News Clarkson news, media etc - he’s off into the Sunset!

[Strapping Young Lad]

Full Presser at the link below.

 

[burton5]

One serious tell tale sign of the mentality within was drafting a young kid with serious social issues that other clubs would not touch. His problems were not a secret. High risk high reward that was just not necessary in a pond full of young talent.

Like 3 different players you could be referring to here, but realistically after Garlett/Hartung/Burton maybe half a dozen players would be locks to be still playing for us right now with few of them being outright stars. If narrowing the focus further on Garlett (who was drafted in 2013), I feel that with the list we had, the football department was well within their right to take a punt on an elite talent.

(Sidenote - yes I would like to change my username)

 

[HODGEYROAD]

To be fair, the Cats current team is made up of a high percentage of players over 30. Then they traded 3 firsts for Cameron.
They may win the flag this year, or may not. But their cliff will be the biggest we've ever seen.

I still don't think it'll be as bad as ours but time will tell. We're currently at two straight bottom 4 finishes that potentially includes a spoon.

 

[Mercy Seat]

I am happy to be corrected but my recollection is that it was the club that wanted to follow Geelong's model. It was the club that used Geelong as the benchmark. Nothing wrong with this because you always look at what your biggest competitors are doing. But we need answers from Kennett and the board given the enormity of the failure. In any business this is when wholesale sackings begin. And not just in one department because this has been a whole of organisation failure.

I’ve said this a few times, but whilst the strategy deserves critique, a lot of it can be pinned on some pretty bad luck. Cyril retiring early, significant injuries to the likes of Tom Mitchell, Roughy getting cancer, and missing out on elite A graders who had verbally indicated they would come. Meanwhile Geelong had none of these things happen, in fact quite the opposite, Hawkins becoming an even better player in his 30s, plucking Kelly and then getting all those first rounders in return, the best player in the comp wanting to come to them (Dangerfield).

 

[Gaston]

Geelong has a huge advantage based on its location and the catchment of players from the south western farming district.
Players either want to return to that lifestyle or others are encouraged by it - see Isaac Smith

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Isaac Smith

Age

35

Ht

188cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

21.3

5star

K

13.0

5star

HB

8.4

5star

M

5.5

5star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.7

4star

D

19.4

4star

K

11.1

4star

HB

8.3

4star

M

3.8

4star

T

2.5

3star

CL

1.3

4star

D

19.2

5star

K

10.6

4star

HB

8.6

5star

M

7.6

5star

T

2.0

4star

CL

0.6

3star

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As stated above, luck has played its part but an alterntive lifestyle does help its ability to remain higher up the ladder.

 

[fieval]

No, rather than repeating myself I’ll leave this subject now other than to go back to where I started. For all the challenge that Clarkson is supposedly to handle he needs to exit in the right manner. He’s not and that’s a terrible shame.

In my opinion this is the saddest part of the whole situation.

I actually find myself hoping that he takes another club to glory after 2022.... (However, not GeLoL or *, thats a bridge TOO far !! )
It's a strange feeling....

 

[Opens positions]

Employee Clarkson exit not being handled in the right manner.
I agree in that employee should have been drop kicked out the door and no need for any payment imo.
Maybe it's employee Clarkson and manager that played this in the wrong manner and backfired.
Just a gut feel and if this isn't right then it must be the extra spicy curry from last night.

 

[Yardie]

Employee Clarkson exit not being handled in the right manner.
I agree in that employee should have been drop kicked out the door and no need for any payment imo.
Maybe it's employee Clarkson and manager that played this in the wrong manner and backfired.
Just a gut feel and if this isn't right then it must be the extra spicy curry from last night.

You really need to show some respect to Clarkson with yours posts. This is really below the belt stuff in how you refer to him.

 

[The hands of stone]

I’ve said this a few times, but whilst the strategy deserves critique, a lot of it can be pinned on some pretty bad luck. Cyril retiring early, significant injuries to the likes of Tom Mitchell, Roughy getting cancer, and missing out on elite A graders who had verbally indicated they would come. Meanwhile Geelong had none of these things happen, in fact quite the opposite, Hawkins becoming an even better player in his 30s, plucking Kelly and then getting all those first rounders in return, the best player in the comp wanting to come to them (Dangerfield).

