Chip leaked the Asada report ?

[Jobe Watson]

Sandor Earl never played for Cronulla or Manly

The article seemed, to me anyway, to imply that the player did play for one of those clubs but left just before or after the drugs were being taken.

As I said, feel free to search for the article yourselves if you think I'm making it up or drawing the wrong conclusions. March 24th 2013, The Daily Telegraph.

 

[LoungeLizard]

You asked me out of the blue why I think ASADA are incompetent. I provided you with one pretty hilarious example of their incompetency.

and what would you say about their incompetence if they find banned drugs were used at the EFC?

 

[Baldur]

According to Chip this morning, Alavi didn't know what he made. It wasn't tested. Essendon used it anyway.

Alavi said he made up the stuff from what he got from Charter. Charter says it was Tb4. Alavi not knowing what it was matters not. Unless somebody can show Charter is lying, it was Tb4. Alavi cannot say it was not.

Alavi gave said Tb4 to Dank. And Dank told him the stuff he made up was destroyed. Note Alavi cannot say it was destoryed, just that Dank told him it was.

The real issue is what was it Dank injected into the players.

Eithier it was the Tb4 Alavi made up or something unknown that Dank got elsewhere. The person who knows this is Dank, problem is Danks story makes no sense. Dank says he injected them with Thymomodulin he obtained from Alavi.

Dank could not have injected the players with another batch of stuff made up by Alavi that was Thymomodulin, becouse Alavi denied making another batch.

The most likely answer is that what Dank injected the players with was Alavi's Tb4. And that Dank is trying to cover this up with his story about the Tb4 being destroyed. I note that Dank also obtained Hexarelin from Alavi and Dank also told Alavi that this was destroyed, but Dank did inject some coaches with Hexarelin.

Is there enough doubt that it might have been something else obtained elsewhere by Dank? Thats the 2+ years suspension question.

The problem for the players is that ASADA can prove that Alavi almost certainly made Tb4 under the name Thymosin and gave it to Dank. They can also prove Dank injected players with something the players was advised was Thymosin (edit used the Tb4 injection dosage obtained from Charters). While Danks story about how he obtained Thymomodulin does not stand up. Dank is their defence and his story does not add up.

 

[I Rock]

That last tweet goes to the heart of the matter for me. The people that administered this program can not be seen near our game again. Does not matter if they were banned drugs or not. Using the players in this way, where unknown drugs were administered should be a criminal offence.

I wonder if Chip bothered to respond or let it go through to the keeper after being owned by the Dr.

Agree, however I highly doubt substances were unknown. However for some reason the EFC and those involved in the program think the best defence is to shrug their shoulders and say "dunno". Makes you wonder if this is the case why they think everything that comes with the claim "we shot them up with God knows what". Is a better outcome than, "here is what was used".

 

[Jobe Watson]

and what would you say about their incompetence if they find banned drugs were used at the EFC?

Drugs were used at Essendon, no question.

One of them is 100% banned according to WADA and there is 100% proof our players took it - AOD. Will be interesting to see whether ASADA are competent enough to infract our players over its use.

 

[I Rock]

Alavi said he made up the stuff from what he got from Charter. Charter says it was Tb4. Alavi not knowing what it was matters not. Unless somebody can show Charter is lying, it was Tb4. Alavi cannot say it was not.

Alavi gave said Tb4 to Dank. And Dank told him the stuff he made up was destroyed. Note Alavi cannot say it was destoryed, just that Dank told him it was.

The real issue is what was it Dank injected into the players.

Eithier it was the Tb4 Alavi made up or something unknown that Dank got elsewhere. The person who knows this is Dank, problem is Danks story makes no sense. Dank says he injected them with Thymomodulin he obtained from Alavi.

Dank could not have injected the players with another batch of stuff made up by Alavi that was Thymomodulin, becouse Alavi denied making another batch.

The most likely answer is that what Dank injected the players with was Alavi's Tb4. And that Dank is trying to cover this up with his story about the Tb4 being destroyed. I note that Dank also obtained Hexarelin from Alavi and Dank also told Alavi that this was destroyed, but Dank did inject some coaches with Hexarelin.

Is there enough doubt that it might have been something else obtained elsewhere by Dank? Thats the 2+ years suspension question.

The problem for the players is that ASADA can prove that Alavi almost certainly made Tb4 under the name Thymosin and gave it to Dank. They can also prove Dank injected players with something the players was advised was Thymosin. While Danks story about how he obtained Thymomodulin does not stand up. Dank is their defence and his story does not add up.

Seems to be a number of accounts with the underlying theme of "If something was wrong, then someone else did it."

 

[LoungeLizard]

Alavi said he made up the stuff from what he got from Charter. Charter says it was Tb4. Alavi not knowing what it was matters not. Unless somebody can show Charter is lying, it was Tb4. Alavi cannot say it was not.

