Chick dumps on the Eagles

[Satan]

Mcdevitt dumps on Ings


http://m.heraldsun.com.au/news/vict...rug-abuse-claims/story-fni0fit3-1227554649661

Mr Mcdevitt said former ASADA chief Richard Ings was wrong to suggest ASADA could investigate Chick’s claims of prescription drug use among players in the Eagles’ 2006 premiership season.

He said that under the current anti-doping rules, “our preliminary legal advice is that we do not have the jurisdiction to look into claims made in relation to 2006”.

 

[DesertRoo]

I don't think it's unusual at all- an anti-Eagles story below the "get your go hawks banner". It's good versus evil!

At the end of 2007, the AFL investigated our operations, headed by William Gillard, and the club initiated its own independent and external review. I'm sure all of these issues would have been brought to light. You don't get rid of a Brownlow medallist, former captain, multiple AA superstar over nothing.
How long do we have to keep dredging this stuff up? It happened, it was dealt with at the time, the people involved were shown the door, we lost a lot of prestige that we built up from being one of the most professional clubs in the league, we spent time at the bottom focussing on off-field behaviour at the expense of on-field results and have built the club up from the bottom to go into a grand final on Sunday. Just bloody sick of it!
Meanwhile, another club sits there, possibly just as bad, but happens to have an injunction in place so we can't talk about it, another club has a cocaine ring going but it's not news anymore because they haven't won a flag, there's another west australian team with two guys on the list that are on the wrong side of the law/ASADA and another Melbourne club that has a current player caught in possession of ecstasy. I know our 2006 team were the poster boys for bad behaviour, but how long does mud stick?

How long before we can focus on what is going on now, instead of trawling the whole 'the eagles are bad and should continue to feel bad despite all efforts in trying to remedy the situation'?

Welcome to the afl, this is a stench that will last forever. We Melbourne clubs have long memories and tend to bring up negative stories of rivals from well over a hundred years ago. No point crying about it now. Drugs and the Eagles are now part of the fabric of banter.

 

[NoAFLinmycomp]

Mcdevitt dumps on Ings


http://m.heraldsun.com.au/news/vict...rug-abuse-claims/story-fni0fit3-1227554649661

Mr Mcdevitt said former ASADA chief Richard Ings was wrong to suggest ASADA could investigate Chick’s claims of prescription drug use among players in the Eagles’ 2006 premiership season.

He said that under the current anti-doping rules, “our preliminary legal advice is that we do not have the jurisdiction to look into claims made in relation to 2006”.

ASADA post here:
https://www.asada.gov.au/news/blog-prescription-medication-use-sport

"ASADA notes claims made in the media by former West Coast Eagle player, Daniel Chick about the use of prednisone (which he had a Therapeutic Use Exemption for) on match-day in 2006. We also note that former ASADA CEO, Richard Ings told media that, ‘Anti-doping rule violations have a 10 year statute of limitations so any possible breaches of anti-doping rules in the 2006 season certainly fall still within that’. This is incorrect.

The ten year statute of limitations for anti-doping rule violations came into effect on 1 January 2015 in line with the revised World Anti-Doping Code (the Code). Under the ASADA Regulations the new ten-year statute of limitation period only applies to conduct on or after 1 January 2007. As such, our preliminary legal advice is that we do not have the jurisdiction to look into claims made in relation to 2006."

Who's watch was that under at the time at ASADA ... why hello, Richard ....

 

[Demonic Ascent]

Very few want the AFL to go there. The AFL just can't look at the Eagles of those years and then not look at other claims. Remember Dale Lewis. There have been others.

Use of prescription drugs is also rife today. Huge in the NRL scene and would also be prevalent in the AFL.
Best to let sleeping dogs lie.

Dale Lewis was talking about recreational drugs wasn't he? Chick has specifically referred to PED's and club officials actively hiding players from testers.

If the comments by Chick are corroborated then WCE should have their 06 flag stripped. If there are other clubs with skeletons they should be investigated too.

 

[Demonic Ascent]

It absolutely is irresponsible and offensive to be beating up normal drugs that every day people use and rely on as "party drugs" and applying that stigma to them.

I'd suggest it's you is must have such a privileged life that you're able to keep your head in the sand about the reality that many people deal with, and the associated stigmas that they already deal with.

As I said in my first post, xanax, valium, stillnox and prednisone are all perfectly normal, reasonable drugs that people might use for stress, anxiety, muscle pain or chronic pain.

I'm not even saying the piece should not have been written - I'm suggesting the "journalist" should've researched these medications enough to not offend pretty much every person that needs them and uses them.

Of course as prescription drugs they have medical purposes. But they can also be abused by recreational users.

Endone is used for pain relief, you don't think some people use it just to get high?

