Coach Chris Scott re-signs to 2022 (aka the Chris Scott discussion Part IV)

[you pick one]

Our physical ball skills have been deplorable, which makes the satisfactory execution of any game plan very difficult, even if the decision making itself were perfect.

Our handball skills are laughable, our ability to hit a target by foot not that much better, and our preference to try and hit up a stationary target over a mobile one simply highlights the lack of skill even more so.

The assistant coaches are guilty of allowing the skills to slip, and deeming it ok to hand CS a team that can't execute them.

CS is guilty of accepting this to date, rather than holding people accountable.

It's hard to successfully implement a game plan when you can't hit a barn door at 10 paces, whether by hand or foot.

Hopefully there's a lot of practice, and a real endeavour to improve our basic footy skills.

Then there's the decision making to look at.............

I seen on the Cats site the other day a player at training shaping to throw a rugby pass,I had that up here when coaching junior grades and came down on them like a ton of bricks.Little things but they're out there to practice the skills of AFL.

 

[Cataholic]

I seen on the Cats site the other day a player at training shaping to throw a rugby pass,I had that up here when coaching junior grades and came down on them like a ton of bricks.Little things but they're out there to practice the skills of AFL.

Yep. I get you need moments of levity to bring the group together etc, but they simply should be practising the basic skills of AFL at every opportunity because, collectively, we're pretty damn ordinary.

 

[Ricketz]

You're backing out because you are interpreting things to suit your argument or worse just making stuff up.

Nope, you are not making any sense, meaningful contribution or point.

In the context of the thread you butted into (Rebuild vs top up), you are either happy with our current strategy, or gunning for an ineffectual and dated approach that is losing more and more relevance as player movement opens up.

As such, I don't care what you want to make the discussion into. Go for it with someone else who has the time to waste.

 

[Ricketz]

Our physical ball skills have been deplorable, which makes the satisfactory execution of any game plan very difficult, even if the decision making itself were perfect.

Our handball skills are laughable, our ability to hit a target by foot not that much better, and our preference to try and hit up a stationary target over a mobile one simply highlights the lack of skill even more so.

The assistant coaches are guilty of allowing the skills to slip, and deeming it ok to hand CS a team that can't execute them.

CS is guilty of accepting this to date, rather than holding people accountable.

It's hard to successfully implement a game plan when you can't hit a barn door at 10 paces, whether by hand or foot.

Hopefully there's a lot of practice, and a real endeavour to improve our basic footy skills.

Then there's the decision making to look at.............

I agree it needs improvement, but statistically we were very similar to WCE, indicating that there is a bit more going on than just our disposal and decision making.

As I said in the post above, I suspect the fact we got the ball in there as efficiently but had lower I50 conversion rate indicates we were hurt more by our inability to hold it in there.

Of course we had 100 odd less entries over the course of the season too. So I suspect that our ruck problems contributed significantly also.

Not so sure it is a simple skills issue only.

 

[dazbroncos]

When you said my assumption (that you would prefer a full rebuild) was wrong.

I think you are reaching Blighty levels here, so I am just going to disengage from a fruitless and meaningless discussion which appears to be an attempt by you to troll to distract from the original topic I was discussing.

Part 4... 33,700 plus posts and still going....

No one is surprised by this.

#shockednotshocked

Go Catters

 

[ATSAM]

Yep, I am pretty sure no club at AFL level is run that way.

We definitely had a game plan, multiple plans in fact. We definitely had player buy in too.

For the most part, even poorly functioning, our game plans were effective. We were only really well beaten once, against Essendon, in all other losses we had a chance to take the game. Running with very inexperienced bottom half of players.

We just did not have consistent execution from the players.

The question is why we don't have consistent execution from the players? No communication, poor selection-players in one week and out the next- no game plan, bad game plan , no on-field leadership, poor player development, players have to be skilled in all positions could be part of the answer. Try any or all of those for an explanation.

 

[Ricketz]

The question is why we don't have consistent execution from the players? No communication, poor selection-players in one week and out the next- no game plan, bad game plan , no on-field leadership, poor player development, players have to be skilled in all positions could be part of the answer. Try any or all of those for an explanation.