Alavi gave said Tb4 to Dank. And Dank told him the stuff he made up was destroyed. Note Alavi cannot say it was destoryed, just that Dank told him it was.

The real issue is what was it Dank injected into the players.

Eithier it was the Tb4 Alavi made up or something unknown that Dank got elsewhere. The person who knows this is Dank, problem is Danks story makes no sense. Dank says he injected them with Thymomodulin he obtained from Alavi.

Dank could not have injected the players with another batch of stuff made up by Alavi that was Thymomodulin, becouse Alavi denied making another batch.

The most likely answer is that what Dank injected the players with was Alavi's Tb4. And that Dank is trying to cover this up with his story about the Tb4 being destroyed. I note that Dank also obtained Hexarelin from Alavi and Dank also told Alavi that this was destroyed, but Dank did inject some coaches with Hexarelin.

Is there enough doubt that it might have been something else obtained elsewhere by Dank? Thats the 2+ years suspension question.

The problem for the players is that ASADA can prove that Alavi almost certainly made Tb4 under the name Thymosin and gave it to Dank. They can also prove Dank injected players with something the players was advised was Thymosin. While Danks story about how he obtained Thymomodulin does not stand up. Dank is their defence and his story does not add up.

So the EFC got an invoice for something that was destroyed?

 

[Armchair Critic]

Alavi said he made up the stuff from what he got from Charter. Charter says it was Tb4. Alavi not knowing what it was matters not. Unless somebody can show Charter is lying, it was Tb4. Alavi cannot say it was not.

Alavi gave said Tb4 to Dank. And Dank told him the stuff he made up was destroyed. Note Alavi cannot say it was destoryed, just that Dank told him it was.

The real issue is what was it Dank injected into the players.

Eithier it was the Tb4 Alavi made up or something unknown that Dank got elsewhere. The person who knows this is Dank, problem is Danks story makes no sense. Dank says he injected them with Thymomodulin he obtained from Alavi.

Dank could not have injected the players with another batch of stuff made up by Alavi that was Thymomodulin, becouse Alavi denied making another batch.

The most likely answer is that what Dank injected the players with was Alavi's Tb4. And that Dank is trying to cover this up with his story about the Tb4 being destroyed. I note that Dank also obtained Hexarelin from Alavi and Dank also told Alavi that this was destroyed, but Dank did inject some coaches with Hexarelin.

Is there enough doubt that it might have been something else obtained elsewhere by Dank? Thats the 2+ years suspension question.

The problem for the players is that ASADA can prove that Alavi almost certainly made Tb4 under the name Thymosin and gave it to Dank. They can also prove Dank injected players with something the players was advised was Thymosin. While Danks story about how he obtained Thymomodulin does not stand up. Dank is their defence and his story does not add up.

Considering there are suppose to be prescriptions for all of it means it should be worrying, maybe not from an ASADA perspective but worrying none the less

 

[Baldur]

So the EFC got an invoice for something that was destroyed?

Something that Alavi says Dank says was destroyed. This actually explains the invoice and why it was reversed. Alavi does the work and bills for it. The client says, stuff useless becouse you stuffed up. Invoice reversed.

 

[LoungeLizard]

Drugs were used at Essendon, no question.

One of them is 100% banned according to WADA and there is 100% proof our players took it - AOD. Will be interesting to see whether ASADA are competent enough to infract our players over its use.

how would you react if the players are found guilty but get of because ASADA didn't follow process?
In other words, you know they took banned drugs, but were cleared

 

[Armchair Critic]

If we were to use AOD right now we would be, yes.

But competent ASADA may have made a boo-boo. Probably why the competent investigator told our players not to worry about AOD because he and his competent organisation (labelled as an "international embarrassment" by Walkley Award Winning journalist Caroline Wilson) would not be perusing it.

perusing it

 

[Jobe Watson]

how would you react if the players are found guilty but get of because ASADA didn't follow process?
In other words, you know they took banned drugs, but were cleared

About as relieved as OJ Simpson or Casey Anthony would've felt.

Justice prevails in the end.

 

[Albert Ross]

Warwick Hadfield was part of the chorus on Radio National this morning. Am I right in thinking he is one of Hird's mates?

Very much so, and shares a tea-room with Martin Hardie at Deakin.

 

[LoungeLizard]

Something that Alavi says Dank says was destroyed. This actually explains the invoice and why it was reversed. Alavi does the work and bills for it. The client says, stuff useless becouse you stuffed up. Invoice reversed.

I don't quite understand>
Alavi uses all the TB4 that was delivered, gives it all to Dank, but tells him it can't be used until it is tested?
Tests fail, drug destroyed, no more drug?

 

[Pinnell]

That last tweet goes to the heart of the matter for me. The people that administered this program can not be seen near our game again. Does not matter if they were banned drugs or not. Using the players in this way, where unknown drugs were administered should be a criminal offence.

