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Just wondering if anyone has the full drafting notes that used to be available for some players.

Jones and McHenry are the ones Im looking for.

Curious to reread as I'd love to understand why we went with to 180cm mids with our two picks in '18.

Don't get me wrong, I think both will make it. Just curious.












8 Edward McHenry






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Height176cm
Weight71kg
Birthday July 13, 2000

DRAFT ANALYSIS: "A tenacious small midfielder/forward who has great evasion skills."

OVERVIEW
Edward “Ned” McHenry is a player who has not let size get in the way of his AFL dream. There are not too many mid-170cm players who are talked about as first-round prospects, but that is how impressive McHenry has been over the journey. While his size might put some clubs off, like any smaller player coming into AFL draft consideration, McHenry has plenty of impressive traits that catch the eye, and he is certainly going to be a handy pick-up for whichever club decides to draft him. He is smart with the ball in hand, can evade opponents and run all day long with an elite tank, while he can play inside or outside – though he does not mark as much as other midfielders – and he is a profound tackler who loves the defensive side of football as much as the offensive side of football. He will likely fulfil that small forward role at AFL level, providing plenty of defensive pressure, or he could pinch hit on the outside being the player to use the ball going inside 50, however he does have limited speed. Either way, we expect he lands somewhere in the second round.
STRENGTHS
  • Evasion
  • Tackling
  • Decision making
  • Clearances
  • Endurance
  • Team-first approach
McHenry is a player who you would love as your teammate, but hate as your opponent. He has that fiery passion to bleed for the jumper and defend his teammates at all costs. At times it can result in free kicks going the other way, but if there is one player in the draft crop that you can guarantee will fly the flag for a teammate copping attention, that is certainly McHenry. He is not afraid to let an opponent know if they have made a mistake, but he walks the walk as well as talks the talk, running both ways impressively. His massive endurance base – a draft-crop leading 22.2 on the yo-yo test and an impressive 6:11 on the 2km time trial at the National Draft Combine, means he is in the elite echelon of gut-runners and this is the main thing that sets him aside from a lot of the other draftees.
On-field, his evasion, decision making and clearance work helps him have a few tricks he can display, and he has the ability to win the ball at the coal face, then dart out of a stoppage, not through acceleration, but through evasion. With ball-in-hand, McHenry makes good decisions, especially going inside 50, often pulling kicks or putting them in front of his teammates to their advantage. He finished the TAC Cup season with 66.3 per cent by foot and a 12 per cent clanger kick percentage rate, which is solid considering his role. He averaged 4.9 clearances, though that was ultimately diluted by moving around the ground and not being a pure inside midfielder the entire year, same with his tackling. McHenry recorded 5.3 tackles per game in the TAC Cup season playing between midfield and forward, then once he got his chance predominantly forward at the National Under 18 Championships, McHenry doubled that average to easily be the leading tackler from the competition. This is just one area of his team-first approach that he takes to his football and one of the reasons why teammates love to have him on their side and why he will no doubt be a player that future teammates enjoy being around.
IMPROVEMENTS
  • Consistency
  • Speed
In terms of improvements, there is not a great deal that McHenry does not at least do to an adequate level. He could be more consistent week-to-week, which is something that plagues almost all Under 18s players at some stage. It can depend on his role – whether he is inside, outside or forward, but generally he has some unbelievable games, and then some quiet ones. Case in point was against Calder Cannons in the Wildcard Round, he was a clear best on ground with 20 disposals, six tackles and two goals, more importantly standing up while co-captain Sam Walsh was copping plenty of attention from the opposition that day. The next week in Geelong’s elimination final loss to Gippsland Power, he still had 18 disposals and three marks, but his impact on the contest was limited, not hitting the scoreboard and generally being a lot quieter. Secondly, McHenry is not the quickest player out there, which can often be overshadowed by his evasion and endurance, but in terms of acceleration or general speed, McHenry does have an area to build on. It is one of those things that will not be an issue for him with a forward role, but might be the question mark on an outside midfield role.
DRAFT PROJECTION: 15-40
SUMMARY
Ned McHenry is a great player who clubs should not overlook just because of his size. Like any Under 18s player, McHenry has his great games and his quieter games, and he is not the quickest player going around. However, he is the draft crop gut-runner who is a tackling machine with good evasion techniques and decision making, as well as an ability to win clearances and play through the midfield or up forward. He is one of those players that will have a high standard he sets himself, and once he slots into a club at the elite level, expect him to get the absolute most out of himself.




10 Chayce Jones






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Height180cm
Weight74kg
Birthday January 14, 2000

DRAFT ANALYSIS: "A versatile, speedy player of great character who finds the football and works hard defensively."