That's almost right, except for your last sentence.

There are specific reasons behind it, that may differ from player to player, and game to game.

I think it requires a bit more in depth analysis than just saying the coaches are responsible.

Hell, some days it can be just that your opposition is on fire like Melbourne were in the final. If we got them the way they played against WCE, their pressure is non existent, skills are up, it's a different game.

I am in no way saying that is the only reason we lost, just saying that how the opposition plays also affects how you play, regardless of preparation. Hawthorn 2008, for example. There are many influences that impact our performance, and unlikely to be just coaching.

 

[you pick one]

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That's almost right, except for your last sentence.

There are specific reasons behind it, that may differ from player to player, and game to game.

I think it requires a bit more in depth analysis than just saying the coaches are responsible.

Hell, some days it can be just that your opposition is on fire like Melbourne were in the final. If we got them the way they played against WCE, their pressure is non existent, skills are up, it's a different game.

I am in no way saying that is the only reason we lost, just saying that how the opposition plays also affects how you play, regardless of preparation. Hawthorn 2008, for example. There are many influences that impact our performance, and unlikely to be just coaching.

We should be expecting all sides to throw the kitchen sink at us though in the first quarter,we have shown we can fumble and be pressured into making poor decisions early on before settling,I believe it's a set tactic employed against us at the start of games and one we need to learn to counter.

 

[Cataholic]

I agree it needs improvement, but statistically we were very similar to WCE, indicating that there is a bit more going on than just our disposal and decision making.

As I said in the post above, I suspect the fact we got the ball in there as efficiently but had lower I50 conversion rate indicates we were hurt more by our inability to hold it in there.

Of course we had 100 odd less entries over the course of the season too. So I suspect that our ruck problems contributed significantly also.

Not so sure it is a simple skills issue only.

Yes, it's more than just skill, but a lack thereof has a lot to do with it.

Turning it over consistently means we lose the ball and therefore either cannot get it forward or keep it in there. We then spend a lot of time chasing tail. ... .

Of course, missing a target by hand or foot is one thing, but choosing the wrong target to begin with is a whole other dimension, as you say.

 

[cynical]

No, it clearly hasn't always worked. I'll just keep posting the list of multiple rebuild failures that started from the ground up:

Saints
Richmond
Melbourne
Carlton
Freo
Port
GWS
GCS
Essendon
Collingwood

What are you on about? Can you give examples of how they rebuilt over a certain number of years and why its failed?

I could come up with a perfect system for a club to build a list good enough for a flag it doesn't mean they will win one.

Its not just list building that is required to win a flag.

Some clubs stay at the bottom not because they are rebuilding but because they fail in many areas. A lot of clubs just get whatever they can without any long term plan.

 

[Max Milburn]

I also see the lauding now of Matthew Scarlett as the driver of this "2018/19 revolution"

It's interesting that the same people lauding Scarlett are the ones bemoaning Enright.

 

[Spazz Cat]

What are you on about? Can you give examples of how they rebuilt over a certain number of years and why its failed?

I could come up with a perfect system for a club to build a list good enough for a flag it doesn't mean they will win one.

Its not just list building that is required to win a flag.

Some clubs stay at the bottom not because they are rebuilding but because they fail in many areas. A lot of clubs just get whatever they can without any long term plan.

Exactly, if your a poorly run club who cant keep or develop players you ain't winning a flag, with high draft picks or high quality trades.

 

[Max Milburn]

I hope Chris Scott has a brilliant Christmas, steals Brad's prawns and gets back to work in time to win us another flag.

 

[Spazz Cat]

I hope Chris Scott has a brilliant Christmas, steals Brad's prawns and gets back to work in time to win us another flag.

Norf players get called crabs all the time, but prawns is a newy.

 

[Nickoo]

I agree it needs improvement, but statistically we were very similar to WCE, indicating that there is a bit more going on than just our disposal and decision making.

As I said in the post above, I suspect the fact we got the ball in there as efficiently but had lower I50 conversion rate indicates we were hurt more by our inability to hold it in there.