 

[Demonic Ascent]

I posted this on our board, but would be interested in opposition fan opinions:
Substances he listed as being taken on game day:
pseudoephedrine: in 2006 was fine under 10ug/ml (20mg in 5L of blood? 4ug/ml)
caffeine: not prohibited
Stilnox: not listed
Prednisone: Kerr, Cousins and Chick had a medical exemption because of asthma
Xanax (Alprazolam) : not listed
Valium (diazepam): not listed

Coke, E's and meth. How does this differentiate us from any other club that has had players under the microscope for drug use (the injunction club, GCS, bulldogs, fremantle etc.).

Where's the story here in terms of the club, aside from Chick's bad choices and drug problems we already know about? If the docs were offering it, it would have been within the rules at the time.
*Source: WADA code 2006- http://www.olympic.org/Documents/Reports/EN/en_report_1019.pdf

You can't say hand on heart that other clubs wouldn't be doing things like giving caffeine tablets if you can have as many as you like, when we've had the Essendon supplement saga, blood transfusions during games etc. etc. Massive beat-up.

If there were no breaches of the code, why were they dodging drug tests as Chick alleged?

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Dale Lewis was talking about recreational drugs wasn't he? Chick has specifically referred to PED's and club officials actively hiding players from testers.

If the comments by Chick are corroborated then WCE should have their 06 flag stripped. If there are other clubs with skeletons they should be investigated too.

Wont happen and shouldnt happen. Too much time has elapsed and it wuld only end up in war of words with no firm evidence.

They got away with it. Were probably not the first or the last.

 

[JoondalupJ]

Welcome to the afl, this is a stench that will last forever. We Melbourne clubs have long memories and tend to bring up negative stories of rivals from well over a hundred years ago. No point crying about it now. Drugs and the Eagles are now part of the fabric of banter.

Very true, ask some old timers about Carlton and South Melbourne in the 1945 end of World War 2 Grand Final, you have no idea , they really did try to kill each other. That's Footy , I wonder how some modern boys would go with Jack Dyer or Mopsy Fraser , or Chitty, and none of them partied on booze or drugs they went and worked. Maybe that's what the fancy pants, over privileged modern day footballers should do, WORK!! Keep them out of trouble,lots of trouble too much time and no supervision and treated like kings , well they aren't!

 

[JoondalupJ]

Wont happen and shouldnt happen. Too much time has elapsed and it wuld only end up in war of words with no firm evidence.

They got away with it. Were probably not the first or the last.

A war of words and no firm evidence , sounds a great deal like Essendon, no proof left!

 

[Chameleon75]

Of course as prescription drugs they have medical purposes. But they can also be abused by recreational users.

Endone is used for pain relief, you don't think some people use it just to get high?

hillbilly heroin

 

[nobbyiscool]

hillbilly heroin

I don't believe that's correct - there's a difference between oxycodone (endone) and oxycontin (which is sold on the street as hillbilly heroin) if you're going to crush, extract and inject.

I stand to be corrected by any pharmacists though.

Of course as prescription drugs they have medical purposes. But they can also be abused by recreational users.

Endone is used for pain relief, you don't think some people use it just to get high?

No one is disputing that - the point was that, in their pathetic descriptions of these medications, they didn't actually properly described what the pills Fatch Chick alleged are used for clinically. They made prednisone sound akin to ecstasy.

But hey, apparently BF is the one place in Australia where people aren't entitled to their own feelings, lest they be shouted down and told their feelings are wrong.

I wonder how many people here actually got past the cover to read the whole article and aren't just attacking based on "summary reports" and based their hatred of the team involved (which shouldn't be relevant in discussing the research - or complete lack of - that went into the article.)

 

[Chameleon75]

I don't believe that's correct - there's a difference between oxycodone (endone) and oxycontin (which is sold on the street as hillbilly heroin) if you're going to crush, extract and inject.

I stand to be corrected by any pharmacists though.



No one is disputing that - the point was that, in their pathetic descriptions of these medications, they didn't actually properly described what the pills Fatch Chick alleged are used for clinically. They made prednisone sound akin to ecstasy.

But hey, apparently BF is the one place in Australia where people aren't entitled to their own feelings, lest they be shouted down and told their feelings are wrong.

I wonder how many people here actually got past the cover to read the whole article and aren't just attacking based on "summary reports" and based their hatred of the team involved (which shouldn't be relevant in discussing the research - or complete lack of - that went into the article.)

the active ingredient in oxycontin is oxycondone

 

[Randomizor]

A war of words and no firm evidence , sounds a great deal like Essendon, no proof left!

Except, of course, for those abnormal samples the players returned. Hmm.

 

[nobbyiscool]

the active ingredient in oxycontin is oxycondone

I don't think that's the oxycontin you buy in Australia - it's certainly not one that I've had, the ones I've had also have Naxalone Hydrochloride and are slow release.