OVERVIEW
After overcoming a serious ankle injury that ended his season in 2017, Jones responded positively with several encouraging performances for the Tassie Mariners and the Allies this season. He’s one the most promising prospects out of Tasmania this years’ draft and looms as a possible first-round contender. He’s a clean ball user, with electric speed and fantastic lateral movement. He can win the ball on the inside and outside of the contest and his tackling has been one the highlights of his game. His character and personality have been noted as one of his biggest strengths and this was clear when he was given the honour of captaining both the Marines and Allies this season, signifying his leadership potential. Jones was also awarded All-Australian honours for his terrific efforts in the AFL U18 National Championships.
STRENGTHS
  • Kicking
  • Accumulation
  • Versatile
  • Tackling
  • Agility
  • Work rate
  • Character
Jones is a natural ball-winner who can win possession on the inside and outside of the contest. He’s got several noticeable strengths such as his outstanding work-rate, his repeated efforts, his ability to runs both ways and his constant pressure around the contest. He’s a handy ball user, who can kick on both sides of his body, which is a must-have for midfielders in the modern era.
Jones has the speed and agility required to weave through congestion at stoppages, along with the toughness and mindset to apply tackles when needed. He recorded an 8.270-second agility test score further showing how quick he is on the move.
He is a fearless competitor and he isn’t afraid to put his head over the ball on a continuous basis. This was evident during the National Championships when he averaged over six tackles a match. He caught the eye of many on-lookers during the carnival, especially in his teams’ win against Vic Country when he amassed 28 disposals (16 contested), five marks, six tackles, five clearance and two goals in a scintillating performance.
Jones’s character and personality have been praised by many, with his professionalism and willingness to help his teammates, adding another important attribute to his long list of positives. His competitiveness, stoppage work, leadership qualities and scoreboard impact will definitely boost the likelihood of Jones’ ending up as a possible first-round selection come November.
IMPROVEMENTS
  • Size
  • Decision-making
At 180cm and 74kg, he is not the bulkiest of midfielders in the draft, and his lack of size at the moment may be hard for him to compete with the big bodies at AFL level, even though he has been competing against men in the Tasmanian State League. But with his speed and impressive lateral movement, I see Jones as more of an outside midfielder, who can play on the inside if needed, mainly due to his willingness to put his head over the ball. While he may be one of the better kicks in this years’ draft, Jones will continue to work on his decision-making and ability to lower the eyes, particularly when delivering the ball to teammates in the forward half of the ground. There were just a number of instances where he threw the ball on the boot without always having a look, but this is something that will come with knowing his ability at the level and being able to find that time and space to deliver cleanly like he is capable of doing.
DRAFT PROJECTION: 12-25
SUMMARY
Jones is still firming as possible first round selection, after an eye-catching National Under 18 Championships. His performances in the Tasmanian State League have also been encouraging, with the classy midfielder averaging 23.3 disposals, 8.3 clearances and 6.6 tackles over seven games this season. The goal-kicking midfielder definitely possesses plenty of promising qualities that many AFL clubs will be eager to develop. He is a potential future captain with high-level speed, agility, defensive pressure and scoreboard pressure.
 

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Im just happy that a man with the surname Crouch has lost his spot in the 22.

Our coaches can’t be trusted on game day, if they have both, they will play both in the middle. And they just don’t play well as a tandem.

This could well end up being the best move for Brad Crouch that the club has made in 4 years.

In fact I’m going to put my money where my mouth is. I’m changing my prediction for our teams BOG this week from ROB to BCrouch.
 

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8 Edward McHenry






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Height176cm
Weight71kg
Birthday July 13, 2000

DRAFT ANALYSIS: "A tenacious small midfielder/forward who has great evasion skills."

