Preview Changes v Demons, Round 2 (upgraded to official preview)

[Dalions]

How come other teams seem to cope with young players getting selected while we can't? The Dee's had 2 debutants on the weekend and smoked the Dogs

Quite simply because their senior players stood up.

 

[Harris Specter]

I'd drop McCarthy. He is someone that seems to have extremely quiet games and allowed to do so. Doesn't offer much forward pressure and was part of the reason why Port were able to stream out of defence easily.

 

[3KZ is Football]

IF we are to drop older players who would be in the firing line?

For me based on the Port game and some of the form last season the first ones under the gun would be Richy, Berry, Linc, Joe, O. I am not necessarily advocating for them to be dropped but I can not think of any other senior players who could be.

Based on our record re dropping of players this is never going to happen anyway.

I would replace Berry with Lyons to allow Berry a chance to sort his body out. There is no shame in being given a chance to heal.

Melbourne are going to be 100% primed to MONSTER US. WE need senior players and big bodies in the team.

 

[On the quiet]

Or conversely, we always select younger players before a heavy loss. Ashcroft played his first game and Tunstill and Wilmot have 8 games between them and we have experienced and hard at it players in the reserves? Go figure? This was coaching hubris on the part of Fagan.

I think we should be playing Wilmot, but at this stage in the backs. I believe he can put pressure on Rich for a permanent spot. I could be wrong but I believe Hinkely invested in the young group of Duursma, Rozee, Butters giving them regular games and now ultimately greater roles. Admittedly they were relatively high draft picks but are developing into quality young players.

Our issue is we are in the so called 'window' so the selectors not likely to give the fringe players too many opportunities. None of the above three you mentioned I believe are overly responsible for a poor overall team performance. That said perhaps Tunstill misses out and McClug back on the wing and Dev in the middle for this week. Fort in for Kiddy

 

[KissKiss]

Lot of these suggestions dont make sense unless we change formation - and we never seem to do that. Like Berry or another winger out for Lyons just doesnt fit with things without pushing a mid out to the wings. Im totally ok with pushing McCluggage wider but without that we cant fit Lyons in the team

 

[Bucking Beads]

Quite simply because their senior players stood up.

Thank you for nailing my point for me.

 

[On the quiet]

Lot of these suggestions dont make sense unless we change formation - and we never seem to do that. Like Berry or another winger out for Lyons just doesnt fit with things without pushing a mid out to the wings. Im totally ok with pushing McCluggage wider but without that we cant fit Lyons in the team

Without knowing the 'ins' at the club, I would assume McClug wants a greater role playing in the mids, but I just feel against the Dees we would be better served with Dev in the middle, and we need the height of Fort for this game. Big O or Fort surely are competent enough to swing back and mark Gawn as he moves into the forward line. Harris might struggle with the 1 v 1 on Gawn and we are expecting way too much from Payne to take on Gawn. Payne probably takes Brown and Harris on McDonald.

 

[Nathan Barley]

Without knowing the 'ins' at the club, I would assume McClug wants a greater role playing in the mids, but I just feel against the Dees we would be better served with Dev in the middle, and we need the height of Fort for this game. Big O or Fort surely are competent enough to swing back and mark Gawn as he moves into the forward line. Harris might struggle with the 1 v 1 on Gawn and we are expecting way too much from Payne to take on Gawn. Payne probably takes Brown and Harris on McDonald.

Dev did tag Oliver in the first half of the final so we might do that again

 

[Kernel Kurtz]

How come other teams seem to cope with young players getting selected while we can't? The Dee's had 2 debutants on the weekend and smoked the Dogs

Good question.
It's just got to come down to their systems and conversly ours.
we always seem to have a teething period with new players.
Look at our center clearances where too many players get sucked in and the other sides have free players on the outside. Does every player have a specific role?
But then again it could be just our players that are meant to win the ball fail thus forcing players that are close to come in.
I'm thinking we don't keep our shape , plain and simple, if your meant to keep on the outside well keep on the outside and defend your player .
I remember seeing Pendles play against us and he was on the outside of a bounce doining star jumps to get his inside players attention.
received the handball and was out in the clear, all our boys got sucked into the competition.
are we lacking playing smart.
We could also put in just not working hard enough for each other, that's not a fitness thing that is your make up.
Robbo had this in spades , just not the finess once he got the ball, bou to his credit he worked his arse off.


