News Collingwood Members Forum (November 5th).

[Quicky]

Yeah I looked him up, 1.4 goals 0.9 behinds per game so shooting at around 66% but Jesse White goalkicking numbers. I swear he played a bit down back. I know exactly who he is, Hawks were average for most of his career.

Edit: But he's a Hawks player so don't give a shit really, not followed closely.

White cops a bad wrap sometimes. The moment of his misses was the problem, not his goal kicking percentage. Which poses the question, how much of goal kicking is technique, and how much mental?

 

[WalterBlaknWhte]

Moral philosophy? I would like you to explain that to me over a bottle of red!

Alcohol use is an incredibly complex issue and permeates almost every level of society. Taking a moral position against pokies does not make me a hypocrite because I enjoy a drink. I feel like Kappa is saying that I should not have an opinion on it because I am a morally compromised person. Show me someone that isn't.

You would be an entertaining man to catch-up with jmac and I do not call you a hypocrite.

 

[BigEvilBastard]

We need pokies just like all clubs, so get over it! Wish someone asked about who the hell is the ruck coach and how do we get off 18th worst centre clearance team?????


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Isn't Matt Rendell and Anthony Rocca both doing the Ruck Coach Role part time. I know they tried to get Peter Moore to do it but it got vetoed by the AFL

 

[Obese Arachnid]

Oh I'm well aware it's a PR exercise but having it this year seemed pointless as there wasn't much outrage on the back of us acquiring Treloar and Aish, despite a more appalling finish to the year with far less excuses than last season.

Getting Treloar and Aish will most likely be the reason why you won't hear a peep from the supporter group when our hierarchy extends Bucks' contract on the back of SFA once again.
It also enabled Pert to go on the pokies are good, supporters that don't renew or attend are bad attack.

Pity no one asked him how is our flag in the next 3 years plan is travelling when we didn't even even make the finals in the first 2 years of said plan.

Agree, more outrage from supporters will fix whatever is broken.

 

[Bard]

White cops a bad wrap sometimes. The moment of his misses was the problem, not his goal kicking percentage. Which poses the question, how much of goal kicking is technique, and how much mental?

Probably 100% mental application.

 

[MyManLynch]

Pert is the CEO & responsible to the board for the clubs financial performance.
In 2014,we earned $24 million from functions & gaming activities.
Not sure what % of that is pure gaming, but no CEO is going to turn his/her back on that large revenue stream.
Would lose the job if he/she did.
Long term plan to gradually replace is the best option.
Even with the Government grant, the glasshouse probably wouldn't exist without that revenue stream.

 

[sirlothie]

White cops a bad wrap sometimes. The moment of his misses was the problem, not his goal kicking percentage. Which poses the question, how much of goal kicking is technique, and how much mental?

I believe it's 90% upstairs much like a golf swing, wicket in cricket, basketball free throw... it's not likely lack of practice.

 

[Quicky]

Probably 100% mental application.

I believe it's 90% upstairs much like a golf swing, wicket in cricket, basketball free throw... it's not likely lack of practice.

I reckon the technique helps enforce the mental strength. But it isn't the be all and all. Look at Tiger Woods as an example.

The question then is, what is the best way to improve goal kicking? Particularly in those key moments.

 

[jmac70]

As long as the club generates income from one, it's fairly hypocritical to try and demonise the other imo.
Both alcohol and pokies cause social/societal damage, both are considered evil by certain sections of society, and both are highly addictive.

It's not often I'll side with Kappa, but he's right in this instance imo. If you want the club to take the moral high ground by not having pokies, then they should also take a moral high ground by not serving and making profits from alcohol. Particularly given that alcohol not only eats away at people's income just like gambling does, but can adversely affect the health of the users.

Ed conceded tonight that pokie revenue is dirty money and he loves a drink. I guess he must be a hypocrite too.

 

[Pie eyed]

Jmac70 this disagreement re alcohol & pokies is similar to the one re Keefe & Thomas IMO.

Hear me out as I was going to start a topic on this.

Is it OUR Clubs responsibility to be the moral crusader in both instances?

As far as I am concerned the Collingwood Football Club should be in "business" to win premierships.

It shouldn't be about making the players better people or shouldn't be about being "perfect" in societies eyes.

Call me delusional, shortsighted, greedy........etc

All I want is Premierships.

