News Clarkson news, media etc - he’s off into the Sunset!

[Strapping Young Lad]

Full Presser at the link below.

 

[Stratton24]

You doubting what’s in his contract? There’s a clause for 23/24, take it to the bank.

No exactly what you said is accurate. He does not get paid by us in 2023/2024 if he does not coach elsewhere, he has a job with us in a yet to be determined role, he does not just paid for no work and it's a greatly reduced figure. But well done pretty close.

 

[TylerDurden]

 

[Stratton24]

That actually makes no sense - if Richmond use all their draft picks as Cotchin and Riewoldt retire they will fade away and will bottom out quickly. If they top up with Josh Kelly or Matt Crouch and traded for Cerra they would be a big chance to grab another flag or two while they still have Martin and others at a decent age. If we farewelled all our legends and didn't bring in Tom Mitchell and JOM we would have still bottomed out for 5 or so years just would have happened sooner.

 

[Cyril says]

No exactly what you said is accurate. He does not get paid by us in 2023/2024 if he does not coach elsewhere, he has a job with us in a yet to be determined role, he does not just paid for no work and it's a greatly reduced figure. But well done pretty close.

I also believe the 2023/24 clause is as an advisor on a vastly reduced rate (and commitment).

It’s a severance pay/lock up the IP clause. Wouldn’t mind if it’s excercised if it would add value but also wouldn’t mind Clarko negotiating a partial payout of same, as often happens.

my view is he will coach out 2022 with us and then he’ll take a few months to sort out what’s next.

But who knows? That’s why it’s called speculation!

 

[Flukey!]

Kudos to Linda CRS who seems to be the most credible poster on “the succession plan.”

On pretty much anything to do with the internals of the HFC.

Perhaps Linda CRS could reinvigorate/own the Shhhhhhhhhhhhhh thread that Grizz set up?
That thread was very keenly followed, even if its wasn't always accurate.

 

[toomanysquibs]

Undermining him with leaks to journos who are eager to critique the club is disrespectful and actually tarnishes the whole institution.

No honourable organisation would suffer the type of people who do this to strengthen their internal position. That is dead wood you want cut out sooner rather than later.

I'm no fan of Jeff, but if he's put this to bed today, then all is well.

But if someone did try to undermine our great coach in this way, they would need to be removed. For the overall health of the organisation, someone like that would just need to be gone.

 

[Opens positions]

AFL know Clarkson contract details as does his manager, maybe leaks from them.
I don't know but gut feel it's not hawks.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

I have a long been a Clarkson supporter but I am overall a HFC supporter.

Being given some snippets of information that correlate and validate Tom Morris’s article makes me think that we just need to rip the Band-Aid off and part ways ASAP.

 

[MasterSamurai]

Love what clarkos done for our club but this set up can't continue on next year. Let's celebrate the last 6 games of the Great man coaching the Hawks !
Exciting times ahead.

 

[Brucie Buffer]

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becomes a prominent board member and makes Clarko see out the last year of his contract coaching Box Hill because he won’t be part of our next premiership

 

[Hawkk]

you seem very clear, I’d like to hear things to support your assertions. Seems he is a victim of his own success. Clarko rebuilt the team and the club more than any individual, although he did it by assembling a crack team.

will you hold mitchell to the standards? The current list is better depth wise than the 2004 one, but we don’t know if a mitchell, hodge, brown top echelon will emerge

btw I think it would be unfair to hold mitchell to those standards.

Btw there was no ‘topping up’ at the end of 2015 runs against the narrative and Clarko started rebuilding the team particularly the midfield in 2016, moving on hale, lake, mitchell, Lewis hodge etc
But instead of taking on purely draftees (which would have made the team completely uncompetitive btw) he/they took on mid age players who were being overlooked at their clubs, as well as the best draftees our poor draft hand permitted

Given the now apparent impatience from the board, had the club gone for the hard rebuild then, clearly Clarko would have left long ago.

For mine we are now looking at no clarko, but still with a board with significant drawbacks

but how do we judge the board? Dingley may give us a clue, still looking like a money pit. It has too many shades of 1993 for me. I really really hope I’m proven wrong

Did the 1993 President have a special clause where he can terminate any board member at his time and his choosing?

Kennett's agreement with his board: quit if I say so ...

Jeff Kennett has won an agreement from every member of his Hawthorn board to quit if the club president demands their resignation.

www.google.com.au

Honestly the governance here is ‘crazy bad’

 

[toomanysquibs]

Kennett's agreement with his board: quit if I say so ...

Jeff Kennett has won an agreement from every member of his Hawthorn board to quit if the club president demands their resignation.

www.google.com.au

Honestly the governance here is ‘crazy bad’

Why would anyone grant a man with an incredibly solid history of going full looney, this type of power?

Sweet baby Jesus you just hope that this is not true.

 

[Satchel]

Why would anyone grant a man with an incredibly solid history of going full looney, this type of power?

Sweet baby Jesus you just hope that this is not true.

I agree with Felicity on this one

 

[Luv_our_club]

Why would anyone grant a man with an incredibly solid history of going full looney, this type of power?

