Cockburn firming up

[Lach72]

Some details of the FCC proposal:

City of Fremantle contributions include
• Facilitate land vesting of the 6000m2 Stan Reilly site on South Tce for likely peppercorn use by Fremantle Football Club (FCC)
• Pay for Community Facilities that the Dockers can also use including four Highball Courts and other sporting facilities which are identified as a community by recent City of Fremantle study.
• Part pay for Aquatic Recovery Centre in conjunction with FCC
• Contribute pro-rata share of site costs including reception/meeting areas, services, fit-out, consultants, contingency, escalation etc.
• Secure a private sector developer who will also occupy office space on the site
• Operate reception, community and recreation centre with the University of Notre Dame and/or private sector
• Add sustainability measures such as solar PV and geo-thermal heating through other allocated City of Fremantle budgets
• Secure grants of up to $13 million through state and federal sources.

 

[Bulldocker]

I agree with Undertaker about the Greens being a cancer on the city of Fremantle (and Australia more generally). That they get away with pretending that they're environmentalists when they're actually just a union of Marxists and NIMBYs is the biggest political fraud Australia has seen. More people should be awake to their bullshit.

Yep. Snipers from the outside always. More interested in the gay marriage debate and holding the ALP to ransom than following up on some of their empty promises like Denticare. Headed the same way as the Democrats did once they forgot to "keep the bastards honest".

 

[holy diver]

Marriage equality is a genuine issue. Shouldn't be relegated to a "this" party or "that" party agenda.

 

[Bulldocker]

Marriage equality is a genuine issue. Shouldn't be relegated to a "this" party or "that" party agenda.

True BC. Unfortunately though, the Groans have made it almost singularly their agenda in recent times. A fair majority of those who put a mark alongside that party on the last election ballots may have been expecting a little more substance on other matters though. Criticise the Libs as usual and snipe at their ALP lifeline (and get away with it) because Julia would be way too fragile without them.

 

[Freo Shark]

Comments from Freo Mayor in WAtoday article.

http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/mayor-accepts-the-dockers-have-given-freo-the-heave-ho-20121206-2axxz.html#ixzz2EJ8nEwBg

..."We may have to renegotiate changes now if they are no longer the primary users of the facility," Mr Pettitt said.

If the Dockers moved to Cockburn, the South Fremantle Football Club would become the oval's primary user.
The move to Cockburn would also see a change in the financial arrangements that currently exist between the two parties.

It is understood that the City has provided an interest free loan to the football club for a number of years. "We'll need to revisit the financial arrangements in light of this."...

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Read more: http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/mayor-accepts-the-dockers-have-given-freo-the-heave-ho-20121206-2axxz.html#ixzz2EJ8nEwBg​

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...and so the retaliation begins. I had thought we were debt free.​

 

[silverscope]

...and so the retaliation begins. I had thought we were debt free.

I read that as South Fremantle have the loan not FFC.

 

[Jentleman Geff]

Nah, I believe it's about FFC, South Freo is just a one sentence side note.

Something really crook in all this.

 

[Seadog]

The FCC is loaded with scum sucking Greenies who do nothing other than make it difficult for anyone to do anything within the bounds of the FCC. Reality is as long as the dole bludging B.st.rds can have their swim in the morning and a coffee after nothing else matters. The City of Fremantle is F..ked all the retailers are shutting shop and bailing out (Myers). The FCC proposal is it must be a carbon neutral building and be fully carbon neutral when it is up and running. The cost of doing this is prohibitive and I don't blame the FFC looking at other options. I was born and grew up in Freo and would love nothing more than for FFC to remain in Freo. But at the end of the day a move to Cockburn Central is not the end of the world. After all Hawthorn & Collingwood have both had moves and it has done them no harm.
FU FCC

I think you'll find Myers is pretty well ****ed all over the country, nothing to do with FCC. I'll agree the greens are frauds, nothing at all like the mainstream parties who behave so admirably.