Of course we had 100 odd less entries over the course of the season too. So I suspect that our ruck problems contributed significantly also.

Not so sure it is a simple skills issue only.

Thats good analysis Rickety.


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[Ricketz]

What are you on about? Can you give examples of how they rebuilt over a certain number of years and why its failed?

I could come up with a perfect system for a club to build a list good enough for a flag it doesn't mean they will win one.

Its not just list building that is required to win a flag.

Some clubs stay at the bottom not because they are rebuilding but because they fail in many areas. A lot of clubs just get whatever they can without any long term plan.

Oh the hypocrisy in this comment...

Just because you build a list good enough doesn't mean you will win a flag.

Just because our current strategy has built a list good enough doesn't mean you will win a flag either.

 

[Ricketz]

Exactly, if your a poorly run club who cant keep or develop players you ain't winning a flag, with high draft picks or high quality trades.

So the problem is that we are a poorly run club? Ridiculous comment, especially when we are seen by other clubs as a model.

 

[Spazz Cat]

So the problem is that we are a poorly run club? Ridiculous comment, especially when we are seen by other clubs as a model.

I did not say that. Where did I say that. Have we not won flags in the last 10 years
Anyway Merry Xmas man. Hope it's a good day.

 

[Ricketz]

I did not say that. Where did I say that. Have we not won flags in the last 10 years
Anyway Merry Xmas man. Hope it's a good day.

Fair enough, I inferred that you meant we have had a decent list, our issue must be a poorly run club.

Merry Xmas to you too.

 

[Spazz Cat]

Fair enough, I inferred that you meant we have had a decent list, our issue must be a poorly run club.

Merry Xmas to you too.

Nah I was responding to an earlier post about teams like Brissy, Carlton etc

 

[ATSAM]

That's almost right, except for your last sentence.

There are specific reasons behind it, that may differ from player to player, and game to game.

I think it requires a bit more in depth analysis than just saying the coaches are responsible.

Hell, some days it can be just that your opposition is on fire like Melbourne were in the final. If we got them the way they played against WCE, their pressure is non existent, skills are up, it's a different game.

I am in no way saying that is the only reason we lost, just saying that how the opposition plays also affects how you play, regardless of preparation. Hawthorn 2008, for example. There are many influences that impact our performance, and unlikely to be just coaching.

Perhaps there is an element of truth in what you say. But for example in the 2008 GF if Tooke had been on Hodge instead of an injured Stokes and Johnson had been told to stay in the forward line then the outcome may have been different. Poor game plan and poor skill development and poor coaching and poor selection will outdo ordinary players every time.

 

[Ricketz]

Perhaps there is an element of truth in what you say. But for example in the 2008 GF if Tooke had been on Hodge instead of an injured Stokes and Johnson had been told to stay in the forward line then the outcome may have been different. Poor game plan and poor skill development and poor coaching and poor selection will outdo ordinary players every time.

Well, we also clearly were frazzled by their intensity too and made many mistakes off the players' own backs. Hawthorn played the game of their lives and had everything go pretty right for them. We had a number of things go wrong. But we had just flogged Port the previous year, and won the following in a grinding epic. So it probably shows how quickly things can change at least, and if you are generous, also shows that many things have to go right for you to win a flag.

 

[Man0gwaR74]

WE ALWAYS BEAT GEELONG WHEN IT MATTERS.
Jesus if i had a dollar for every time i heard that ******* line when we had 11 in row..

Umm ...and then when they did actually beat us it was when it mattered most. Sorry guys but we have got to wear that! 2013 the Cats had their chance to cap off that rivalry with a tale that they would have made a movie about but we choked in the last qtr; Lest we forget! #ScottNeedsToGo!

 

[Man0gwaR74]

It's interesting that the same people lauding Scarlett are the ones bemoaning Enright.

Care to name them? I haven't noticed any.

 

[Vdubs]

It's interesting that the same people lauding Scarlett are the ones bemoaning Enright.

Who on earth has any idea what Boris, or Scarlo, or CS actually do?
None of us.
These posts that recur are worse now because there is so little to talk about.
It makes for unboring reading but the factual content must be close to miniscule in most cases.