Sweet baby Jesus you just hope that this is not true.

Jeff publically has said that:

1. the board decision was unanimous on the Clarkson sacking
2. 100% of the Hawthorn membership agree with the decision

Think about THAT! Does ANY of those two statements ring true?

What happened to his bullshit claims about the importance of corporate governance and proper procedure? Where were the interviews? Where was the selection panel???????????? How did the board just knife Clarkson and throw the keys to Mitchell?

What happened to the importance of surrounding yourself with people who might disagree with you?

Ever since the club gave Jeff's the right to `hire and fire' the Board, he has built a board of Yes Men and devotees; that's why he gets to chose when he stands down and Clarkson doesn't get to chose.

The HFC board agreed to the sacking of the best coach in the comp (who had 10 to 20 years left in him) without any PROCESS.

The consequences are that Mitchell comes to us with heaps and heaps of baggage now. Thanks JEFF
And we lose the best advantage we have ever had: our culture.

We all need to mourn the loss of Clarkson (our best link to Kennedy and our best chances of preserving culture after so many deaths of club greats)

 

[Luv_our_club]

I have a long been a Clarkson supporter but I am overall a HFC supporter.

Being given some snippets of information that correlate and validate Tom Morris’s article makes me think that we just need to rip the Band-Aid off and part ways ASAP.

Jeff and co are leaking and throwing mud at clarkson to justify their decision; and Hawthorn supporters fall for it

Jeff never realised the difference between footy clubs and corporations/politics.

More importantly, he never realised the difference between the Hawthorn Football Club and every other club.

 

[Luv_our_club]

I find it suspicious that our CEO just got a 4-5 year contract just before Clarkson was sacked. The length of the appointment doesn't make sense.

How does that contract square with the "corporate governance" values of Jeff? The values that Jeff always finds exceptions for to suit himself?

Was the long contact the price and security that Reeves asked for in order to support the knifing of Clarkson? Or was it just a carrot that Jeff waived to bring Reeves over to his side?

We know Jeff already had the Board under his thumb. Wright left. What resistance to Jeff was left standing? Not the lethargic and forgiving Hawthorn supporter base who mostly have gone along with every Kennett backflip and contradiction since 2019

Nothing that happened this month makes any sense or adds up with what Jeff tells us.

So many of our great leaders have passed away. Jeans, Kennedy, Arthur... and we just lost Clarkson and we are getting who in return? Jeff and SAM who now has the whistle because he went via the back door undermining his own coach.

Our culture is in Jeff's hands and it is in absolute peril. Jeff who lies to us every time he is questioned about what is happening.

 

[Luv_our_club]

Jeff really stuffed it for Sam.... the best advice Sam could have got is "Don't knife your ex-coach"


There was the Kennedy-Parkin handover in the car park;

There was the Jeans-Joyce-Jeans agreement

We have had sackings of past greats....Knights, Schwab etc

and...

We have developed 7 or more current AFL coaches under Clarkson during his time at the club, without those people trying to take Clarkson's job from him....

BUT we have never had an ex-player and assistant coach being pushed by the board to knife his mentor in the back, as Sam has done to Alistair

Thanks Jeff.

I really wonder if our clubs culture can survive this.

We all should be ashamed of ourselves for letting this happen.

 

[Luv_our_club]

Most Hawthorn supporters know the story of Ian Robson (the Hawthorn CEO during our 2008 flag).He left us in 2009 for Essendon. It made Clarkson furious.

When Robson told Clarkson the news and offered to serve out his notice with the club - finish out the season - it led to Clarkson's verbal tirade. Clarkson told Robson to leave the property immediately

Loyalty is Everything to Clarkson. .

HOWEVER -

The truth BEHIND what happened is this: (all recorded in print by Hawthorn people)

1. The Dons were looking for a new CEO

2. Kennett as President of Hawthorn approached Essendon and suggested they approach Robson

3. Kennett then approached Robson and suggested he apply for the Essendon job. (Robson was an Essendon man).

4. Kennett kept all this secret from Clarkson.

5. When there was confirmation of Robsons new appointment, Kennett told Robson to go and tell Clarkson. Then Kennett sat back and watched the fireworks when Clarkson found out.


It is very significant that Clarkson has never ever ever ever ever thanked Kennett in any of his speeches. Maybe he has in one or two minor exceptions.

Jeff is a tumor on the club. We can't believe a word he says.

 

[HODGEYROAD]

Jeff and co are leaking and throwing mud at clarkson to justify their decision; and Hawthorn supporters fall for it

Jeff never realised the difference between footy clubs and corporations/politics.

More importantly, he never realised the difference between the Hawthorn Football Club and every other club.

I'm not getting involved with any politics side of it.

From a football perspective we have had a 5 year period of 12th, 5th, 9th, 15th, 17th/18th so I'm cool with a fresh approach as coach.

 

[flinchfree]

Luv Our Club, that's the biggest dummy spit I've ever seen on this board, and that's saying something.
Your potting of Sammy is disgraceful.
Your placing of Clarko as some chalice that must never be touched is ridiculous and counter productive to a successful future for Hawthorn.

