Strategy Changes: Round 3 West Coast Eagles vs. Fremantle Dockers

[Joao]

Play the kids during this rebuild year.

 

[Freomaniac]

When was the last time Freddy or Amiss had a good game?

Your taking the piss out of Fredrick?

He kicked 28 goals last season FFS.

So dead certain he has a few good games last season

 

[#1JohnHuttonFan]

All the Voss hate is something else.
The guy has played like 8 games. At least he’s in a position to have the shots. It will come with some more experience. Also that last kick he stuffed he was attempting to get it to a player all by their self on the wing he just stuffed the kick but it wasn’t like there was no one there.


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[Freomaniac]

He's at least got the output to justify his w***er-ness, Voss not so much.

I wasn't a fan of Jeff Farmers goal celebrations when he kicked a goal

 

[Taylor]

Voss celebrates his team mates too. That Amiss mark and goal, you'll see Voss with both arms in the air celebrating when Jye takes the mark.

If he clicks and starts sinking goals then he will bring the whole team along with him

 

[Big Animal]

My two cents:

• We have the right talent, and team selection has mostly been accurate (according to availability and form). Watching Brodie, Aish, Simpson, etc. in preseason games - they simply weren't as good as those picked the last two weeks. Not saying they aren't good players, but based on form, you can understand the team selection.
• Erasmus has improved considerably from last year. He's less of a liability now. Less turnovers. He still needs more games to adapt to the pace of AFL - like a lot of other guys.
• Wagner and Johnson have improved as well. This tells me the coaches are doing something right. Some responsibility or credit needs to be given to the players for this as well. Some listen to feedback, some don't.
• Preseason may have been challenging, but there's obviously no substitute for proper games. Quite a few were cramping/cooked on the weekend. Give them time, they'll get there. They're still inexperienced. If it's still an issue in a couple of weeks time, then we need a review.
• People keep saying that JL has had 5-6 years etc. This ignores the fact that we rebuilt completely during this time, and these core players needed to get game time. Now is when we should be seeing results. We have the team, it's just that important players are on sidelines. (i.e. Darcy, Young, Walters) The ones replacing them are still learning (or aren't up to it).
• Having said all that... I do get continually frustrated at certain players being lazy (or afraid of contact). The amount of times I yell "FFS tackle him.. it's not soccer!!" during games is wayyy too often. I also got annoyed at watching the Indigenous game or Hawthorn, and think they're so quick and fluid with their game style. We pause, hesitate, and stand off the opposition. It's kinda crap to watch.

This week:
In: Draper, Fyfe/Simpson (if fit)
Out: Walker, ??

yep. also wouldn't mind Simpson coming in for Banfield. Apart from that goal, BB didn't improve us much. Without Swit, we looked slow in the front half, and even Bolton couldn't get separation from his opponent. Wouldn't mind seeing what Simpson can do to assist our speed and quality ball use, and given WC is also a young team and our HF injuries, it's a great time to throw him in.

 

[mightymouse75]

I like Voss.
He has only played 8 games.

We need a bit of mongrel attitude.
He is plenty mobile.
If he gets sticky mitts & gets his kicking yips sorted he will be the pressure forward we haven't had since Ballas.

 

[mightymouse75]

yep. also wouldn't mind Simpson coming in for Banfield. Apart from that goal, BB didn't improve us much. Without Swit, we looked slow in the front half, and even Bolton couldn't get separation from his opponent. Wouldn't mind seeing what Simpson can do to assist our speed and quality ball use, and given WC is also a young team and our HF injuries, it's a great time to throw him in.

Get him in there.
Look how well Bruce has adapted to AFL.

 

[MadMundy]

Simpson for Banfield is a change I can deal with, Banfield has had moments but I think it's time to drop him down to Peel Thunder and let him gain some form dominating the WAFL.

Simpson deserves a proper run.

 

[apuchar]

He also directly cost us one handpassing to Jackson feet. It just mindblowing how bad it is. At least with Ras we know he's going to throw everything at the contest and stick tackles.

Omeara, Johnson and Jackson all handballed straight to the opposition. There are probably others but I can't recall off the top of my head. Omeara on more than one occasion and multiple occasions last week. Not sure Raz should be singled out in this issue. They should all improve their skills and decision-making. Not sure Brayshaw could hit the side of a barn early in the season.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

The annoying part was last year when

Omeara, Johnson and Jackson all handballed straight to the opposition. There are probably others but I can't recall off the top of my head. Omeara on more than one occasion and multiple occasions last week. Not sure Raz should be singled out in this issue. They should all improve their skills and decision-making. Not sure Brayshaw could hit the side of a barn early in the season.

He had a disposal efficiency of like 42%, that's genuinely hard to do. I dont know why we need to beat around the bush on it.

 

[Dirty_banchez]

We can't carry players like Banfield, Cox, Rick etc... anymore. They just suck when the pressure is right up.

We should think twice before trading away a king's bounty in picks for Kozzie or Warner since our list has too many untalented hacks collecting pay for shit efforts.