OVERVIEW
Edward “Ned” McHenry is a player who has not let size get in the way of his AFL dream. There are not too many mid-170cm players who are talked about as first-round prospects, but that is how impressive McHenry has been over the journey. While his size might put some clubs off, like any smaller player coming into AFL draft consideration, McHenry has plenty of impressive traits that catch the eye, and he is certainly going to be a handy pick-up for whichever club decides to draft him. He is smart with the ball in hand, can evade opponents and run all day long with an elite tank, while he can play inside or outside – though he does not mark as much as other midfielders – and he is a profound tackler who loves the defensive side of football as much as the offensive side of football. He will likely fulfil that small forward role at AFL level, providing plenty of defensive pressure, or he could pinch hit on the outside being the player to use the ball going inside 50, however he does have limited speed. Either way, we expect he lands somewhere in the second round.
STRENGTHS
  • Evasion
  • Tackling
  • Decision making
  • Clearances
  • Endurance
  • Team-first approach
McHenry is a player who you would love as your teammate, but hate as your opponent. He has that fiery passion to bleed for the jumper and defend his teammates at all costs. At times it can result in free kicks going the other way, but if there is one player in the draft crop that you can guarantee will fly the flag for a teammate copping attention, that is certainly McHenry. He is not afraid to let an opponent know if they have made a mistake, but he walks the walk as well as talks the talk, running both ways impressively. His massive endurance base – a draft-crop leading 22.2 on the yo-yo test and an impressive 6:11 on the 2km time trial at the National Draft Combine, means he is in the elite echelon of gut-runners and this is the main thing that sets him aside from a lot of the other draftees.
On-field, his evasion, decision making and clearance work helps him have a few tricks he can display, and he has the ability to win the ball at the coal face, then dart out of a stoppage, not through acceleration, but through evasion. With ball-in-hand, McHenry makes good decisions, especially going inside 50, often pulling kicks or putting them in front of his teammates to their advantage. He finished the TAC Cup season with 66.3 per cent by foot and a 12 per cent clanger kick percentage rate, which is solid considering his role. He averaged 4.9 clearances, though that was ultimately diluted by moving around the ground and not being a pure inside midfielder the entire year, same with his tackling. McHenry recorded 5.3 tackles per game in the TAC Cup season playing between midfield and forward, then once he got his chance predominantly forward at the National Under 18 Championships, McHenry doubled that average to easily be the leading tackler from the competition. This is just one area of his team-first approach that he takes to his football and one of the reasons why teammates love to have him on their side and why he will no doubt be a player that future teammates enjoy being around.
IMPROVEMENTS
  • Consistency
  • Speed
In terms of improvements, there is not a great deal that McHenry does not at least do to an adequate level. He could be more consistent week-to-week, which is something that plagues almost all Under 18s players at some stage. It can depend on his role – whether he is inside, outside or forward, but generally he has some unbelievable games, and then some quiet ones. Case in point was against Calder Cannons in the Wildcard Round, he was a clear best on ground with 20 disposals, six tackles and two goals, more importantly standing up while co-captain Sam Walsh was copping plenty of attention from the opposition that day. The next week in Geelong’s elimination final loss to Gippsland Power, he still had 18 disposals and three marks, but his impact on the contest was limited, not hitting the scoreboard and generally being a lot quieter. Secondly, McHenry is not the quickest player out there, which can often be overshadowed by his evasion and endurance, but in terms of acceleration or general speed, McHenry does have an area to build on. It is one of those things that will not be an issue for him with a forward role, but might be the question mark on an outside midfield role.
DRAFT PROJECTION: 15-40
SUMMARY
Ned McHenry is a great player who clubs should not overlook just because of his size. Like any Under 18s player, McHenry has his great games and his quieter games, and he is not the quickest player going around. However, he is the draft crop gut-runner who is a tackling machine with good evasion techniques and decision making, as well as an ability to win clearances and play through the midfield or up forward. He is one of those players that will have a high standard he sets himself, and once he slots into a club at the elite level, expect him to get the absolute most out of himself.




10 Chayce Jones






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Height180cm
Weight74kg
Birthday January 14, 2000

DRAFT ANALYSIS: "A versatile, speedy player of great character who finds the football and works hard defensively."

