved so much that straight lines aren't necessarily the percentage play.
 
I can't believe that after 16 years of watching Pendles not body line the ball in order to pluck it and avoid the tackle, people still assume its soft when someone else tries to do the same thing. Ditto when they try to tap it to keep the ball moving and get back on to it, when taking it was going to result in them getting wrapped up. The "soft" play is often the most attacking play, and the better option than just picking it up and getting immediately wrapped up in a show of hard straight line intent. Ball handling has improved so much that straight lines aren't necessarily the percentage play.
That’s right Pendles is an example of a player who has made career out of doing just enough of the tough stuff. And yes there are moments when a tackle isn’t the best option.

My immediate instinct just prior to the Ginivan turn was we really need to kill the ball here…he manages to do that but not in the most effective way possible. For me the percentage play was to meet the player front on.
 
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That quote wasn’t calling a particular player “soft”.


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That’s right. But highlighted we had an issue with players going too soft. Which goes to my original point that we carry too many soft players at times. Too much is left to Grundy and Adams through the middle…Elliot Mihocek forward…Moore and Howe back.
 
That’s right Pendles is an example of player who has made career out of doing just enough of the tough stuff. And yes there are moments when a tackle isn’t the best option.

My immediate instinct just prior to the Ginivan turn was we really need to kill the ball here…he manages to do that but not in the most effective way possible. For me the percentage play was to meet the player front on.
I was talking about the ball in dispute - I wasn't really talking about the ginnivan tackle - I've never seen anyone do what I think Ginnivan did - I think him turning and almost flopping himself sideways was to get low enough to avoid giving away a high tackle. Adams would have crashed in and got him high there. That was my impression at the time. But would need to see it again.
 
That’s right. But highlighted we had an issue with players going too soft. Which goes to my original point that we carry too many soft players at times. Too much is left to Grundy and Adams through the middle…Elliot Mihocek forward…Moore and Howe back.
Really not following your definition of soft, maybe you are talking more about "outside" players? If you are suggesting the named players are the "hard" ones in our team then you are leaving out a few who appear to relish the physical contest more than others.

Anyway, whilst WHE might not be enjoying as good a time of it as say 2018, he still plays a role. He has never been dropped (comparing him to Aish and Phillips - at least while they were at Pies - is laughable. Although Aishy seems to have come good at Freo) and is rarely injured.
 
We will shout twice as loud on your behalf. I only realised today it's a home game and I for one will not miss this!
Thank you not a big voice at the footy, too tense, but I do get uptight at blatant umpiring decisions and stand and cheer great plays.

I also never boo.
 
Thank you not a big voice at the footy, too tense, but I do get uptight at blatant umpiring decisions and stand and cheer great plays.

I also never boo.
I can't make any promises... Any more 'slide tackle' business and I will start the revolution.
 
Where is Finn Macrae at?
I initially had high hopes, might be time to reintroduce in place of Tyler for a stretch.
Maybe not this week as Elliott will be back but at some stage this year we need to firmly assess.
Second year player performing well in the vfl. Had a very good game on weekend. Just needs to build tank and play 4 quarters. Tracking nicely IMO and as expected for a second year mid with covid interruptions last season as well.
 
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