Preview Changes v Demons, Round 2 (upgraded to official preview)

[Hawkboy62]

Who would have thought Fages would be decimated by Ken Hinkley.

Certainly Hinkley's half time address seems to have been effective!

Horne-Francis gave Lachie an absolute bath in the second half. Looked like Danger mk2. Think Ashcroft should have been moved to calmer waters.

 

[3KZ is Football]

Get J.Lyons back into the SENIORS ! He was best on ground in the Ressies and he is a gun when firing. Lyons carried an injury last year that hampered him, but he is ready to fire in 2023.

He has got plenty of runs on the board and deserves a spot in the team.

Highlights: Brisbane v Geelong

The Lions and Cats clash in round 22

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Check out his last quarter here. When he is fit he is a machine. Smart footballer too.

2021 won the Marcus Ashcroft

Marcus Ashcroft

Age

53

Ht

184cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

18.4

5star

K

11.1

4star

HB

7.3

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.9

4star

No current season stats available

D

8.6

3star

K

5.6

3star

HB

3.0

3star

M

2.0

3star

T

1.6

4star

Medal TWICE!

 

[lionshine]

I think Zorko will come in for Kiddy, Wilmot pushed to half back and Zorks to play HF/Mid. One of Prior, Answerth or Madden to come in for Tunstill and one of those three to be named sub.

 

[martinson]

We can bring in or omit whoever we like imo. What we need to see is a massive improvement on commitment and effort by anyone who's named.

I'm sure we'll get it this week. Whether we're good enough is more the issue . Let's see.

 

[3KZ is Football]

Marcus Ashcroft

Marcus Ashcroft

Age

53

Ht

184cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

18.4

5star

K

11.1

4star

HB

7.3

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.9

4star

No current season stats available

D

8.6

3star

K

5.6

3star

HB

3.0

3star

M

2.0

3star

T

1.6

4star

Medal #1
“Jarryd Lyons

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Jarryd Lyons

Age

32

Ht

184cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

20.5

5star

K

11.8

4star

HB

8.7

5star

M

2.9

3star

T

4.4

5star

CL

4.8

5star

D

21.7

5star

K

14.7

5star

HB

7.0

4star

M

3.4

3star

T

5.1

5star

CL

4.7

5star

D

11.0

3star

K

5.2

2star

HB

5.8

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.0

4star

CL

1.6

4star

continued to haunt his former club, racking up a match-high 38 disposals to go along with nine clearances, nine tackles and the Marcus Ashcroft

Marcus Ashcroft

Age

53

Ht

184cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

18.4

5star

K

11.1

4star

HB

7.3

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.9

4star

No current season stats available

D

8.6

3star

K

5.6

3star

HB

3.0

3star

M

2.0

3star

T

1.6

4star

Medal as best player afield.”

Marcus Ashcroft

Marcus Ashcroft

Age

53

Ht

184cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

18.4

5star

K

11.1

4star

HB

7.3

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.9

4star

No current season stats available

D

8.6

3star

K

5.6

3star

HB

3.0

3star

M

2.0

3star

T

1.6

4star

Medal #2
“Lyons won the Marcus Ashcroft

Marcus Ashcroft

Age

53

Ht

184cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

18.4

5star

K

11.1

4star

HB

7.3

5star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.9

4star

No current season stats available

D

8.6

3star

K

5.6

3star

HB

3.0

3star

M

2.0

3star

T

1.6

4star

Medal as best player afield for the second time this year, finishing with 33 disposals, 18 of them contested.”

Any side that has Ashcroft, Tunstill, and Wilmot, who have 9 games between the three of them (1:4:4 respectively) and not Lyons is a very poorly selected team. Even more so this week when we are playing Melbourne. Has Fagan closed our PREMIERSHIP WINDOW and is he pulling a sneaky ‘play the kids’ style rebuild? Selection remains his absolute weak spot.

 

[NotQuiteJezza]

Some of these players with zero tackles need to have a look at themselves. I know forwards don’t always get the chance but Rich, Berry, Tunstill, Andrews and Payne. What the ……!

 

[Pride of lions]

The thing with Berry is, he has reportedly said his shoulder is stuffed.

He can get in there and get it for half a game or one game, but we then risk losing him for weeks or the rest of the year.

If Berry’s shoulder is that bad that he can’t play inside he will struggle to stay in the side imo. His ball use is close to the worst in the team and as an outside player that is the most important skill you need. And his shoulder seems to prevent him from being a strong tackler too,so he can’t really play a defensive role either. He was awesome for a half last year when he shut down Oliver but he just can’t seem to have a consistent run without injury and may never reach his potential as a big bodied midfielder, which is unfortunately the only role he is really suited to.