 

[Big Animal]

He had a disposal efficiency of like 42%, that's genuinely hard to do. I dont know why we need to beat around the bush on it.

while we're not beating around the bush, we should probably also then discuss why, every time he received the ball, JOM turned back around as a first movement, either straight into an opposition player, back into traffic, giving the opp a couple of extra seconds to regroup, and then proceeded to handpass it to a player already in trouble. It was ridiculous. I know he's MR Utility/fix it, but he should not be allowed near a stoppage once we get Young and possibly Fyfe back as he was a complete liability and given his age and experience, should know better.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

while we're not beating around the bush, we should probably also then discuss why, every time he received the ball, JOM turned back around as a first movement, either straight into an opposition player, back into traffic, giving the opp a couple of extra seconds to regroup, and then proceeded to handpass it to a player already in trouble. It was ridiculous. I know he's MR Utility/fix it, but he should not be allowed near a stoppage once we get Young and possibly Fyfe back as he was a complete liability and given his age and experience, should know better.

Coaches disagree given he got votes. Must have done other things well.

Id agree there's no need for him onball once we are full strength though.

 

[Achin joints]

So many times we have players capable of kicking goals from outside the 50 that dont back themselves and look for a closer target only to have the ball turned over .At least Voss had a crack , hopefully he can sort his kicking out

 

[Footskill]

yep. also wouldn't mind Simpson coming in for Banfield. Apart from that goal, BB didn't improve us much. Without Swit, we looked slow in the front half, and even Bolton couldn't get separation from his opponent. Wouldn't mind seeing what Simpson can do to assist our speed and quality ball use, and given WC is also a young team and our HF injuries, it's a great time to throw him in.

Why is it that Daisy Pearce even gave banners props for keeping the lizards influence to less damaging possession You think Simpson could of played that role on him and if he did get off the leash we would be having a different discussion

I don't mind Simpson coming in but think he should replace Frederick's. More like for like in their roles.

 

[s_wd6]

So many times we have players capable of kicking goals from outside the 50 that dont back themselves and look for a closer target only to have the ball turned over .At least Voss had a crack , hopefully he can sort his kicking out

Voss should not have had a crack. He had multiple leads he should have taken.

Even worse was when he tried to replicate Banfield when he hasn’t kicked a goal from that angle his entire life. Pretty sure that one went ootf.

 

[Taylor]

Voss should not have had a crack. He had multiple leads he should have taken.

Even worse was when he tried to replicate Banfield when he hasn’t kicked a goal from that angle his entire life. Pretty sure that one went ootf.

Frederick was in open space nearly straight in front and Voss looked at him and pointed to the goal.

Do I think Voss should have passed the ball? Yes.

Do I think Voss kicking that goal could have lead to more confidence in himself and more goals from him in that game, as well as future games? Yes.

I really do prefer players who take it upon themselves to have the moment over those looking to shovel it to someone else. I don't think Voss is a poor team mate for his choice to try and kick the goal himself.

 

[s_wd6]

Frederick was in open space nearly straight in front and Voss looked at him and pointed to the goal.

Do I think Voss should have passed the ball? Yes.

Do I think Voss kicking that goal could have lead to more confidence in himself and more goals from him in that game, as well as future games? Yes.

I really do prefer players who take it upon themselves to have the moment over those looking to shovel it to someone else. I don't think Voss is a poor team mate for his choice to try and kick the goal himself.

Not sure which attempt you’re talking out but neither of the two where he should’ve passed off were directly in front. One was in the first quarter and the other right before the end of the third.

 

[Taylor]

Not sure which attempt you’re talking out but neither of the two where he should’ve passed off were directly in front. One was in the first quarter and the other right before the end of the third.

Voss wasn't in front, Frederick was in front of goal. In the third, kicking towards the city end, from the same general location as Banfield's kick.

When Voss took the mark there, Frederick was wide open about 20 to 30m to Voss' right and Patrick pointed at the goal and chose to take the kick himself.

 

[MadMundy]

O'Meara has arguably been one of our best players in the first two games, coaches seem to agree with that, plus general public consensus seems to be the same. He's the least of our concerns.

 

[EastcoastDocker]

I dont mind the one just before the end of the 3rd qtr. Late on you dont know how much time is left and we needed to settle things down.

That one in the 1st was inexcusable. Voss looked decent though. Getting your hands on the ball is like 90% of the battle for a key forward. That kicking action is always going to be a worry though. Its a massive swipe across the ball. Its like the classic amateur golf swing who then wonders why hes hitting it all over the place.

I would have hoped that there has been at least some conversation internally along the lines of lets look for Jye more. Clearly hes out of form but if you dont kick it to him he isnt going to get back into it. Not sure what the forward target stats would be but I think Jye would be well below the others.

 

[Footskill]

O'Meara has arguably been one of our best players in the first two games, coaches seem to agree with that, plus general public consensus seems to be the same. He's the least of our concerns.

Inside mid O'Meara along with brayshaw and Serong is the same look where we struggled in early 2023 before we got young in there. O'Meara isn't the worse to have in there but we will get bullied with the three mentioned being the mids without a big body.

 

[s_wd6]

Nah you need to know your limits as a player. Late in the quarter? He could've still used up the whole clock and kicked it to the top of the goal square.

 

[Purpletown]

We can't carry players like Banfield, Cox, Rick etc... anymore. They just suck when the pressure is right up.

We should think twice before trading away a king's bounty in picks for Kozzie or Warner since our list has too many untalented hacks collecting pay for shit efforts.

Banfield, Cox and Frederick are all liabilities but Banfield and Freddy are cheap liabilities who we are not wedded to long term

Cox is a long term liability and if that's the best he can produce then he needs to be moved on. No room for sentiment when a player on such a long term contract squibs it.