Collingwood’s forward line 2005 ranked 16th in Comp: Official AFL stat.

[parrot]

Collingwood scored 1884 points in 2005, the lowest in the AFL. Collingwood’s forward line is therefore ranking 16th i.e. last. Obvious points sometimes need reiterating.

 

[JeffDunne]

If that's the criteria, what you are also saying is that the Saints forward line is best . . . and the Eagles the next best?


And Carlton are by far the worst defense . . . . .

 

[weagles_fan]

West Coast scored the 3rd most points meaning they have the 3rd best forward line correct?

 

[Portia]

Points For = forward line
Points Against = defensive line

Man, who could possibly need a midfield? Totally overrated.

 

[parrot]

West Coast scored the 3rd most points meaning they have the 3rd best forward line correct?

You point re. stats being misleading is a valid one. Most of Weagles forward line scores were at Subi. Interesting to know what their away-from-Subi tally was. One of the lowest in the comp I suspect.

 

[yikes]

You point re. stats being misleading is a valid one. Most of Weagles forward line scores were at Subi. Interesting to know what their away-from-Subi tally was. One of the lowest in the comp I suspect.

SO the stats are solid as a rock when bagging Collingwood but when talking about West Coast they are misleading.

 

[Eagle87]

You point re. stats being misleading is a valid one. Most of Weagles forward line scores were at Subi. Interesting to know what their away-from-Subi tally was. One of the lowest in the comp I suspect.

So you start a thread that suggests Collingwood have the worst forward line due to lowest points for. Then when the bleeding obvious is stated (i.e. that on your basis WCE have the third best forward line) you shift the "goal posts".

So that you might one day finally get this, I'll type s-l-o-w-l-y: Football is all about scoring more than your opponent. This can be done in a number of different ways. For example, you could aim to restrict the other team and set your game up accordingly i.e. play defensively (e.g. Sydney). You could play flat out attack and simply try and outscore everyone (e.g. Geelong in the early '90's). You could decide that your best option is to run teams off their feet by stacking your midfield (and draft accordingly) or you could draft tall players and hope to fill in around them with average midfielders.

No approach is absolutely guaranteed and no approach is foolproof.

However, the approach taken by West Coast saw them outscore their opponent 17 times in the regular season, it saw them score the 3rd most points for this season and it saw them concede the 4th fewest points against. This means they have a good TEAM. Do some teams have better KPP? Yes. However, would we swap our key midfield runners for, say, Fat Lance or Psycho Shag - not a bloody chance.

Do the Eagles have KP forwards who have less ability than other teams? Yes.

Would most other club supporters do a straight up swap for our list? I reckon they would.

Of course all of this is merely logic, which is of no use to a Carlton supporter in the present climate. I mean logic suggests you have a shocking list, an ageing superstar, a fat bastard and your only likely top notch young player (on revealed form) will miss more than half of the pre-season (which usually has an adverse impact on the season proper). So logically, Carlton are stuffed.

I imagine your response (if any) will simply focus on a range of wildly inaccurate, inept, juvenile, silly, banal, baseless, moronic attacks on WC or other teams.

Oh, and by the way, thanks for the service - I had a loooong day today and a long winded post into the cyber void (both literal and metphorical) has certainly made me feel better ... although, perhaps I could feel even better if I just said .... "Parrot, why don't you just f**k off" ... yep, that helps, the icing on the cake ....

Cheers.

 

[Bloodz]

Collingwood scored 1884 points in 2005, the lowest in the AFL. Collingwood’s forward line is therefore ranking 16th i.e. last. Obvious points sometimes need reiterating.

Quite a few games last year their entire starting 6 forwards were all out with injury at the same time... whenever someone talks about an obvious point I assume they dont know what they are talking about.... when its parrot, you dont even need to assume

 

[JeffDunne]

You point re. stats being misleading is a valid one. Most of Weagles forward line scores were at Subi. Interesting to know what their away-from-Subi tally was. One of the lowest in the comp I suspect.

You mean like the cricket score they kicked at the GABBA?

 

[parrot]

So you start a thread that suggests Collingwood have the worst forward line due to lowest points for. Then when the bleeding obvious is stated (i.e. that on your basis WCE have the third best .......

....eers.

You sound a little upset. Let me walk you through it. The Weagles have a terrible forward line, which is the main reason they won zero away-from-Subi games in the last 2 ½ months of the season- a telling little fact isn't it. The reason their forward line is so bad, is that the Weagles have no KP forwards with any talent. Next you’ll be telling us a 27yo WAFL forward with a chronic knee injury, will be the Weagles KP forward saviour.

 

[Tas]

You might want to compare goals kicked by recognised forwards as opposed to goals kicked by midfielders and other non-forwards.

I still think Collingwood would be very low due to injuries, but would be a lot more enlightening than looking at the for/against.

 

[Smokin_Joe]

parrot got owned by an eagle supporter oh this is magic

 

[Nardz]

parrot got owned by an eagle supporter oh this is magic

parrot gets owned by anybody who actually tries..