 

[Gadzorks]

Some of these players with zero tackles need to have a look at themselves. I know forwards don’t always get the chance but Rich, Berry, Tunstill, Andrews and Payne. What the ……!
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That's just unacceptable. How the hell do defenders not tackle in a game where they are getting thrashed. Unbelievable and horrifying.

Opposition know they can do what they want cause they are not going to get tackled. That kind of confidence boost - we've lost the mind game mid week when opposition watch the tapes.

 

[3KZ is Football]

Some of these players with zero tackles need to have a look at themselves. I know forwards don’t always get the chance but Rich, Berry, Tunstill, Andrews and Payne. What the ……!
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Payne and Andrews don’t get close enough to their opponents to tackle them. These are two defenders who seem to have a major deficiency in defensive skills. Andrews in particular has suffered a dramatic decline since being all Australian in 2019 and 2020. In the intervening two years teams have worked him out as they realise he can be obstructed out of contests and routinely beaten on the lead. His tactic of playing wide of his man has now become a liability. Payne is the classic ‘looks like Tarzan, but plays like someone who most certainly isn’t Tarzan” defender. His reaction time is not good and he fails to do even the basic things like maintaining body contact on his opponents.

If defences win premierships, we are not going to get there with these two key defenders unless they change their approach. Look at how tough and uncompromising Leppitsch and Mal Michael were. That’s the sort of aggression we need in defence.

 

[martinson]

Payne and Andrews don’t get close enough to their opponents to tackle them. These are two defenders who seem to have a major deficiency in defensive skills. Andrews in particular has suffered a dramatic decline since being all Australian in 2019 and 2020. In the intervening two years teams have worked him out as they realise he can be obstructed out of contests and routinely beaten on the lead. His tactic of playing wide of his man has now become a liability. Payne is the classic ‘looks like Tarzan, but plays like someone who most certainly isn’t Tarzan” defender. His reaction time is not good and he fails to do even the basic things like maintaining body contact on his opponents.

If defences win premierships, we are not going to get there with these two key defenders unless they change their approach. Look at how tough and uncompromising Leppitsch and Mal Michael were. That’s the sort of aggression we need in defence.

There's some truth in what you say 3KZ but Payne has played 20 odd games . Do you remember what Leppa was like under 50 games ? I do.

Mal Michael spent years at Collingwood and they wanted to get rid of him .

Payne has a lot to learn but I think he's worth persisting with . Harris hasn't been the same since Cameron knocked him out but he's light years ahead of anyone else we have.

Being realistic they're the best we have and it's unlikely we're picking up any better KPD's in the foreseeable future so maybe your issues should be directed at the coaching.

I do understand your frustration. The tactic of staying off your opponent goes against anything I was taught . I guess it all gets back to the execution.

 

[On the quiet]

Payne and Andrews don’t get close enough to their opponents to tackle them. These are two defenders who seem to have a major deficiency in defensive skills. Andrews in particular has suffered a dramatic decline since being all Australian in 2019 and 2020. In the intervening two years teams have worked him out as they realise he can be obstructed out of contests and routinely beaten on the lead. His tactic of playing wide of his man has now become a liability. Payne is the classic ‘looks like Tarzan, but plays like someone who most certainly isn’t Tarzan” defender. His reaction time is not good and he fails to do even the basic things like maintaining body contact on his opponents.

If defences win premierships, we are not going to get there with these two key defenders unless they change their approach. Look at how tough and uncompromising Leppitsch and Mal Michael were. That’s the sort of aggression we need in defence.

An interesting point is that
Mal Michael averaged 1.2 tackles per game over 238 games. Payne averages 1.46 tackles per game over 28 games. I don't expect fullbacks to rack up as many tackles as those playing slighter higher up in the backs or even a centre half back.

Leppitsch averaged 1.22 tackles per game over 227 games. Andrews averages 1.45 per game over 161 games.

Payne is still learning and will for at least another 30 to 40 games, because of non selection and injuries, he has not yet played enough games at fullback. Yes he could engage a bit earlier with his forward, and learn to use his body a bit more, and recognise when to stand side by side in lieu of back shoulder, but the days of brutality with a KPF are over.

Harris strength is his intercepting ability, but I do recall that the AFL recently published an article highlighting where he won the most 1 v 1 in 2022.

 

[3KZ is Football]

Two very reasoned responses, On the quiet and martinson. I take your points, but perhaps then it becomes a question of how these players are coached. In his early years Leppitsch was played as a forward before being sent to defence and if Collingwood were so down on Michael, how was he transformed at Brisbane? It comes back to coaching and teaching and tactics, which is where we are falling down then.

