Strategy Changes & Pre-match Discussion - PF vs. GWS, MCG 22/9 7:50pm

[sr36]

I'm totally with you on this Spinny. No way Lipinski can perform a similar role to Adams.
This stuff is obvious but it seems it's gotta be said anyway..
Both "grunt" and "extractor" implies you are a bottom of the pack, in and under first hands-on player who never shirks at the physical contest. Its a role that is based around stoppages and pack contests. You win the ball at the coal face and feed it out to others. Lipinski is one of the players these guys feed it out to, not the other way round.
These players have to be prepared spend a lot of time on the ground wrestling with other players for the ball, especially in wet. The role requires an uncompromising and unflinching attack on the footy. That ain't Lipinski.

Lipinski is most definately NOT suited to that role and has never shown he can play that style of football. Kinda the opposite in fact.
Imagine a super high pressure, high stoppage game in the wet and we are relying on Lipinski to be one of our players burrowing into packs to extract the ball instead of Adams, against the likes of Cripps

The point of Scodog10 that you're missing is that the main hitout target - the first possession guy - doesn't have to be the stereotype of the tunnel vision hard nut like Adams. Nick Daicos will play a heap of his career as the hitout target.

Our go to structure will be Mitchell as the hitout target or as Sco is calling the extractor. Pendles sweeping the back of the pack and Jordy getting on the move trying to flash through and burst from stoppage.

However, I don't think it'll be Lippa who plays Adam's role of being the hitout target when Mitchell is rotating. I think it'll be Nick Daicos.

 

[magpienato]

People weren't "convinced in our form" even before the Melbourne game and we went ahead and had them beat by 3QT. And let's not pretend people weren't rating Melbourne as flag smokeys as well.

Credit to the GWS team, they've played well to get to the point they're at now, but people thinking they're the 2000 Bombers after beating St Kilda and Port Adelaide, sides without a defensive bone in them. People talking up the Giants (almost never actual Giants fans btw) are insecure, and dare I say, a little bit scared of the prospect of Collingwood winning a flag.

 

[BEEG]

Last time we played GWS they had a couple out.

IQ should get the chance at Toby.

Moore to Hogan.

Murphy to Riccardi.

WHE and Maynard to Daniels and Bedford.

 

[NMBB]

JFN has speed, guts (for his size) and grit/ determination - might be an option for a run in the midfield - why not spring a finals surprise?

 

[unplugged]

Hopefully GWS fading late is similar to Sydney in the PF last year where they went in and flopped hard in the grand final against Geelong.

Yes Port didn't come steaming home but they kicked 1.9

 

[Stoods]

I remember being at the GWS game earlier in the season where we smashed them, I believe it was on mothers day, so you know what we need, Beau McCreerys mum to give another speech!

I remember Cox dominating that game though, he was marking everything! But that was against Flynn and not Briggs.

I trust Fly will get the boys prepared for the game and not let GWS surprise us like they did in 2019 or like they did to Port last night, this is our best chance in a long time so come on pies make the most of it!!

GWS were good last night yes, but Ports defence was trash and their midfield essentially let GWS just walk it out at times. They also kicked 1.9 in the last qtr so if they kicked straight (a few very very gettable shots) then who knows what happens.

 

[Scritchyscroony]

The point of Scodog10 that you're missing is that the main hitout target - the first possession guy - doesn't have to be the stereotype of the tunnel vision hard nut like Adams. Nick Daicos will play a heap of his career as the hitout target.

Our go to structure will be Mitchell as the hitout target or as Sco is calling the extractor. Pendles sweeping the back of the pack and Jordy getting on the move trying to flash through and burst from stoppage.

However, I don't think it'll be Lippa who plays Adam's role of being the hitout target when Mitchell is rotating. I think it'll be Nick Daicos.