OVERVIEW
After overcoming a serious ankle injury that ended his season in 2017, Jones responded positively with several encouraging performances for the Tassie Mariners and the Allies this season. He’s one the most promising prospects out of Tasmania this years’ draft and looms as a possible first-round contender. He’s a clean ball user, with electric speed and fantastic lateral movement. He can win the ball on the inside and outside of the contest and his tackling has been one the highlights of his game. His character and personality have been noted as one of his biggest strengths and this was clear when he was given the honour of captaining both the Marines and Allies this season, signifying his leadership potential. Jones was also awarded All-Australian honours for his terrific efforts in the AFL U18 National Championships.
STRENGTHS
  • Kicking
  • Accumulation
  • Versatile
  • Tackling
  • Agility
  • Work rate
  • Character
Jones is a natural ball-winner who can win possession on the inside and outside of the contest. He’s got several noticeable strengths such as his outstanding work-rate, his repeated efforts, his ability to runs both ways and his constant pressure around the contest. He’s a handy ball user, who can kick on both sides of his body, which is a must-have for midfielders in the modern era.
Jones has the speed and agility required to weave through congestion at stoppages, along with the toughness and mindset to apply tackles when needed. He recorded an 8.270-second agility test score further showing how quick he is on the move.
He is a fearless competitor and he isn’t afraid to put his head over the ball on a continuous basis. This was evident during the National Championships when he averaged over six tackles a match. He caught the eye of many on-lookers during the carnival, especially in his teams’ win against Vic Country when he amassed 28 disposals (16 contested), five marks, six tackles, five clearance and two goals in a scintillating performance.
Jones’s character and personality have been praised by many, with his professionalism and willingness to help his teammates, adding another important attribute to his long list of positives. His competitiveness, stoppage work, leadership qualities and scoreboard impact will definitely boost the likelihood of Jones’ ending up as a possible first-round selection come November.
IMPROVEMENTS
  • Size
  • Decision-making
At 180cm and 74kg, he is not the bulkiest of midfielders in the draft, and his lack of size at the moment may be hard for him to compete with the big bodies at AFL level, even though he has been competing against men in the Tasmanian State League. But with his speed and impressive lateral movement, I see Jones as more of an outside midfielder, who can play on the inside if needed, mainly due to his willingness to put his head over the ball. While he may be one of the better kicks in this years’ draft, Jones will continue to work on his decision-making and ability to lower the eyes, particularly when delivering the ball to teammates in the forward half of the ground. There were just a number of instances where he threw the ball on the boot without always having a look, but this is something that will come with knowing his ability at the level and being able to find that time and space to deliver cleanly like he is capable of doing.
DRAFT PROJECTION: 12-25
SUMMARY
Jones is still firming as possible first round selection, after an eye-catching National Under 18 Championships. His performances in the Tasmanian State League have also been encouraging, with the classy midfielder averaging 23.3 disposals, 8.3 clearances and 6.6 tackles over seven games this season. The goal-kicking midfielder definitely possesses plenty of promising qualities that many AFL clubs will be eager to develop. He is a potential future captain with high-level speed, agility, defensive pressure and scoreboard pressure.
Ned trusted in the midfield due to better decision making?
 
Just wondering if anyone has the full drafting notes that used to be available for some players.

Jones and McHenry are the ones Im looking for.

Curious to reread as I'd love to understand why we went with to 180cm mids with our two picks in '18.

Don't get me wrong, I think both will make it. Just curious.

Ranked #8 by Champion Data
8. CHAYCE JONES
Clubs: Launceston/Allies
Position: Midfield
Size: 180cm, 77kg



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Champion Data says: Jones has all the attributes of a player who can succeed in the mid-forward role in the AFL. He was a standout for the Allies at the Under 18 Championships, averaging 21 disposals and ranking in the top five players for metres gained, pressure acts and score involvements.


Ranked #24 by Champion Data


24. EDWARD (NED) MCHENRY
Clubs: Geelong Falcons/Vic Country
Position: Midfielder/Forward
Size: 178cm, 71kg

Champion Data says: McHenry was the No. 1 tackler at the NAB AFL Under 18 Championships, applying five more than any other player. In the TAC Cup he averaged the seventh-most ranking points of anyone to play five matches, with the highest kicking efficiency of anyone to average 21 disposals.
 
Keeping Lyons maintains the worst midfield in the league.

Our issue is we don't have an elite mid. The last one we drafted, in 2007, is now at Geelong.

Our midfield was bad in 2015 to 2017 as well.

During that period we got away with it by starting attack from HB and having three elite forwards and a soon to be elite Cameron. Not to mention Teague as Forwards Coach.

Teams tighten up defensively, Laird is now useless due to this. Cameron goes. Tex, Eddie and Jenkins get old.


Our midfield is now exposed. But worsened due to lack of quality at either end.


Keeping Lyons would not prevent this. If he was with us now he would be another whipping boy. Struggling just as M Crouch is now.

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The point you're missing, is keeping Lyons at low cost would have enabled us to be more active at trade. So, keeping Lyons (and Greenwood) would have enabled us to trade for a player/picks which would have given us the opportunity to obtain that "elite mid".

You said yourself, we wouldn't have shifted much in terms of midfield quality and output by keeping Lyons and Greenwood. The simple fact is, we've overrated Brad for years (along with a few others) which has seen us let serviceable, cheap players go and overpay players giving us less or similar output. This is why we're cooked now, we have no trade currency and a severely unbalanced list with bugger all elite talent.

So yes, keeping Lyons (and Greenwood) would have made us better, because it would have given us list and TPP flexibility.
 