I wonder if Chip bothered to respond or let it go through to the keeper after being owned by the Dr.

The good Dr pointed out that it is a pharmacists job know exactly what is is he is dispensing and his job to label accordingly.

 

[Baldur]

Seems to be a number of accounts with the underlying theme of "If something was wrong, then someone else did it."

yea

Does Essendon have invoices predating the injections, beside the reversed ones from Alavi showing them purchasing Thymomodulin or Thymosin and Hexarelin.

If so they can point to said invoices and say the stuff that Alavi made is not what Dank injected. If not, then it appears almost certain it was the stuff Alavi made.

 

[good4footy]

Agree, however I highly doubt substances were unknown. However for some reason the EFC and those involved in the program think the best defence is to shrug their shoulders and say "dunno". Makes you wonder if this is the case why they think everything that comes with the claim "we shot them up with God knows what". Is a better outcome than, "here is what was used".

Yes don't doubt that someone knows what was administered. My point being that what Dr John ( whoever he is) stated in his tweet, hits the nail on the head.

Not sure if anyone knows, but what is the punishment for 'I don't know' compared with 'we administered these drugs and they are illegal'.

The ' we administered these drugs and they are both safe and legal' seems to be off the table as surely that would be the first thing the administrators of this program would have brought to the table.

At best it is 'we don't know what we gave the players' maybe no punishment rules wise ( I don't know) but morally I find it disgusting.

 

[Armchair Critic]

Chip is arguing that Alavi was sending it to be tested as he didn't know what it was , doesn't the article say he gave it to Dank who was going to get it tested lol

 

[van peebles]

About as revealed as OJ Simpson or Casey Anthony would've felt.

Justice prevails in the end.

I think the justice would be getting called drug cheats for the next 20 years,and any bomber fan wouldnt want that to tarnish their day out.
Imagine if james son plays for the club and cops it on a weekly basis,this would be terrible and i think most serious bomber fans would want their medicine now rather than keep paying for it in the future.
Sure the smart alecs may laugh at getting off on a technical,but in 5 years time they would be the ones screaming IF a champion player left the club because of constant innuendo {such as james son]

 

[Baldur]

I don't quite understand>
Alavi uses all the TB4 that was delivered, gives it all to Dank, but tells him it can't be used until it is tested?
Tests fail, drug destroyed, no more drug?

"Alavi uses all the TB4 that was delivered, gives it all to Dank, but tells him it can't be used until it is tested?"

Yes

"Tests fail, drug destroyed, no more drug?"

Dank tells Alavi that the drug was destoyed becouse of how Alavi stored it. Never tested. What did Dank do with it?

 

[good4footy]

The good Dr pointed out that it is a pharmacists job know exactly what is is he is dispensing and his job to label accordingly.

I think we are in furious agreement.

 

[LoungeLizard]

"Alavi uses all the TB4 that was delivered, gives it all to Dank, but tells him it can't be used until it is tested?"

Yes

"Tests fail, drug destroyed, no more drug?"

Dank tells Alavi that the drug was destoyed becouse of how Alavi stored it. Never tested. What did Dank do with it?

So Dank maybe was getting things on the cheap, yet he was supposedly sacked for being 100k over budget.

 

[Jobe Watson]

But you don't have to be found guilty to be guilty. According to you, the club you follow are Drug Cheats. Your words.

In the same way that Brisbane are drug cheats for using a method that was later banned.

Tell you what, if players receive playing bans for the use of AOD, I'll concede people employed by the club definitely gave our players banned substances.

 

[Albert Ross]

"Alavi uses all the TB4 that was delivered, gives it all to Dank, but tells him it can't be used until it is tested?"

Yes

"Tests fail, drug destroyed, no more drug?"

Dank tells Alavi that the drug was destoyed becouse of how Alavi stored it. Never tested. What did Dank do with it?

One would have thought that if Dank (via Charters) provided the drug, and the pharmacist's incompetence destroyed it, that the Bombers would have been asking for more than a cancelled invoice, they'd want replacement or compensation?

Am also interested in the 'cost'. If Dank is providing the drug, and Alavi is billing $Nk dollars - he is actually sending a 4 figure bill entirely for compounding services (and being willing to circumvent the need for a prescription)? Alavi himself is not buying the drug or paying for it? Who is actually purchasing it and putting money in Charters pocket? Is there an invoice between Charters and Alavi or Charters and Dank?

 

[Argy]

Not sure if anyone knows, but what is the punishment for 'I don't know' compared with 'we administered these drugs and they are illegal'.

My view is that athletes who do not know what entered their body are in direct contravention of the code (it says several times that it is the athlete's responsibility). Not knowing what entered their body is a contravention of these rules. In addition, a drug labelled "unknown" would not be suitable for human use under any circumstances. It would therefore be banned automatically under S0.