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I don’t you’ve been paying attention with Begg recently tbh.
No I have. He played a poor game in the practice match and still looks poor. He has not much of a tank and has only played one standout game against a tired Richmond side.
 
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It seems like you’re in furious agreement with me here, because the bolded is pretty much exactly what I was saying in the post you quoted.

I am in agreement

I didn't think my post was intended to disagree
 
I said it 2 years ago and I’ll say it again now. This kid will leave no stone unturned to make it. His attitude is exceptional. Loved his interview and great to see how much murph has been teaching him his role. Says a lot about Murph and his character. If Murph does decide to retire I reckon he will have a career at clubland, in a coaching or similar role.
The platypus?
 

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I thought one of Dean’s strengths in the VFL prior to joining Collingwood was as an intercepting backman.

I could be wrong though…
yeah i think you are correct

i think the problem is all our backmen are good as intercepting backmen
but we are a bit short for a pure stopper
that wouldnt be an issue, if it wasnt for the fact that darcy is the best in both respects, and against certain opposition he has to play a negating role and we miss out on his attack and intercept
 
yeah i think you are correct

i think the problem is all our backmen are good as intercepting backmen
but we are a bit short for a pure stopper
that wouldnt be an issue, if it wasnt for the fact that darcy is the best in both respects, and against certain opposition he has to play a negating role and we miss out on his attack and intercept
A pure stopper for smalls or talls? The days of a tall defender being a pure stopper seems to be gone. Most sides seem to be able to intercept enough or be able to kill the ball very well. It's the smalls like Cameron and Bobby that probably need a pure stopper more so
 
yeah i think you are correct

i think the problem is all our backmen are good as intercepting backmen
but we are a bit short for a pure stopper
that wouldnt be an issue, if it wasnt for the fact that darcy is the best in both respects, and against certain opposition he has to play a negating role and we miss out on his attack and intercept
Given we run a team defence, having someone as a specialist stopper would actually be detrimental to our defensive unit. Every player needs to be able to identify opportunities to intercept, or leave their man to help out their team mates, so what you’re identifying as a problem is actually the opposite.
 
A pure stopper for smalls or talls? The days of a tall defender being a pure stopper seems to be gone. Most sides seem to be able to intercept enough or be able to kill the ball very well. It's the smalls like Cameron and Bobby that probably need a pure stopper more so
It's often the tall that does the stopping of the smalls. It was really noticeable late in the year when Frampton replaced Moore for a game or two that his spoils didnt clear the contest and the smalls killed us at ground level. Murphy out is our biggest issue, but it will be the opposition smalls who will benefit more than their talls.
 
It's often the tall that does the stopping of the smalls. It was really noticeable late in the year when Frampton replaced Moore for a game or two that his spoils didnt clear the contest and the smalls killed us at ground level. Murphy out is our biggest issue, but it will be the opposition smalls who will benefit more than their talls.
Spot on. We aren't the only side that is stocking up on dangerous smalls in the forward half. There is a pattern emerging.
 
Spot on. We aren't the only side that is stocking up on dangerous smalls in the forward half. There is a pattern emerging.
And it's why they paid up for McStay. His stats that we see might be ordinary, but i suspect the more detailed stats that coaches are looking at are good - he protects the ball drop and gets balls dropping in dangerous spots. Lots of small forward goals when we kick it to him. I really hope he gets back.
 
And it's why they paid up for McStay. His stats that we see might be ordinary, but i suspect the more detailed stats that coaches are looking at are good - he protects the ball drop and gets balls dropping in dangerous spots. Lots of small forward goals when we kick it to him. I really hope he gets back.
If that’s the caper, then there is yet hope for Frampton up forward.
 
If that’s the caper, then there is yet hope for Frampton up forward.
Possibly. The problem is that if the forward doesn't pose a threat, the defender gets to play the ball with impunity - meaning intercept marks and big spoils that clear the area. I think a purely defensive guy will be exploited and he'd have to become a threat. I think it'll be more of an occasional tactic to play a defensive tall forward rather than a known go to guy that can be planned for.
 
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Possibly. The problem is that if the forward doesn't pose a threat, the defender gets to play the ball with impunity - meaning intercept marks and big spoils that clear the area. I think a purely defensive guy will be exploited and he'd have to become a threat. I think it'll be more of an occasional tactic to play a defensive tall forward rather than a known go to guy that can be planned for.
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And this was demonstrated in GF Q4.
Frampton would need to hold marks and at least seem a potential threat at times.
Here’s hoping.
 

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And this was demonstrated in GF Q4.
Frampton would need to hold marks and at least seem a potential threat at times.
Here’s hoping.
I think the issue with Billy is reaction time and getting to contests early enough to impose his size and strength. If he's there in time, he's pretty bloody good.
 
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And this was demonstrated in GF Q4.
Frampton would need to hold marks and at least seem a potential threat at times.
Here’s hoping.
For all his faults, we are bloody lucky to have him. He did some fantastic fill in jobs throughout the year. Will never be a star but he is now a Premiership player. I think he was so focused on carrying out the coaches instructions on GF day that when those 2 balls came lace out that he just wasn't expecting them
 
Possibly. The problem is that if the forward doesn't pose a threat, the defender gets to play the ball with impunity - meaning intercept marks and big spoils that clear the area. I think a purely defensive guy will be exploited and he'd have to become a threat. I think it'll be more of an occasional tactic to play a defensive tall forward rather than a known go to guy that can be planned for.
This. The tactics used on GF day in the absence of mcstay both at the selection table and on game day were very much a one off. Can’t try that one again any time soon.
 
If that’s the caper, then there is yet hope for Frampton up forward.
Nope. McStay works because he’s such an incredibly strong mark that he requires a defenders full attention. Frampton won’t ever reach that level.
 
Given we run a team defence, having someone as a specialist stopper would actually be detrimental to our defensive unit. Every player needs to be able to identify opportunities to intercept, or leave their man to help out their team mates, so what you’re identifying as a problem is actually the opposite.

yes we definitely have a team defense
but not everyone has the exact same role
im not arguing for a presti, which i agree wit you would not suit our system
however, when you see the way teams are trained to defend long kicks inside 50, there is clearly one players whos role is to prevent the main target from getting a run at the ball, and another player in the team defense that comes over for the mar or spoil
my issue is that id prefer darcy playing the second role rather than the first
but against some forwards, darcy is the only one good enough to do that first body on body role

so yes, "pure stopper" was a poor choice of term on my part
 
Stoked for Chaz

Not expecting him to star but he will get every last inch of talent out of his body and is an outstanding human and leader in the Nick Maxwell mould
 

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