I still say Cyril retiring when he did had a huge impact on the team and club . And we are still feeling it a little bit.
Never really gets mentioned .

Imagine taking his equivalent out of one of the top sides now ? Would be massive.
Unfortunately all the 50/50 things went the other way

 

[The hands of stone]

I still don't think it'll be as bad as ours but time will tell. We're currently at two straight bottom 4 finishes that potentially includes a spoon.

Look at their players ages , not only there best players but there B graders and depth .
70% will be out in 2-3 years time .
They simple will not be able to replace or cope with that turnover.
Itll happen very quickly when it does too

 

[CliffMcTainshaw]

Employee Clarkson exit not being handled in the right manner.
I agree in that employee should have been drop kicked out the door and no need for any payment imo.
Maybe it's employee Clarkson and manager that played this in the wrong manner and backfired.
Just a gut feel and if this isn't right then it must be the extra spicy curry from last night.

Hello Jeff?

 

[Brishawk]

I feel like we will never really know whether how things went down within the club. In the end it won’t matter. Clarko will ride off into the sunset and those left will be responsible for rebuilding the club.

 

[Hawkk]

To be fair, the Cats current team is made up of a high percentage of players over 30. Then they traded 3 firsts for Cameron.
They may win the flag this year, or may not. But their cliff will be the biggest we've ever seen.

Geelong is basically Hawthorn 2016.

Funny thing is that in 2016 the Geelong supporters board was whinging about how Hawthorn remained a perpetual threat for the premiership whilst the Cats were a consistent 4 to 6 placed team.

Geelong never capitalised on the Gary Ablett compensation which was the biggest free kick in the history of the comp.

Imagine where Hawthorn might be today if we got similar compensation for Franklin

 

[Hawkk]

You really need to show some respect to Clarkson with yours posts. This is really below the belt stuff in how you refer to him.

It’s a shame that the president without a mandate from the members handled the situation without any tact whatsoever.

Clarkson is after all the most successful coach in Hawthorn’s storied history.

Still if it gives the failed politician who is also a keen gardener relevance well that’s just gravy.

I just hope the resigned CEO has the wherewithal to call out the ‘keen gardener’ next time he sprouts out the garlic about relocating to Tasmania or voicing his lockdown views which has cost the club a multi million dollar grant (his words).

As it stands the Victorian liberal party and Beyond Blue have shown more strength in turfing out the pensioner.

Consider this, the Victorian liberal party has shown more strength than the Hawthorn Football Club.

The way this has been handled is laughable...

 

[HODGEYROAD]

Look at their players ages , not only there best players but there B graders and depth .
70% will be out in 2-3 years time .
They simple will not be able to replace or cope with that turnover.
Itll happen very quickly when it does too

Yeah I'm aware of how old they're, just saying the cliff we've fallen off is pretty big so it remains to be seen if Geelong's is just as bad.

 

[Pessimistic]

Is all that’s needed is a member to ask at the agm why Kennett is president in contravention of the articles he implemented?

surely pro kennet posters would like to point to a successful dingley venture which is how many years in the making now?

 

[Carl Spackler]

Is all that’s needed is a member to ask at the agm why Kennett is president in contravention of the articles he implemented?

surely pro kennet posters would like to point to a successful dingley venture which is how many years in the making now?

If it's the killer blow you think it is then I'm amazed no one has finished off Kennett with it already. There must be 82k morons in the Hawthorn membership and only about 20 geniuses.

 

[Davo-27]

I can see why Clarko got the sack, being too controlling, leading us to the bottom for 2 seasons with no clear path out, having favourites and playing them ahead of more in form options, spending all of 2020 acting like rebuild was a dirty word, i know Kennett has wanted more youth, at one point he and the board wanted Jeka to debut and Clarko ignored them for nearly a month ect, also it seems he is putting some of his favourite players ahead of the clubs best interests in recent years almost as a payback for past success.