The intensity will be there this week , just not convinced we have improved on our ball movement or movement in general.
If we get this whole team running whether in defence or covering, whatever ,we should beat them.
I'd like to see Prior and Fort in for Danniher, maybe Lyons if he is fully fit.
Zorko if fit.

 

[Tom14]

Dev did tag Oliver in the first half of the final so we might do that again

(let's ignore that it really, really didn't work and moving him off Oliver is what won the game. That and Gawn and Petracca being injured.)

 

[Nathan Barley]

(let's ignore that it really, really didn't work and moving him off Oliver is what won the game. That and Gawn and Petracca being injured.)

I think you've remembered incorrectly

Worked ok. Kept him to 12 disposals but didn't win many of his own. Berry just did an exceptional job and like you said most Melbourne players were quiet in the second half

 

[twhowler]

Goodwin says all of their injured players from round 1 available.

So compared to semi final in terms off best 22 (will be more changes at the margin)

DEES

OUT: Pickett, Jackson

IN: Gawn (was v injured), Petracca (ditto), Grundy, McDonald

LIONS

OUT: Coleman, Ah Chee, McStay, Gardiner,

IN: Daniher, Dunkley, McKenna, Ashcroft, Gunston, McInerney

The big worry for me is how hobbled Gawn and Petracca were and won't be this time...

 

[On the quiet]

Dev did tag Oliver in the first half of the final so we might do that again

yes and I thought he did Okay

 

[On the quiet]

(let's ignore that it really, really didn't work and moving him off Oliver is what won the game. That and Gawn and Petracca being injured.)

If Berry wasn't apparently playing injured, he could do a tagging role which he has done for periods during a game. I think Dev is worth a try with McClug on the wing this week. I thought Dev did Okay for periods in the game against the Dees at the G. It depends how good is Berry's shoulder issue and what role he can perform, but I would give Dev a crack in the guts this week.

 

[KissKiss]

Without knowing the 'ins' at the club, I would assume McClug wants a greater role playing in the mids, but I just feel against the Dees we would be better served with Dev in the middle, and we need the height of Fort for this game. Big O or Fort surely are competent enough to swing back and mark Gawn as he moves into the forward line. Harris might struggle with the 1 v 1 on Gawn and we are expecting way too much from Payne to take on Gawn. Payne probably takes Brown and Harris on McDonald.

I agree with you and think that we would be better served with Clugg playing wider and Dev or other inside mids actually playing in their more natural role. But we do need to take into account the balance of the team. Too many people are just suggesting removing two outside mids for an inside mid and a ruck. Structurally that is incredibly unlikely - we are historically very stuck with our formation. For example always playing 3 tall forwards and one ruck. We have basically never changed from that setup. Fort generally only played with Oscar when we had only 2 key forwards

 

[Tom14]

 

[Section 5]

Gunston to defense for this game replacing Coleman.
Fort forward/ruck relief to help combat the Gawn & Grundy combo replacing Tunstill but takes Gunston's spot forward.

For me Lyons & Zorko both definite starters if passed fit over Dev > Wilmot > (Prior who was sub).

If they don't play McCluggage 85% wing (unlikely) than Zorko/Bailey/Dunkley/McCluggage should rotate on the one wing and also Mid/Fwd.
At least that way we have decent players around the ball, be it in the middle, wing or forward.

There are lots of things they could try that are not way left field.

Gunston to defense for this game may free up Rayner if they want to push him into the middle/forward as well as defense.

 

[dlanod]

If anyone wants to take this week's preview from me, I'm unlikely to get to spend time on it until Thursday at the earliest because of a family emergency that means I can't spend an hour or so writing something up (half-arsing these things takes me time!).

Feel free to just get something up, otherwise this thread will remain open for the moment - just so people understand why.