How many hit outs go to advantage on average again SR?
So you want to play Lipinski in Adams role around stoppages because you think he will somehow be the lucky recipient of lots of hitouts to advantage? And this will somehow compensate for his complete inability to scrap and fight for contested ball like Adams does when the ball hits the deck. Seriously? This is the plan???
Adams and Mitchell are last option targets for a hitout anyway and frankly it's a miniscule part of their role overall. Its Pendles or Degoey and now add in Daicos who are primarily targeted for hit outs to advantage.
Mitchell and Adams are there to be the first guys to fight for the ball at the bottom of stoppage packs when the hitouts are indecisive and it's a scrap like it is 90% of the time. That is overwhelmingly their primary role at stoppages. Lipinski is about the least suited mid we have for this function.

 

[well left]

Last time we played GWS they had a couple out.

IQ should get the chance at Toby.

Moore to Hogan.

Murphy to Riccardi.

WHE and Maynard to Daniels and Bedford.

I’m slightly different. I think we need IQ to go to Bedford and Bruz on Greene.

Markov has the speed to go with Daniels which leaves Howe and WHE on Lloyd and whoever else floats forward.


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[unplugged]

Nick Daicos for Adams

Noble sub in lieu of Ginnivan

Get it done

 

[stormskye]

Last time we played GWS they had a couple out.

IQ should get the chance at Toby.

Moore to Hogan.

Murphy to Riccardi.

WHE and Maynard to Daniels and Bedford.

We did to.

 

[PIEWITHSAUCE]

lol in what world is Lipinski a big bodied midfielder?

Lippa has also been referred to as an "inside mid" in this thread - he's about as "inside" as today's Sunday BBQ.

I'm one who thinks Adams' loss upsets our balance rather than fixes it - we'll just need to have strong plans for finding the right rotations through the centre to match GWS for ball winning .

 

[sr36]

How many hit outs go to advantage on average again SR?
So you want to play Lipinski in Adams role around stoppages because you think he will somehow be the lucky recipient of lots of hitouts to advantage? And this will somehow compensate for his complete inability to scrap and fight for contested ball like Adams does when the ball hits the deck. Seriously? This is the plan???
Adams and Mitchell are last option targets for a hitout anyway and frankly it's a miniscule part of their role overall. Its Pendles or Degoey and now add in Daicos who are primarily targeted for hit outs to advantage.
Mitchell and Adams are there to be the first guys to fight for the ball at the bottom of stoppage packs when the hitouts are indecisive and it's a scrap like it is 90% of the time. That is overwhelmingly their primary role at stoppages. Lipinski is about the least suited mid we have for this function.

How much of my post did you read before responding? I don't want them to play Lippa in the centre square which I said. I want it to be Daicos or alternatively Pendles who covers for Mitchell around stoppage.

A hit out to advantage doesn't have to put your teammate into the clear. It's when a teammate takes possession from the first touch after your hitout. (Or that's what's been explained to me). Mitchell would be on the end of the most. And clean and quick hands are more important than grunt. Call it the extractor, the hit out target, the bloke who starts on the side of the centre circle and thus gets clearer access, whatever, it doesn't have to be based on grunt. It's going to be Nick Daicos for most of his career.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

We did to.

They were missing Toby and Briggs.

Us McStay and Cameron.

Anyone else?

 

[stormskye]

They were missing Toby and Briggs.

Us McStay and Cameron.

Anyone else?

Howe.in fairness they were missing Taylor as well I think.

Point was whilst they had some strong outs, howe and mcstay are important to our structure. Cameron is whatever on form atm

 

[Apex36]

The team line up is balanced and ready to go. We should expect a strong performance.

Hopefully no repeat of the Buckley s**t show in 2019.

Look at our line up for the 2019 pre lim, woeful.

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Honestly I was thinking that team wasn’t too bad outside of Thomas in the starting 18, then I saw the bench. Aish, Mayne, Brown and Wills. Ooof.