From your outrage I can see you are less interested in that possibility and more invested in hurt feelings.
If you can get more people on board with that attitude you may indeed spearhead a splintered and disfunctional time for our Club.
Because regardless, Clarko is gone. All you can try to do is cover the exit in as much stinky sewage as possible.
Or look to the positives that will come from it, as indeed there are if you were to stop covering your ears and yelling as loudly as possible.

Maybe you should focus on loving our club and less on loving our current coach.

 

[The hands of stone]

I think we are heading to an announcement a week or so out of the last round stating that the club and Clarko have 'mutually' opted to part ways.

Hopefully we will get to attend the game to thank him for delivering 4 flags to our club.

 

[Pessimistic]

Jeff publically has said that:

1. the board decision was unanimous on the Clarkson sacking
2. 100% of the Hawthorn membership agree with the decision

Think about THAT! Does ANY of those two statements ring true?

What happened to his bullshit claims about the importance of corporate governance and proper procedure? Where were the interviews? Where was the selection panel???????????? How did the board just knife Clarkson and throw the keys to Mitchell?

What happened to the importance of surrounding yourself with people who might disagree with you?

Ever since the club gave Jeff's the right to `hire and fire' the Board, he has built a board of Yes Men and devotees; that's why he gets to chose when he stands down and Clarkson doesn't get to chose.

The HFC board agreed to the sacking of the best coach in the comp (who had 10 to 20 years left in him) without any PROCESS.

The consequences are that Mitchell comes to us with heaps and heaps of baggage now. Thanks JEFF
And we lose the best advantage we have ever had: our culture.

We all need to mourn the loss of Clarkson (our best link to Kennedy and our best chances of preserving culture after so many deaths of club greats)

clarko is 50 times the character Jeff is.

I laugh that apparently people at the club are ‘sick’ of clarkos personality/intensity, but are ‘Jeff men’

in the words of woosha, suck it up princesses

 

[Pessimistic]

Luv Our Club, that's the biggest dummy spit I've ever seen on this board, and that's saying something.
Your potting of Sammy is disgraceful.
Your placing of Clarko as some chalice that must never be touched is ridiculous and counter productive to a successful future for Hawthorn.

From your outrage I can see you are less interested in that possibility and more invested in hurt feelings.
If you can get more people on board with that attitude you may indeed spearhead a splintered and disfunctional time for our Club.
Because regardless, Clarko is gone. All you can try to do is cover the exit in as much stinky sewage as possible.
Or look to the positives that will come from it, as indeed there are if you were to stop covering your ears and yelling as loudly as possible.

Maybe you should focus on loving our club and less on loving our current coach.

‘if only it was Jeff’s departure you were justifying. The mans a cancer

 

[Pessimistic]

Most Hawthorn supporters know the story of Ian Robson (the Hawthorn CEO during our 2008 flag).He left us in 2009 for Essendon. It made Clarkson furious.

When Robson told Clarkson the news and offered to serve out his notice with the club - finish out the season - it led to Clarkson's verbal tirade. Clarkson told Robson to leave the property immediately

Loyalty is Everything to Clarkson. .

HOWEVER -

The truth BEHIND what happened is this: (all recorded in print by Hawthorn people)

1. The Dons were looking for a new CEO

2. Kennett as President of Hawthorn approached Essendon and suggested they approach Robson

3. Kennett then approached Robson and suggested he apply for the Essendon job. (Robson was an Essendon man).

4. Kennett kept all this secret from Clarkson.

5. When there was confirmation of Robsons new appointment, Kennett told Robson to go and tell Clarkson. Then Kennett sat back and watched the fireworks when Clarkson found out.


It is very significant that Clarkson has never ever ever ever ever thanked Kennett in any of his speeches. Maybe he has in one or two minor exceptions.

Jeff is a tumor on the club. We can't believe a word he says.

‘kennet signed off on the club paying for Robson to do an MBA, a person who was supposed to be ‘business ready already’ let’s just muse on that

 

[Pessimistic]

I find it suspicious that our CEO just got a 4-5 year contract just before Clarkson was sacked. The length of the appointment doesn't make sense.

How does that contract square with the "corporate governance" values of Jeff? The values that Jeff always finds exceptions for to suit himself?

Was the long contact the price and security that Reeves asked for in order to support the knifing of Clarkson? Or was it just a carrot that Jeff waived to bring Reeves over to his side?

We know Jeff already had the Board under his thumb. Wright left. What resistance to Jeff was left standing? Not the lethargic and forgiving Hawthorn supporter base who mostly have gone along with every Kennett backflip and contradiction since 2019

Nothing that happened this month makes any sense or adds up with what Jeff tells us.

So many of our great leaders have passed away. Jeans, Kennedy, Arthur... and we just lost Clarkson and we are getting who in return? Jeff and SAM who now has the whistle because he went via the back door undermining his own coach.

Our culture is in Jeff's hands and it is in absolute peril. Jeff who lies to us every time he is questioned about what is happening.

I just hope the club isn’t too screwed over when we MEMBERS come to our senses. I don’t think a cool million dollars from kids piggybanks 1996 style will fix this one