 

[Quested]

I watched the Dogs v Dee's last night, and even though the Dogs lost by 50, still looked light-years better than we did this weekend. I simply can't accept that we are that far off the competition pace. It must have been an anomaly, a false start, a misfire. The alternative is far too depressing to consider on the 20th year since our last premiership.

 

[Bucking Beads]

Wee always seem to drop a younger player after a heavy loss. In my view the younger guys like Wilmot and Tunstill should be kept in the ide and a few of the more experienced guys who failed to run hard should be left out. The younger players will follow the older players if they lead like they should.

We're gonna need to play another tall down back also.

 

[M Malice]

Wee always seem to drop a younger player after a heavy loss. In my view the younger guys like Wilmot and Tunstill should be kept in the ide and a few of the more experienced guys who failed to run hard should be left out. The younger players will follow the older players if they lead like they should.

We're gonna need to play another tall down back also.

IF we are to drop older players who would be in the firing line?

For me based on the Port game and some of the form last season the first ones under the gun would be Richy, Berry, Linc, Joe, O. I am not necessarily advocating for them to be dropped but I can not think of any other senior players who could be.

Based on our record re dropping of players this is never going to happen anyway.

 

[Bucking Beads]

IF we are to drop older players who would be in the firing line?

For me based on the Port game and some of the form last season the first ones under the gun would be Richy, Berry, Linc, Joe, O. I am not necessarily advocating for them to be dropped but I can not think of any other senior players who could be.

Based on our record re dropping of players this is never going to happen anyway.

What message do we really send to the core players of this team if we keep dropping the low hanging fruit when more experienced players were as poor as the young boys?

 

[M Malice]

What message do we really send to the core players of this team if we keep dropping the low hanging fruit when more experienced players were as poor as the young boys?

Who would be the senior guys you would drop BB?

 

[FeastOrFamine]

I watched the Dogs v Dee's last night, and even though the Dogs lost by 50, still looked light-years better than we did this weekend. I simply can't accept that we are that far off the competition pace. It must have been an anomaly, a false start, a misfire. The alternative is far too depressing to consider on the 20th year since our last premiership.

I think it was an aberration.

I don't see how we could do any worse given how low the bar is for us at the moment. This team is too good not to bounce back; that loss was what we needed.

 

[Bucking Beads]

Who would be the senior guys you would drop BB?

I'd be happy to leave out Berry and Big O. We know they're best 22 but the message needs to be felt across the playing group.

 

[martinson]

Two very reasoned responses, On the quiet and martinson. I take your points, but perhaps then it becomes a question of how these players are coached. In his early years Leppitsch was played as a forward before being sent to defence and if Collingwood were so down on Michael, how was he transformed at Brisbane? It comes back to coaching and teaching and tactics, which is where we are falling down then.

Interesting that Leppitsch ,Michael and Johnson all played their early careers as forwards . So too did Ashcroft and Daryl White from memory .

And Lynch was the best full back in the game for a period.

 

[3KZ is Football]

Wee always seem to drop a younger player after a heavy loss. In my view the younger guys like Wilmot and Tunstill should be kept in the ide and a few of the more experienced guys who failed to run hard should be left out. The younger players will follow the older players if they lead like they should.

We're gonna need to play another tall down back also.

Or conversely, we always select younger players before a heavy loss. Ashcroft played his first game and Tunstill and Wilmot have 8 games between them and we have experienced and hard at it players in the reserves? Go figure? This was coaching hubris on the part of Fagan.

 

[Bucking Beads]

Or conversely, we always select younger players before a heavy loss. Ashcroft played his first game and Tunstill and Wilmot have 8 games between them and we have experienced and hard at it players in the reserves? Go figure? This was coaching hubris on the part of Fagan.

How come other teams seem to cope with young players getting selected while we can't? The Dee's had 2 debutants on the weekend and smoked the Dogs

 

[3KZ is Football]

Interesting that Leppitsch ,Michael and Johnson all played their early careers as forwards . So too did Ashcroft and Daryl White from memory .

And Lynch was the best full back in the game for a period.

Chris Johnson was lightly framed when he burst onto the scene. I was at the game when Fitzroy beat Hawthorn at VFL park when he got amongst the goals. As he bulked up, defence was always a better option.

 

[3KZ is Football]

How come other teams seem to cope with young players getting selected while we can't? The Dee's had 2 debutants on the weekend and smoked the Dogs

Maybe they have better players around them, or they are playing different roles or they are coached differently. What positions were they playing in?

 

[Sproj]

We just need to be patient. Give the majority of these guys another shot. We aren’t expected to best Melbourne but we are expected to show more heart. Bring in Prior for Tunstill and Fort for probably Coleman and that’s about it. Let Zorko have one more week. If the team is as putrid as week 1, then there are serious, serious concerns but give them a chance at redemption I say!