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JackOutback said:
How do we know Simpson didn't take on board his suggestions and implement them? Assistance coaches are hired to assist, the suggestion they don't have any influence on the coach would not be correct in most instances.
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I didn't say he didn't I am just saying that Assistant coaches don't have final say. Never have and never will.
The coaching group generally will work together to implement the senior coaches plan. But ultimately the senior coach has final say on everything.
Maybe he did do everything the assistants said? we will never know this.
 
greatwhiteshark said:
I didn't say he didn't I am just saying that Assistant coaches don't have final say. Never have and never will.
The coaching group generally will work together to implement the senior coaches plan. But ultimately the senior coach has final say on everything.
Maybe he did do everything the assistants said? we will never know this.
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I agree, just saying we can't ignore his past years in the job because for all we know, he may be culpable for the shitshow. Yeah, Simmo got the last word, that's why he got fired first, but we can't simply wipe our hands and say the cause of the problem is gone. The club will obviously know more, the rest of us are just guessing.
 
JackOutback said:
I agree, just saying we can't ignore his past years in the job because for all we know, he may be culpable for the shitshow. Yeah, Simmo got the last word, that's why he got fired first, but we can't simply wipe our hands and say the cause of the problem is gone. The club will obviously know more, the rest of us are just guessing.
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If he applies for the role he will be granted the same process as the others. It is then on the club who they appoint.
My opinion is if they go for a first time coach then I would go Schofield. Just my opinion.
 

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JackOutback said:
I agree, just saying we can't ignore his past years in the job because for all we know, he may be culpable for the shitshow. Yeah, Simmo got the last word, that's why he got fired first, but we can't simply wipe our hands and say the cause of the problem is gone. The club will obviously know more, the rest of us are just guessing.
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Similarly, we cannot run with coaching being cause of every ill.
 
greatwhiteshark said:
If he applies for the role he will be granted the same process as the others. It is then on the club who they appoint.
My opinion is if they go for a first time coach then I would go Schofield. Just my opinion.
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What are the odds that the best first-time coaching candidate is already at the club?
 
greatwhiteshark said:
If he has done his job then he implemented the Adam Simpson game plan and structure. Assistant coaches get to suggest only, they don't get to change things without approval of the senior coach.
This is why senior coaches get 1m per year and assistants get a 300k per year.

The person who didn't improve our midfield has gone now.
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Sam Mitchell was listened to by Simmo and he was only an assistant, Sam was a recently retired midfielder and not some one who played in the 1990's, if he hadn't been listened to we would not have won the 2018 Flag.

When the players go to the qtr and half time breaks they spend more time with their respective line coaches than they do with their coach. The assistants are there to teach, if they were doing their jobs we wouldn't be where this proud club is now and will be for the next 5 yrs.
 
BSD said:
Sam Mitchell was listened to by Simmo and he was only an assistant, Sam was a recently retired midfielder and not some one who played in the 1990's, if he hadn't been listened to we would not have won the 2018 Flag.

When the players go to the qtr and half time breaks they spend more time with their respective line coaches than they do with their coach. The assistants are there to teach, if they were doing their jobs we wouldn't be where this proud club is now and will be for the next 5 yrs.
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So we disagree then, you are of the senior coach has no responsibility ilk and its on the assistants, I am of the more opposite side of that fence.

Anyway the club will got through it's process and come up with someone.
 
In no particular order :

Ash Hansen
Brett Montgomery
Daniel Giansiracusa
Jarrad Schofield
Adrian Hickmott
Hayden Skipworth
Scott Selwood
Jaymie Graham

Probably the 8 would be first time coaches who’ve been named most regularly and I’d be almost certain our new coach comes from that list. Unless we go for a coach with prior senior experience which is unlikely

To think that Schofield might be the best of that group isn’t a stretch of the imagination. It might not be him but he’s certainly not out of place
 
greatwhiteshark said:
So we disagree then, you are of the senior coach has no responsibility ilk and its on the assistants, I am of the more opposite side of that fence.

Anyway the club will got through it's process and come up with someone.
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It's a joint responsibility, they and the players are all culpable and all will eventually pay the price.
 
Keys said:
In no particular order :

Ash Hansen
Brett Montgomery
Daniel Giansiracusa
Jarrad Schofield
Adrian Hickmott
Hayden Skipworth
Scott Selwood
Jaymie Graham

Probably the 8 would be first time coaches who’ve been named most regularly and I’d be almost certain our new coach comes from that list. Unless we go for a coach with prior senior experience which is unlikely

To think that Schofield might be the best of that group isn’t a stretch of the imagination. It might not be him but he’s certainly not out of place
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Skipworth and Selwood were both involved in the Pies premiership and have the best credentials. Hickmott was an eagles assistant in 2018.
How many AFL premierships has Schofield been involved with as an assistant coach ?
 