The point you're missing, is keeping Lyons at low cost would have enabled us to be more active at trade. So, keeping Lyons (and Greenwood) would have enabled us to trade for a player/picks which would have given us the opportunity to obtain that "elite mid".

You said yourself, we wouldn't have shifted much in terms of midfield quality and output by keeping Lyons and Greenwood. The simple fact is, we've overrated Brad for years (along with a few others) which has seen us let serviceable, cheap players go and overpay players giving us less or similar output. This is why we're cooked now, we have no trade currency and a severely unbalanced list with bugger all elite talent.

So yes, keeping Lyons (and Greenwood) would have made us better, because it would have given us list and TPP flexibility.
Brad is a better player than both, always has been. You only needed to keep one of JL and Greenwood, preferably Lyons as he was willing to play for chips.
 
Brad is a better player than both, always has been. You only needed to keep one of JL and Greenwood, preferably Lyons as he was willing to play for chips.

Brad was never better enough that he was worth keeping over Lyons, Greenwood, and the late first round draft picks being offered for him.
 
The point you're missing, is keeping Lyons at low cost would have enabled us to be more active at trade. So, keeping Lyons (and Greenwood) would have enabled us to trade for a player/picks which would have given us the opportunity to obtain that "elite mid".

You said yourself, we wouldn't have shifted much in terms of midfield quality and output by keeping Lyons and Greenwood. The simple fact is, we've overrated Brad for years (along with a few others) which has seen us let serviceable, cheap players go and overpay players giving us less or similar output. This is why we're cooked now, we have no trade currency and a severely unbalanced list with bugger all elite talent.

So yes, keeping Lyons (and Greenwood) would have made us better, because it would have given us list and TPP flexibility.

I can agree with this.

Although in 2016 would we have been thinking of B Crouch as trade currency?

Even now I bet the club want to keep him. I personally hope he has a an $800k cintract somewhere else already agreed to. Doubt it though.

And is it sound list management to keep a player on the list to trade another "better" player?

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Brad was never better enough that he was worth keeping over Lyons, Greenwood, and the late first round draft picks being offered for him.
Would you have said this in 2016?


We should have kept Greenwood. But GC gave him a longer contract and we just got burnt with Jenkins.

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Pretty sickening watching power smash wce by 48 points. They well and truly nailed the 2018 draft. If only we had. Wce no threat for the flag. Pathetic. Thanks to them took a small loss on my 1-39 Powaa bet. Useless.
 

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I guess we could accept the argument that, it would be nice to have Lyons to replace hopelessly out of form M Crouch.

But if he was getting picked ahead of McHenry or Jones I'd be as annoyed as when we'd pick Douglas ahead of Jones.

so you think there’s only 3 mids required for an AFL 22? That’s a very strange view to have.
 
Really happy about the changes this week ......been calling for Matt Crouch's head since last season

Jones, McHenry are going to be excellent players ......we'll have a look at Poholke :think:

Some excellent changes happening & introduction of players .......it's not the time to go back and critique calls on players traded, it's been done infinitum
 
Would you have said this in 2016?


We should have kept Greenwood. But GC gave him a longer contract and we just got burnt with Jenkins.

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I did say it in 2016, although may not have refered to Lyons specifically, it's why a certain section of the peanut gallery hates me so.

In particular at the end of 2016 we had the opportunity to trade Brad Crouch to Hawthorn for what could reasonably be assumed to be pick 10 and their future second round pick - ie what Hawthorn gave to the Suns for O'Meara, after they bit and we did not. The Hawks semi-publicly went into that trade period aiming to collect two of Mitchell, O'Meara, or Crouch. That was far and away the biggest opportunity we squandered - those two picks turned into Jack Bowes (but in reality Oliver Florent or Jy Simpkin as Bowes was Academy) and Liam Ryan.
 
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Really happy about the changes this week ......been calling for Matt Crouch's head since last season

Jones, McHenry are going to be excellent players ......we'll have a look at Poholke :think:

Some excellent changes happening & introduction of players .......it's not the time to go back and critique calls on players traded, it's been done infinitum

I do think Matt is able to reverse it, but he's one that really needs to just get back to basics, and as much as I loathe to say it, work harder. Be that Tom Mitchell like extractor.
 
I do think Matt is able to reverse it, but he's one that really needs to just get back to basics. Be that Tom Mitchell like extractor.
I've always agreed with Blight, when he said your midfield can afford one & only one slow midfielder ......it's even more the case these days

The 6 x 6 x 6 has meant you need speedy midfielders, because of the lack of coverage ......watch Macrae and see him approach a midfield bounce .....he's always moving sideways around the circle .....our guys are flat footed
 

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