 

[Impunity!]

Forgive my ignorance as to FFC's structure, given members are permitted to vote on board appointments, does the club provide members with an annual report containing its financials?

 

[freo84]

Politicians are the same in all parties, in all states, in all countries around the world. They lie, they lie more and instead of trying to convince you to vote for them because of what they can do they run smear campaigns on each other to cast them in a negative light.

Remember is doesn't matter who you vote for because the governement still gets in.

 

[ziad]

Well, I'd be extremely disappointed if the club moved training facilities away from freo. Whenever I get the chance to drive past Freo oval on a weekday, I always pull in to see if the boys are out on the park. I often only stop for a few minutes, but to watch the boys running around from the same spot that I used to sit thirty years before cheering for Stephen Michael, Nicky Winmar or even Bomber Peake as my old man "shared" my hot chips is a very special thing.

Isnt this bigger than just Footy. Surely there is a way of providing all that is needed at Freo oval?

 

[88mph]

Comments from Freo Mayor in WAtoday article.

http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/mayor-accepts-the-dockers-have-given-freo-the-heave-ho-20121206-2axxz.html#ixzz2EJ8nEwBg

..."We may have to renegotiate changes now if they are no longer the primary users of the facility," Mr Pettitt said.

If the Dockers moved to Cockburn, the South Fremantle Football Club would become the oval's primary user.
The move to Cockburn would also see a change in the financial arrangements that currently exist between the two parties.

It is understood that the City has provided an interest free loan to the football club for a number of years. "We'll need to revisit the financial arrangements in light of this."...

Read more: http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/mayor-accepts-the-dockers-have-given-freo-the-heave-ho-20121206-2axxz.html#ixzz2EJ8nEwBg


...and so the retaliation begins. I had thought we were debt free.

Not a troll guys, I'm a freo fan and a rate payer in both Fremantle and Cockburn.

Unfortunately this looks like its going to get messy, but seriously hedging two councils against each other is unethical and amateur to say the least. Has any other AFL club done this in the past?? The sacking/knifing of Harvey and then this debacle with the councils - you must question the Steve's capability to lead you club.

Considering the move to Cockburn is at least 3 to 4 years away, FFC must sort something out quickly and without burning FCC. Otherwise this has the potential to really bite them in the arse.

Also, what message are they sending to their players? It's ok to hedge to bidders against each other? Its ok to burn someone who has helped you get established just for a few extra dollars? FFC isn't exactly instilling club loyalty into anyone or anything.

Keep Freo in Freo, otherwise GTFO.

 

[Dormammu]

Forgive my ignorance as to FFC's structure, given members are permitted to vote on board appointments, does the club provide members with an annual report containing its financials?

Assuming that this is not a troll* - the answer is no.

*<8% probability that it's not

 

[Nothing]

Unfortunately this looks like its going to get messy, but seriously hedging two councils against each other is unethical and amateur to say the least. Has any other AFL club done this in the past?? The sacking/knifing of Harvey and then this debacle with the councils - you must question the Steve's capability to lead you club.

Is that you Reg?

 

[JunglistPosse]

Is that you Reg?

Reg is Brad Hardie and 88mph?

 

[Impunity!]

Assuming that this is not a troll* - the answer is no.

*<8% probability that it's not

Not a troll - there was a query about whether the City of Freo had provided the club with interest free loans, and whether if FFC moved, they could be withdrawn. You'd ordinarily expect to see disclosure of a company's debt in the financial statements annexed to the company's annual report, which gets sent to shareholders. Given FFC members can vote at the AGM, I wondered if FFC members were actually "shareholders" - it appears they are not.

 

[Cameron_K]

Interestingly in Pavlich's press conference this morning he said the facilities the club currently has are substandard and in the bottom 2 in the AFL.

 

[TheLoris]

Interestingly in Pavlich's press conference this morning he said the facilities the club currently has are substandard and in the bottom 2 in the AFL.