 

[No SPIN]

Their midfield is dynamic, but feeds off pace and intelligent positioning more than inside mid power. That is why Nick Daicos coming in for us will be so important, even relative to the loss of Tay.
PA showed that when they lifted the pressure, GWS was stopped in their tracks. PA was unable to sustain the necessary levels for whatever reason, but we know that we can.
GWS blitzed Port in the 2nd, but could not sustain that level of frenetic energy for longer, as the rest of the game was equalised.
We will bring an energy to the game such that GWS will not know what hit them, given their finals experience thus far.
I am not overconfident: GWS has incredible skills in balking, and in speed.
But we won't be letting Hogan kick 4 goals, and Bergman showed the blueprint for controlling Toby Green.

Great post - GWS blitzed for 15 minutes in the 2nd, helped by PA’s poor defence. From there, they had their dominance subdued.
Our defence is streets ahead of PA’s and will be a major issue for GWS.

 

[sr36]

I remember being at the GWS game earlier in the season where we smashed them, I believe it was on mothers day, so you know what we need, Beau McCreerys mum to give another speech!

I remember Cox dominating that game though, he was marking everything! But that was against Flynn and not Briggs.

I trust Fly will get the boys prepared for the game and not let GWS surprise us like they did in 2019 or like they did to Port last night, this is our best chance in a long time so come on pies make the most of it!!

GWS were good last night yes, but Ports defence was trash and their midfield essentially let GWS just walk it out at times. They also kicked 1.9 in the last qtr so if they kicked straight (a few very very gettable shots) then who knows what happens.

Yep GWS exploited Ports two big weaknesses. Size in the middle and their defence. It'll be tougher for them against us, as we don't actually have any really obvious exploitable weaknesses - hence our ladder position.

 

[No SPIN]

Lipinski will be monstered by the GWS players, he’s too soft. Finals footy is not his bag, just like it wasn’t for Johnson and many others.

“Finals not his bag” ? - I reckon you should go back look at his finals games and stats, and then tell us why those performances were lacking. He was good.

 

[No SPIN]

There contested ball is phenomenal as well

We are ranked slightly ahead of them on CP differential.

 

[Chameleon75]

People weren't "convinced in our form" even before the Melbourne game and we went ahead and had them beat by 3QT. And let's not pretend people weren't rating Melbourne as flag smokeys as well.

Credit to the GWS team, they've played well to get to the point they're at now, but people thinking they're the 2000 Bombers after beating St Kilda and Port Adelaide, sides without a defensive bone in them. People talking up the Giants (almost never actual Giants fans btw) are insecure, and dare I say, a little bit scared of the prospect of Collingwood winning a flag.

not sure I’d describe st Kilda as not having a defensive bone, that’s pretty much all they do, kicking a score is their issue.

 

[domus]

Hopefully GWS fading late is similar to Sydney in the PF last year where they went in and flopped hard in the grand final against Geelong.

Yes Port didn't come steaming home but they kicked 1.9

They were the walking wounded when they played Richmond in that grand final. They have a healthy list and are playing great footy with momentum now.

 

[cfc19902010]

Last time we played GWS they had a couple out.

IQ should get the chance at Toby.

Moore to Hogan.

Murphy to Riccardi.

WHE and Maynard to Daniels and Bedford.

I think Murphy will be better closing down hogan
Darcy higher up the ground on Riccardi rather than deeper on hogan
Maynard has done the job on Toby before and has the aggression required to trouble him
I’d go iq on Bedford

 

[JB1975]

If our midfield misfires and puts the defence under the same pressure it suffered against Melbourne, we'll lose.

If JDG turns up and Nick plugs straight back in, we're wining.

 

[pharmafella]

Last time we played GWS they had a couple out.

IQ should get the chance at Toby.

Moore to Hogan.

Murphy to Riccardi.

WHE and Maynard to Daniels and Bedford.

Keeffe going forward will stretch us for height as it did against Port last night. I suppose if they have Riccardi, Hogan, and Keeffe all forwards they are losing a lot of forward pressure and hopefully we can launch out of the back half.

 

[windchimes]

They were the walking wounded when they played Richmond in that grand final. They have a healthy list and are playing great footy with momentum now.

Stop preparing your excuses.