I'm going to save my roast on those prospective coaches in the event Jarrod Schofield coaches some more st Kilda away type games.

But to give you a preview one of those coaches previously worked for simmo in 2018 and before simmo run worked for the failure of a club Essendon.....
 

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greatwhiteshark said:
So simmo was getting an extra 600K per year to do some media conferences? Bloody good gig this senior coaching caper. Not much responsibility anymore.
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Not sure old mate's explanation is particularly great but as someone who used to run a team of 70+ in a hotel, here's how I managed it:

1 - I'd manage most of the BoH stuff and spread the lesser duties out amongst my leadership team so I wasn't confined tot he office and they also were able to develop their skills.

2 - I'd have regular catchups with my leadership team to explain directives and how I envisaged those being achieved. I'd also assist and enabled them to do perform their role and understand what was required, so that they felt empowered to make decisions and didn't feel the need to bother me when I wasn't around/on a day off.

3 - Before service, I'd brief the team on what was happening, things I wanted the team to focus on, areas of improvement, etc.

4 - During service, I'd monitor how things were going, if my set standards were being upheld and jump in and help where I saw it was needed, without taking over people's roles and responsibilities. I'd let my shift supervisors have full reign over service as a whole though, as they needed to feel empowered and confident to perform their own duties without me looking over their shoulder.

5 - If it were a tough night where things went wrong, I'd get everyone together and do a debrief to the group as a whole. If it were an individual, I'd arrange a private chat where I could highlight areas for improvement and assist them to do so.

6 - In regards to training, I'd let my leadership team handle that after I explained my directive to them and what I wanted to achieve. I'd only run those sessions myself if it were something I was specialised in(cocktails/wine, for instance)

7 - I wouldn't get too involved in the individual management of staff, unless I needed to make a direct intervention.



That's kind of like how I see a head coach and listening to a lot of people in the media, they say a head coach is similar to what I described my experience in hotel management as. Head coach sets the plan, works so his assistants understand and let's them handle their respective teams whilst tweaking certain aspects and making the hard call on players who aren't up to it.

I guess this is where Mitchell is standing out at the moment, because he gets in and does a lot of the work himself.

The story of him & Watson in regards to his goal-kicking reminded me of one of my staff a few years ago.

He was struggling badly and my supervisors were getting annoyed with him. I ended up spending a fair amount for time with him, because he didn't have any FoH experience prior but the guests absolutely loved him and he had the right attitude. He just didn't know how to manage his time.

After I spent some time with him, he ended up being one of our best staff members, despite some of the supervisors wanting him gone.

I was lucky enough for my supervisor to do the same for me at my first job, so I guess I wanted to pay it forward.
 
Keys said:
In no particular order :

Ash Hansen
Brett Montgomery
Daniel Giansiracusa
Jarrad Schofield
Adrian Hickmott
Hayden Skipworth
Scott Selwood
Jaymie Graham

Probably the 8 would be first time coaches who’ve been named most regularly and I’d be almost certain our new coach comes from that list. Unless we go for a coach with prior senior experience which is unlikely

To think that Schofield might be the best of that group isn’t a stretch of the imagination. It might not be him but he’s certainly not out of place
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I have little to no knowledge on the relative merits of these assistants but I do find it odd when people want experienced coaches from existing systems when most long-term success comes from younger coaches innovating a new system. Hardwick was in his early 40s when Richmond won their first premiership, Clarkson was 40 in 2008 Woosh was 34 when he got the Eagles gig, Adam Simpson 38.

By this complex system, come on down Scott Selwood.
 
bzparkes said:
Not sure old mate's explanation is particularly great but as someone who used to run a team of 70+ in a hotel, here's how I managed it:

1 - I'd manage most of the BoH stuff and spread the lesser duties out amongst my leadership team so I wasn't confined tot he office and they also were able to develop their skills.

2 - I'd have regular catchups with my leadership team to explain directives and how I envisaged those being achieved. I'd also assist and enabled them to do perform their role and understand what was required, so that they felt empowered to make decisions and didn't feel the need to bother me when I wasn't around/on a day off.

3 - Before service, I'd brief the team on what was happening, things I wanted the team to focus on, areas of improvement, etc.

4 - During service, I'd monitor how things were going, if my set standards were being upheld and jump in and help where I saw it was needed, without taking over people's roles and responsibilities. I'd let my shift supervisors have full reign over service as a whole though, as they needed to feel empowered and confident to perform their own duties without me looking over their shoulder.