 

[Eagle87]

You sound a little upset. Let me walk you through it. The Weagles have a terrible forward line, which is the main reason they won zero away-from-Subi games in the last 2 ½ months of the season- a telling little fact isn't it. The reason their forward line is so bad, is that the Weagles have no KP forwards with any talent. Next you’ll be telling us a 27yo WAFL forward with a chronic knee injury, will be the Weagles KP forward saviour.

So I was right, your response (above) fits neatly into my description: i.e. I imagine your response (if any) will simply focus on a range of wildly inaccurate, inept, juvenile, silly, banal, baseless, moronic attacks on WC or other teams.

This 2 1/2 months to which you constantly refer is of course one of your usual moronic (apologies for repetitious use but it is the most apt description of your miniscule mind) statements.

The last month of that 2 1/2 months refers to the finals series in which we only played away from home once (the GF) and we lost by 4 points. We did this without our 2 leading goal scorers who were both injured (yes, Lynch was injured).

The previous 6 games (i.e. the other month and a half) occurred after we had locked up either 1st or 2nd and as everyone (with a brain) has discovered, it doesnt matter which of those places you finish. So, as has been explained several hundred times, Woosha ran the troops into the ground in prep for the finals. We nearly won the flag - so it was probably a fair trade off to lose a few meaningless away games - don't you think?

Oh, by the way, based on your logic (i.e. no wins for 2 1/2 months being mainly due to poor forward line), I guess the main reason we lost only once in the previous 4 1/2 months was because our forward line was outstanding?

Or are you employing some weird 5th dimension type logic which states that when we are unbeatable its to do with everything but the forward line but when we lose its all about the forward line?

You idiot!

The 27 year old to whom you refer is actually 26 (minor point), does not have a chronic knee condition and does have some ability. I do not expect him to be the saviour of our forward line because a saviour isn't needed. We lost a GF by 4 points, with a list that was second youngest in the comp and with much natural improvement (maturation) to come (e.g.Judd & Kerr will be 22 next year when season opens).

Carlton on the other hand continue to be mired in mediocrity but frankly their mediocrity pales into insignificance next to the mediocre, brain dead drivel that you spout forth on a regular basis...

Have a great day... be careful getting on and off the orange bus ..

Cheers.

 

[Effes]

will they ever stop biting?

 

[Quinz]

Interesting to know what their away-from-Subi tally was. One of the lowest in the comp I suspect.

You would be correct in assuimg that, as only two clubs in the AFL play at Subiaco, thus any other team will play 22 games away from Subiaco, while Fremantle and the Eagles only play 10 games away from Subiaco. I'm not sure, but I think the Eagles beat the Dockers in that department. Or I could be pulling ******** out of my arse.

 

[CarnthePies]

C'mon the pies!

 

[jock555]

That may be a fact. But what is not taking into consideration is how many of what is their regular forward six missed games during the year. Obviously that makes a difference. So at times, facts can be misleading.

 

[Jimthegreat]

If that's the criteria, what you are also saying is that the Saints forward line is best . . . and the Eagles the next best?


And Carlton are by far the worst defense . . . . .

Shows the importance of a good, hard running midfield. Can really make a forward line and take the pressure of a defence. Even so, the Saints probably do have the best forward line and we do have the worst defence imaginable.

 

[MarkT]

Hardly a revelation. Missing players aside, no rucks and a poorly performing midfield would make scoring difficult at the best of times. Awesome effort by the backs all year but the rest of the side was poorly constructed, poorly coached and poorly performed. If nothing else changes at least the forward line personal will be improved in 2006. Unless a ruckman emerges and a few midfielders perform it won’t mean a huge amount though.

All that aside, points isn’t the best measurement. Whether you play an overall defensive or attacking style impacts how heavily you score. When Collingwood made 2 GF’s they weren’t the second highest scoring team. MM is an accountability freak. Put him in charge of Blights Geelong teams and they would not score as heavily but they may have won a flag or two.

 

[Sharp9]

The "BEST" forward line would be pretty easy to estimate....simply take the number of inside 50s and divide by number of goals. Lowest number wins

Anyone got the season inside 50 stats?????

I'm sure the season averages are around somewhere.....Pretty sure you would find that Sydney would be very close to the top and West Coast would be very close to the bottom.

Ditto for defence...I50s conceded/Goals conceded...lowest number wins.

 

[FIGJAM]

Having to start Nick Maxwell as CHF on several occassions gives some indication as to our forward line's plight during the year.

Coupled with our stinking midfield and it's hardly surprising.

 

[Big Al]

Collingwood scored 1884 points in 2005, the lowest in the AFL. Collingwood’s forward line is therefore ranking 16th i.e. last. Obvious points sometimes need reiterating.

I love nothing more than a Collingwood sledge but to rank a forward line based solely on points scored does not give the whole picture. You must look at the injuries incurred, delivery from the midfield and the effectiveness of the rebound from defense. I would rank the Sydney forward line as one of the best but under this ranking system they would be ranked 14th. Not reality Im afraid.

 

[crazy_big_al]

they are shocking

 

[Johnson#26]

16th 2005 - Carlton. Enough said. Its getting boring, now...