Collingwood and Richmond request to play each other twice in 2013

[Pessimistic]

Yeah, only 5 of your top 7 crowds for the year would disappear.

Not to mention 5 wins from 6 games leaving as well.

Worth it for the fair fixture

 

[Yelle]

When is the AFL going to make their fixture based on the previous year's results. For example, the teams that finish 1 - 4 should play each other twice, 5 - 8 should play each other twice and so on.

 

[satan1]

Why do Hawthorn fans care?

 

[Doss]

Not that I'm saying anything ground breaking here, but money rules all when it comes to the fixture. The degree to which it has, has steadily increased with time.

It's interesting looking at the timeline of how the fixture has been steadily compromised:

-From 1970-86, there were 12 teams and 22 rounds in the then-VFL, and the fixture was completely fair (aside from perhaps the odd 'home' game being played at Waverley or MCG instead of the suburban home grounds)- each team played 11/11 other teams twice

-From 1987-90, with the addition of Brisbane and West Coast, each team played 9/13 other teams twice.

-From 1991-94, with the additon of Adelaide, each team played 8/14 other teams

-From 1995-2010, each team played 7/15 other teams twice. This of course takes into account that Port entered the competiton straight after Fitzroy had exited.

-In 2011, the equation became 6/16

-And now it is 5/17

And now for the money side of things.

Until 1993-94, it appeared there was no favouritism whatsoever in terms of who played each other twice. 1992 was the last time Essendon and Carlton did not play twice, and the equivalent year for Essendon/Collingwood and Collingwood/Carlton was 1991. Since 1993, Essendon, Collingwood and Carlton have played twice every single year.

Then in 1995, Fremantle joined. The AFL have fixtured twice against West Coast every single year since to maximise profits and interest. In 1997, Port joined, and they have played Adelaide twice every year for the same reasons. Likewise, no doubt, Brisbane and Gold Coast, and now Sydney and GWS, will have the same situation.

Which then brings me to my other point. Under Demetriou, the AFL has, without doubt, manipulated the fixture to maximise profits. Two examples:

*In the ten seasons between 1995 and 2004, Essendon and Hawthorn played twice in a season just once (in 2000). Then, 'Line in the Sand' happened, and whodathunkit, they suddenly played twice in 2005, 2006 and 2007.

*In the fourteen seasons between 1996 and 2009, Geelong and Collingwood played twice in a season also just once (in 2003). Then, three preliminary finals and a GF against one another, and suddenly they've played twice the past three seasons.

There would be other examples, I am sure.

 

[DapperDon]

Funny thing is, apart from Collingwood, we wouldnt lose much at this point in tme

Is that what they said in the VFA before you came begging to join us?

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Let's just **** Carlton, Collingwood, Essendon & Richmond off and they can have their own league. They can play each other 7 times a year. The rest of us can worry about playing each other twice (home and away) and get on with it.

Big 4 envy at its worst

 

[Yidaki]

I think everyone wants to play the Tiges....nice healthy percentage booster!

 

[Pessimistic]

Why do Hawthorn fans care?

Sensing ALL our seven MCG home games being against non vitorian teams

Funny thing is Hawks fans absolutely dominated the carlton home game crowd aginst us at the 'G this year

Same thing against essendon a couple of years back

 

[Oneiros]

When is the AFL going to make their fixture based on the previous year's results. For example, the teams that finish 1 - 4 should play each other twice, 5 - 8 should play each other twice and so on.

Isn't that the exact thing people are questioning about Adelaide and North, though? Maybe everyone should just have to play one team between 1-4 twice, one team between 5-8 twice, and etc, with one exemption for a rivalry?

 

[Yelle]

"I think everyone wants to play the Tiges....nice healthy percentage booster!"

... was exactly what the Hawthorn supporter never said.

 

[peejay]

Richmond already want to play Carlton, Essendon and Melbourne twice a year, don't they?

Wish we got to play Richmond twice a year.

happy to play you guys twice if we don't have to play at your shit heap ogf a ground.

we have only played you once at the MCG in the last 10 times we have played you - how is that fair??

 

[cfx_1]

2 problems.. 1 solution.

1. The draw is unequal.
2. Players want SoO/All Star game.

Solution.
1 Season.. 17 games. 3 byes. Structure the byes in with SoO. Those players who wish to play simply don't get the bye.

Would be able to retain a longer Nab Cup series (which I think is important for fans and coaches as they are able to see the youth coming through and get a run into the regular league players) and fit everything in easily. Plus SoO would get a lot of attention if it was the only game in a state on a given weekend.

 

[rado]

I think everyone wants to play the Tiges....nice healthy percentage booster!

Results this year show that is no longer the case

Gary Pert is a very smart man. Jumping on the tiger bandwagon just before all the other clubs jump on and want the 2 fixtures a year. 75k+ crowds every clash from next year onwards when the tiges get going has to be good for business

 

[Handsuper47]

I wouldn't mind the idea of playing the Cats twice - one at SS and the other at the 'G.

 

[MightyHawks]

I like how the OP left out this part so be can ram down his hatred towards all things Richmond.