Yet, we finished the year as probably one of the fittest sides........shows that the importance of facilities has to be kept in perspective. Not saying that they aren't important, but the marginal improvement(whatever that is) that we'll get by moving to Cockburn, as opposed to redeveloping Freo Oval, isn't going to suddenly make as a premiership powerhouse.

 

[Arcassius]

2-3% improvement could be the difference between finishing 4th and 1st.

 

[TheLoris]

2-3% improvement could be the difference between finishing 4th and 1st.

2-3% is a lot, I'd be lowering your expectations.

 

[Cameron_K]

1% could be the difference between a flag or not. I don't care where they are located as long as they get the best possible facilities that will help them win on that last Saturday in September at the MCG (not Freo Oval)

 

[PapaJ]

Yet, we finished the year as probably one of the fittest sides........shows that the importance of facilities has to be kept in perspective. Not saying that they aren't important, but the marginal improvement(whatever that is) that we'll get by moving to Cockburn, as opposed to redeveloping Freo Oval, isn't going to suddenly make as a premiership powerhouse.

I'm fairly sure of that, but the psychological value to the players to have the best facilities possible would be important to them even if in quantifiable terms it would make little direct physical difference- in that sense I can see why they would be vocal about it. BTW, where did you see that interview? I wouldn't mind a listen.

In any case, I get the feeling this par is the key:

Mr Pettitt said while Fremantle had presented a strong case for the club to stay put, the Fremantle Football Club had obviously been attracted to the idea of a greenfields site and the benefits in terms of future proofing over using a CBD site.

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It's the one area that FCC can't even come close to competing. I'm convinced that the Dockers could make Freo work, I'm sure of it, but Cockburn not only makes it easier, it allows for far more flexibility in the long term future. The Cockburn offer is unlikely to come up again and, though I don't like the idea, a greenfields location like that which isn't too far from the historical namesake ... it's a tough call for sure.​

 

[Arcassius]

2-3% is a lot, I'd be lowering your expectations.

Oh where did you get your PhD in sports science?

Yes it's an arbitrary number - the point was that a small improvement, however small, could be the difference required. Look at the end of last season and how close it came to relying on percentages?

 

[Admiral Byng]

Not a troll guys, I'm a freo fan and a rate payer in both Fremantle and Cockburn.

Unfortunately this looks like its going to get messy, but seriously hedging two councils against each other is unethical and amateur to say the least. Has any other AFL club done this in the past?? The sacking/knifing of Harvey and then this debacle with the councils - you must question the Steve's capability to lead you club.

Considering the move to Cockburn is at least 3 to 4 years away, FFC must sort something out quickly and without burning FCC. Otherwise this has the potential to really bite them in the arse.

Also, what message are they sending to their players? It's ok to hedge to bidders against each other? Its ok to burn someone who has helped you get established just for a few extra dollars? FFC isn't exactly instilling club loyalty into anyone or anything.

Keep Freo in Freo, otherwise GTFO.

I think that's taking the negative slant on it.

To me it sounds like the Steves had an idea in thier heads about what they wanted facilities-wise, based upon what other clubs have. Seems like we can't get all of it at Freo Oval, and staying there was always going to involve some compromises. So they started looking around elsewhere. I think they're doing it out a genuine motivation to do what's best for the club. I don't see it being unethical or sinister in any way.

 

[TheLoris]

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It's the one area that FCC can't even come close to competing. I'm convinced that the Dockers could make Freo work, I'm sure of it, but Cockburn not only makes it easier, it allows for far more flexibility in the long term future. The Cockburn offer is unlikely to come up again and, though I don't like the idea, a greenfields location like that which isn't too far from the historical namesake ... it's a tough call for sure.​

Have to agree with this, while a redeveloped Freo oval can probably offer all the same facilities now, it will be restrictive for any future expansions.