5 - If it were a tough night where things went wrong, I'd get everyone together and do a debrief to the group as a whole. If it were an individual, I'd arrange a private chat where I could highlight areas for improvement and assist them to do so.

6 - In regards to training, I'd let my leadership team handle that after I explained my directive to them and what I wanted to achieve. I'd only run those sessions myself if it were something I was specialised in(cocktails/wine, for instance)

7 - I wouldn't get too involved in the individual management of staff, unless I needed to make a direct intervention.



That's kind of like how I see a head coach and listening to a lot of people in the media, they say a head coach is similar to what I described my experience in hotel management as. Head coach sets the plan, works so his assistants understand and let's them handle their respective teams whilst tweaking certain aspects and making the hard call on players who aren't up to it.

I guess this is where Mitchell is standing out at the moment, because he gets in and does a lot of the work myself.

The story of him & Watson in regards to his goal-kicking reminded me of one of my staff a few years ago.

He was struggling badly and my supervisors were getting annoyed with him. I ended up spending a fair amount for time with him, because he didn't have any FoH experience prior but the guests absolutely loved him and he had the right attitude. He just didn't know how to manage his time.

After I spent some time with him, he ended up being one of our best staff members, despite some of the supervisors wanting him gone.

I was lucky enough for my supervisor to do the same for me at my first job, so I guess I wanted to pay it forward.
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Good post mate but footy is different. Yes they all have some responsibilities but ultimately at a footy club its the senior coach who answers for the footy department.

I just could not imagine a senior coach sitting with the CEO and being questioned why our midfield is crap and the senior coach saying thats the midfield coaches issue not mine.

I get where you are coming from, I also have a big team in my business but It is just much different to footy.
 
greatwhiteshark said:
Good post mate but footy is different. Yes they all have some responsibilities but ultimately at a footy club its the senior coach who answers for the footy department.
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I get it's different and I presume the head coach would be more involved.

greatwhiteshark said:
I just could not imagine a senior coach sitting with the CEO and being questioned why our midfield is crap and the senior coach saying thats the midfield coaches issue not mine.
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Then that would be a terrible senior coach who does that and they shouldn't be in the position. It is always the senior manager's fault that their department is performing badly, because even if it's a manager under you, you're the one letting them underperform.

greatwhiteshark said:
I get where you are coming from, I also have a big team in my business but It is just much different to footy.
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Sure is.
 
greatwhiteshark said:
Good post mate but footy is different. Yes they all have some responsibilities but ultimately at a footy club its the senior coach who answers for the footy department.

I just could not imagine a senior coach sitting with the CEO and being questioned why our midfield is crap and the senior coach saying thats the midfield coaches issue not mine.

I get where you are coming from, I also have a big team in my business but It is just much different to footy.
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The coach takes responsibility because he's in charge of the assistant. That doesn't mean he micromanages the assistant. It's too big a job for one person. Simmo's in charge of the ruck coach, but he's not the one to be giving the rucks pointers, as an example.
 
Scott would be a great choice, He's had experience at 3 successful clubs, Eagles ,Geelong and Collingwood.
Hopefully he could bring Joel with him. The club could make it a FIFO job like they supposedly did for Knights.
JackOutback said:
I have little to no knowledge on the relative merits of these assistants but I do find it odd when people want experienced coaches from existing systems when most long-term success comes from younger coaches innovating a new system. Hardwick was in his early 40s when Richmond won their first premiership, Clarkson was 40 in 2008 Woosh was 34 when he got the Eagles gig, Adam Simpson 38.

By this complex system, come on down Scott Selwood.
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Miguel Sanchez said:
What are the odds that the best first-time coaching candidate is already at the club?
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In the absence of any other information, he'd be as good a chance as any other individual.

What is the chance that some other individual we interview from Melbourne or Sydney is the best candidate? Unlikely compared to the rest of the pool.

Schofield should be assessed on the same standard as everyone else and not prejudiced based on a cognitive bias that there's no way the best candidate would already be working for us.
 
Flarn Rarn said:
In the absence of any other information, he'd be as good a chance as any other individual.

What is the chance that some other individual we interview from Melbourne or Sydney is the best candidate? Unlikely compared to the rest of the pool.

Schofield should be assessed on the same standard as everyone else and not prejudiced based on a cognitive bias that there's no way the best candidate would already be working for us.
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Absolutely he should be judged on his merit.

I just find it unlikely that the best untried coaching prospect in the league is the guy that’s spent the last three years at the worst-performing side, in charge of the worst-performing midfield.
 

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