'The Tigers have backed Collingwood's push to have the clubs play twice a season'

'Collingwood chief executive Gary Pert confirmed that the Magpies had formally requested the AFL schedule two games against Richmond in 2013'

I posted a link to the article and quoted the opening paragraph.

Yes Collingwood have said they've requested two matches against Richmond.

Richmond have said they support it

I'd be surprised if Richmond haven't requested it too.

Clubs official fixture requests should all be made public

 

[MarkT2]

So now that Miller has been gone long enough it's back to normal.
Fair enough. Benny knows the score.

 

[KrakFiend]

Big 4 should play each other twice every year. Props up the rest of you minnow clubs.

 

[Madtiger2006]

A strong Onfield tigers should play coll, ess, Carl, haw twice a year

 

[King Cold]

happy to play you guys twice if we don't have to play at your shit heap ogf a ground.

we have only played you once at the MCG in the last 10 times we have played you - how is that fair??

Our games against Richmond have never been huge crowd pullers as there is no rivalry between our clubs.

I don't care where and when we play Richmond. It's a guarenteed 4 points for us anyway.

 

[Black Diamond]

Should have a rolling draw.

If you're happy with this, don't come complaining when North and Adelaide get the expansion sides twice each.

 

[Groupie_]

Our games against Richmond have never been huge crowd pullers as there is no rivalry between our clubs.

I don't care where and when we play Richmond. It's a guarenteed 4 points for us anyway.

Was. You won't beat us next year.

 

[Groupie_]

I think everyone wants to play the Tiges....nice healthy percentage booster!

Haven't been thrashed this year so how are we a percentage booster for any club? We lost to you by 22 points.

 

[MightyHawks]

Why do Hawthorn fans care?

Like most clubs, we benefit financially by having home matches against Carlton Collingwood and Essendon.

I think we've played Carlton once every year since 2004, and have only had one Home match against Carlton in those 8 years.

Not that I'm saying anything ground breaking here, but money rules all when it comes to the fixture. The degree to which it has, has steadily increased with time.

It's interesting looking at the timeline of how the fixture has been steadily compromised:

-From 1970-86, there were 12 teams and 22 rounds in the then-VFL, and the fixture was completely fair (aside from perhaps the odd 'home' game being played at Waverley or MCG instead of the suburban home grounds)- each team played 11/11 other teams twice

-From 1987-90, with the addition of Brisbane and West Coast, each team played 9/13 other teams twice.

-From 1991-94, with the additon of Adelaide, each team played 8/14 other teams

-From 1995-2010, each team played 7/15 other teams twice. This of course takes into account that Port entered the competiton straight after Fitzroy had exited.

-In 2011, the equation became 6/16

-And now it is 5/17

And now for the money side of things.

Until 1993-94, it appeared there was no favouritism whatsoever in terms of who played each other twice. 1992 was the last time Essendon and Carlton did not play twice, and the equivalent year for Essendon/Collingwood and Collingwood/Carlton was 1991. Since 1993, Essendon, Collingwood and Carlton have played twice every single year.

Then in 1995, Fremantle joined. The AFL have fixtured twice against West Coast every single year since to maximise profits and interest. In 1997, Port joined, and they have played Adelaide twice every year for the same reasons. Likewise, no doubt, Brisbane and Gold Coast, and now Sydney and GWS, will have the same situation.

Which then brings me to my other point. Under Demetriou, the AFL has, without doubt, manipulated the fixture to maximise profits. Two examples:

*In the ten seasons between 1995 and 2004, Essendon and Hawthorn played twice in a season just once (in 2000). Then, 'Line in the Sand' happened, and whodathunkit, they suddenly played twice in 2005, 2006 and 2007.

*In the fourteen seasons between 1996 and 2009, Geelong and Collingwood played twice in a season also just once (in 2003). Then, three preliminary finals and a GF against one another, and suddenly they've played twice the past three seasons.

There would be other examples, I am sure.

Every team that has joined the competition has put a higher value on which teams you play return matches against.

The AFL claim that it's not perfect and everyone can't play everyone twice - but they don't even try to do this.

In terms of maximising crowds and revenue, the second match between Richmond v Carlton and Richmond v Essendon has been a failure. Sheedy's farewell game and Richmonds 100th year celebration of "Yellow and Bleak" excepted

A strong Onfield tigers should play coll, ess, Carl, haw twice a year

Why?

Why should Hawthorn miss out on the benefit of playing Richmond twice when you are crap, but then be forced to play you twice if you ever become a force in the competition?

North Melbourne has spent the last 3 years requesting more Friday night matches and "bigger games". The AFL have repeatedly said become good on the field and you'll get it. So they've made the finals... I'm sure they'll get a second Friday night game in 2013!

 

[Black Diamond]

LNorth Melbourne has spent the last 3 years requesting more Friday night matches and "bigger games". The AFL have repeatedly said become good on the field and you'll get it. So they've made the finals... I'm sure they'll get a second Friday night game in 2013!

You're more optimistic than me.

 

[MightyHawks]

Was. You won't beat us next year.

No one puts the cart before the horse better than Richmond.

You've been "going to make the finals next year" most years in the last dozen