In any case, I don't think it's the active ingredient, I think it's the way they're produced. A friend of mine is a pharmacist, which is where I got the impression that Endone can't really be crushed, whereas oxycontin can.

 

[Bennett.]

Incidentally, endone is awesome....

 

[compact72]

Incidentally, endone is awesome....

One of the best meds I've ever used!

 

[Moody Blue]

The journalist involved was sacked for paying criminals for confidential medical information. The fact you appear to have no issue with that beggars belief. What exactly was Hawthorn to be fined for?

Cops and journo's have been paying criminals since Moses played CHB for the Cairo Pharaoh's. Dylan Howard was cleared by the Police and Channel 7 supported him. No reason was given for his termination, but I am betting that it probably went this way.....allegedly. AFL: If you don't get rid of Howard not one player will be available for any interviews or will appear on any shows. Good luck trying to bid for the next TV rights. Ch7: Dylan, mate we have to let you go. No one has ever disputed that the records were found on the street. What was in these records and what did the AFL desperately try to cover up? I find it amazing how the story was buried so quickly, with so many 'Investigative journalists' around the country. So much for true investigative journalism without fear or favour. Now the AFL is supposedly really tough on drugs......What a joke.

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/enterta...cks-dylan-howard/story-e6frf9ho-1111118169035

 

[Moody Blue]

You can't say hand on heart that other clubs wouldn't be doing things like giving caffeine tablets if you can have as many as you like, when we've had the Essendon supplement saga, blood transfusions during games etc. etc. Massive beat-up.[/QUOTE]

The problem is that the Eagles have form. it goes back to the early 1990's when the rumours started about what WC was doing to get their players so big. Then we had Cousins, and Fletcher nearly dying and being subsequently arrested in Sydney for drug possession shortly after he retired, Mainwarring dying and now Chick and what we have seen and heard about Kerr. You and the AFL can try and cover it up all you want, but this was a club out of control and irrespective of what you say, there must have been staff at the club who were complicit in covering up what was going on. A senior coach who was a pharmacist and who must have been hearing rumours was shocked to learn that habitual drug users lied to him. Carlton sacked two players when they showed up under the influence of drugs. They tested them and then sacked them. Ofcourse none of the WC players ever showed up under the influence did they? There are probably half a dozen other clubs that have managed to stay under the radar thanks to a compliant media, but the blame for this falls back squarely on the AFL and their paranoia to hide any adverse findings. The three strike rule was the message to all AFL players and drug pushers that the AFL are not serious about drug abuse.

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

ASADA post here:
https://www.asada.gov.au/news/blog-prescription-medication-use-sport

"ASADA notes claims made in the media by former West Coast Eagle player, Daniel Chick about the use of prednisone (which he had a Therapeutic Use Exemption for) on match-day in 2006. We also note that former ASADA CEO, Richard Ings told media that, ‘Anti-doping rule violations have a 10 year statute of limitations so any possible breaches of anti-doping rules in the 2006 season certainly fall still within that’. This is incorrect.

The ten year statute of limitations for anti-doping rule violations came into effect on 1 January 2015 in line with the revised World Anti-Doping Code (the Code). Under the ASADA Regulations the new ten-year statute of limitation period only applies to conduct on or after 1 January 2007. As such, our preliminary legal advice is that we do not have the jurisdiction to look into claims made in relation to 2006."

Who's watch was that under at the time at ASADA ... why hello, Richard ....

So did West Coast suddenly go clean in 2007 after all becoming addicts in 2006?

Surely ASADA should tap Chick on the shoulder and ask if the same shit went down after Jan 1st 2007?

 

[JoondalupJ]

Except, of course, for those abnormal samples the players returned. Hmm.

Which were they?

 

[the_interloper]

Which were they?

Thought there was some testing done in Europe on some samples which 2 returned abnormal levels of TB-4. Could be incorrect on the details but this was reported recently.

 

[JoondalupJ]

Thought there was some testing done in Europe on some samples which 2 returned abnormal levels of TB-4. Could be incorrect on the details but this was reported recently.[/QUOTE

Yes, not sure myself , soon know I guess. WADA seemed to have reason to go forward , so hope they finish it one way or another soon.

 

[Akka76]

Thought there was some testing done in Europe on some samples which 2 returned abnormal levels of TB-4. Could be incorrect on the details but this was reported recently.

That's correct. The PR-inspired line of "we lost the spreadsheet" mysteriously stopped, after some test results came out.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

That's correct. The PR-inspired line of "we lost the spreadsheet" mysteriously stopped, after some test results came out.

no it didn't, what a strange thing to say.

 

[Akka76]

no it didn't, what a strange thing to say.

Put your balls on the line then, and show me some articles where “the PR narrative” of the “lost spreadsheets” has been used, since the articles came out a few months ago about the 2 x Ess players with elevated TB4 levels?