So im for Clarko being moved on, i dont think he is the right man for the job going forward and if he heads off to Carlton or Collingwood then the best of luck to him, he has been a great servent of the club and even though i wouldve liked a more merit based hire, good luck to Sam Mitchell

As for Kennett i think he should move on soon and get a new president to lead the club in our next era.

 

[Pessimistic]

I can see why Clarko got the sack, being too controlling, leading us to the bottom for 2 seasons with no clear path out, having favourites and playing them ahead of more in form options, spending all of 2020 acting like rebuild was a dirty word, i know Kennett has wanted more youth, at one point he and the board wanted Jeka to debut and Clarko ignored them for nearly a month ect, also it seems he is putting some of his favourite players ahead of the clubs best interests in recent years almost as a payback for past success.

So im for Clarko being moved on, i dont think he is the right man for the job going forward and if he heads off to Carlton or Collingwood then the best of luck to him, he has been a great servent of the club and even though i wouldve liked a more merit based hire, good luck to Sam Mitchell

As for Kennett i think he should move on soon and get a new president to lead the club in our next era.

so the successful players currently being played (or even on the list) are bigboy (whom Kennett presumably signed off as captain) Burgoyne (who is being transitioned into coaching ‘renewal’ Shiels and bruest.

so which are favourites? As I mentioned before the best part of this is kennet didn’t get much input on the new coach, who knows what he’d come up with. We know before he wanted to get lethal (whohas no interest in hawthorn and at the time was as old as Clarko is now)

could it be the board wants someone they can push around or even better scapegoat?

 

[Davo-27]

so the successful players currently being played (or even on the list) are bigboy (whom Kennett presumably signed off as captain) Burgoyne (who is being transitioned into coaching ‘renewal’ Shiels and bruest.

so which are favourites? As I mentioned before the best part of this is kennet didn’t get much input on the new coach, who knows what he’d come up with. We know before he wanted to get lethal (whohas no interest in hawthorn and at the time was as old as Clarko is now)

could it be the board wants someone they can push around or even better scapegoat?

you dont need to be a premiership player to be a Clarko favourite, TOB, Hanrahan, Morrison, Schoey, Vickery, Scully, Patton, Shiels, Burgoyne who was cooked last year, Wingard, Ceglar, others in previous years you know the guys who are in terrible form that never get dropped or only drop out for 1 week when anyone else has to more than earn their opportunity and get dropped for 1 mistake.

 

[Pessimistic]

you dont need to be a premiership player to be a Clarko favourite, TOB, Hanrahan, Morrison, Schoey, Vickery, Scully, Patton, Shiels, Burgoyne who was cooked last year, Wingard, Ceglar, others in previous years you know the guys who are in terrible form that never get dropped or only drop out for 1 week when anyone else has to more than earn their opportunity and get dropped for 1 mistake.

sorry, I thought by ‘rewarding favourites because of success you meant actual success. My bad

 

[blackheart]

Tom Browne had a meltdown after the game - ended up deleting this post:

 

[wahawk]

surely pro kennet posters would like to point to a successful dingley venture which is how many years in the making now?

What a pathetic comment.
Why, in the world we are currently living in, do you think Dingley hasn’t gone ahead ?

If it had gone ahead & we were currently $millions in debt, you would be potting Kennett for that too.

I want Kennett gone, bad that comment is just straight out ****ing stupid.

 

[wahawk]

Tom Browne had a meltdown after the game - ended up deleting this post: View attachment 1180011

Where’s the meltdown ?

 

[Davo23]

Employee Clarkson exit not being handled in the right manner.
I agree in that employee should have been drop kicked out the door and no need for any payment imo.
Maybe it's employee Clarkson and manager that played this in the wrong manner and backfired.
Just a gut feel and if this isn't right then it must be the extra spicy curry from last night.

You don’t need to post your views here, Caro.

Keep some ammo for your newspaper article.

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[Opens positions]

If this was Caro don't think any holding back at all and have a headline for front page so obviously not and supports a rival.
I support Hawthorn football club Always.