 

[NotQuiteJezza]

Coleman out is massive. We must replace with an attacking back. Zorko or someone who is willing to take an aggressive kick. Rich is no longer an option.
The resting ruck must block the hole 1 kick away constantly.
We must tackle.
A real danger match.

 

[knaf]

If anyone wants to take this week's preview from me, I'm unlikely to get to spend time on it until Thursday at the earliest because of a family emergency that means I can't spend an hour or so writing something up (half-arsing these things takes me time!).

Feel free to just get something up, otherwise this thread will remain open for the moment - just so people understand why.

Sorry to hear dlanod. Hope everything turns out ok.

this thread is fine by me.

 

[p4p1]

I'd drop McCarthy. He is someone that seems to have extremely quiet games and allowed to do so. Doesn't offer much forward pressure and was part of the reason why Port were able to stream out of defence easily.

I agree, we play him because he can turn a game and he is extremely talented but unfortunately he isn't as consistent as we would like. To be fair though, that is a blanket statement on all of our forwards.

 

[p4p1]

Without knowing the 'ins' at the club, I would assume McClug wants a greater role playing in the mids, but I just feel against the Dees we would be better served with Dev in the middle, and we need the height of Fort for this game. Big O or Fort surely are competent enough to swing back and mark Gawn as he moves into the forward line. Harris might struggle with the 1 v 1 on Gawn and we are expecting way too much from Payne to take on Gawn. Payne probably takes Brown and Harris on McDonald.

If our personnel and by extension our structure is better served having Clug on a wing then where he would like to play needs to only be a consideration when we are winning or going into a game we are very confident of winning. No issues with Clug rolling through the middle if he wants some time there but not at the cost of team results. I believe we may have needed Clug in the middle last year because we needed someone that could run both ways, he still can but I do wonder if we would be better served having him only rotate in the middle occasionally and have the wing as his main role.

 

[p4p1]

Gunston to defense for this game replacing Coleman.
Fort forward/ruck relief to help combat the Gawn & Grundy combo replacing Tunstill but takes Gunston's spot forward.

For me Lyons & Zorko both definite starters if passed fit over Dev > Wilmot > (Prior who was sub).

If they don't play McCluggage 85% wing (unlikely) than Zorko/Bailey/Dunkley/McCluggage should rotate on the one wing and also Mid/Fwd.
At least that way we have decent players around the ball, be it in the middle, wing or forward.

There are lots of things they could try that are not way left field.

Gunston to defense for this game may free up Rayner if they want to push him into the middle/forward as well as defense.

As much as I am a supporter of Cam in defence, if we pushed Gunston back and told Hippy and Joe (potentially taking May and Lever with them) to push further up the ground I would 100% be on board with having Cam as the deepest forward. He a good contested mark and I would back him to at the very least bring the ball to ground with Bailey or Charlie to crumb.

 

[lionshine]

If Kiddy is in concussion protocols does that mean he misses the Dogs game next Thursday Night as well? Protocols are 12 days correct?

 

[Thomasno]

Same old problems and I assume that the coaches will do the same thing they always do which is back in the team with minimal changes baring shuffling the chairs in the young wingers. I do agree that the wings is the problem but just shifting between about three young players without making actual structural changes wont help that.

Im in the send McCluggage to the wing, and Dev to play more time in the middle. They both look more natural there. Prior I think should be the other wing as he has the height and flexibility. Tunstill is ok but I dont think he is right as a full time AFL winger. We have a massive problem with too many retrofitted wings who cant hold their position wide of the contest.

Im not convinced to bring in Lyons either as its still a massive problem with defensive running and he wont fix that.

And this shows why the question of losing McStay could hurt. He was the one who worked up the wing to provide a regular marking pressure outlet. Hipwood and Daniher are honestly too similar and Gunston is at least a smart forward but not a clunking guy either. The balance still looks off. Too many front running glory types and not enough hard workers in the forward line

I don’t know about the “same old response” thing. I’ve never heard fagan like that, he sounded pretty flabbergasted and pissed off himself. Match review this week would’ve been an absolute sh!tfest, I really don’t see him naming the same team for Friday.