Collingwood football club at it's heart represents it's membership...I am one of those.
Personally I would like my club to have a social conscience as well as being successful.
At the moment we have a good balance.
It is not our job to lead the fight against pokies, but if the AFL feel the need for social leadership they should ditch the ASADA crusade, wash their hands of the illicit drug issue, we have an entire police force for that, and focus on getting rid of all forms of gambling from the game...not society..the game.
Society can look after itself. It does not need football policing other countries 19th century moral crusades such as "the war on drugs"
And while we're at it get rid of this ridiculous manufactured assumption that because someone is good at a sport they are a moral compass.

 

[sirlothie]

Ed conceded tonight that pokie revenue is dirty money and he loves a drink. I guess he must be a hypocrite too.

I understand why you're pissed off that people somehow think being a drinker somehow discounts you from having an opinion on gambling, it's a very long bow to draw.

Is gambling on the outcome of football or a horse race much different though? I would say if the world's oldest profession is a prostitute, the 2nd oldest would be a bookie.

 

[sirlothie]

And the third oldest would be a barman.

 

[jmac70]

I understand why you're pissed off that people somehow think being a drinker somehow discounts you from having an opinion on gambling, it's a very long bow to draw.

Is gambling on the outcome of football or a horse race much different though? I would say if the world's oldest profession is a prostitute, the 2nd oldest would be a bookie.

I'm not anti gambling. IMO pokies do not constitute gambling. They are machines designed to take a certain percentage. There is no skill or sport involved. They are really reverse ATMs.

 

[Obese Arachnid]

Ed conceded tonight that pokie revenue is dirty money and he loves a drink. I guess he must be a hypocrite too.

Yes, yes he is. In younger days I saw him abuse alcohol to the max, even being an arseh*le to Carla.

Ed is not the measurement stick that should be used for this argument, he's El Presidente & I think he's done a great deal for this club.

Pokies are evil, just like alcohol is evil to people who abuse either.

Do you have personal responsibility over what you drink? How is that different to personal responsibility when it comes to pokies?

 

[jmac70]

Yes, yes he is. In younger days I saw him abuse alcohol to the max, even being an arseh*le to Carla.

Ed is not the measurement stick that should be used for this argument, he's El Presidente & I think he's done a great deal for this club.

Pokies are evil, just like alcohol is evil to people who abuse either.

Do you have personal responsibility over what you drink? How is that different to personal responsibility when it comes to pokies?

I agree that we all have personal responsibility. All I am saying is that I would prefer that the club does not generate revenue from pokies.

 

[Kappa]

Not having Pokies hurts North, but only because the other clubs have them.
They made a moral decision not to.
I applaud them for that.

I've heard the reason Norf don't have pokies is because they mismanaged them and then subsequently lost the ones they had, rather than getting rid of them for moral reasons.

 

[Ketchup]

Love a good pokies debate. Worked in them for 3 years while I was studying before Im doing what I do now. Can definitely see both sides, It can be a sorrow place but majority of people know why they're doing and what they're doing. Then theres the sorrow problem people, and the drug money (which venues seem all to happy to take!)

But for all those bads, the pokies do, do a lot of good that never gets mentioned. Wouldn't be opposed to reducing the amount, but getting rid of completely would put us completely behind the 8 ball it isn't funny, especially as other people say, if we didn't have them, they would go elsewhere. And they will never be outlawed. Never.

 

[Kappa]

I'm not anti gambling. IMO pokies do not constitute gambling. They are machines designed to take a certain percentage. There is no skill or sport involved. They are really reverse ATMs.

News flash, every single form of gambling is designed to take a certain percentage of turnover, that's how gambling works. Saying pokies do not constitute gambling is easily the silliest thing said in this entire thread.

 

[NT.Thunder]

I hate pokies, purely because they killed the true gambling tables in Casinos accross the country. I'm no gambler, but I enjoyed sitting at a table with mates playing BlackJack or Caribeen Stud.....not so much sharing a poker pushing a button.

 

[jmac70]

News flash, every single form of gambling is designed to take a certain percentage of turnover, that's how gambling works. Saying pokies do not constitute gambling is easily the silliest thing said in this entire thread.

Pokies are machines that are programmed to win a certain amount. Gambling on sport has an entirely different set of variables. Pokies also utilise graphics and special features to hook people in and forget about the time. Pokies are a unique type of gambling that from my experience are more damaging than any other form.

 

[MyManLynch]

The Hawthorn Football Club largest revenue stream is...wait for it...gaming & bistro revenue.
Bigger than AFL distribution, bigger than membership, bigger than sponsorship, bigger than gate.
Represents 26% of their total revenue.

Edit: Collingwood largest revenue stream is Membership/Match day.
So that's why Pert was disappointed with the 14,000 members who didn't renew this year...it makes us even more reliant upon gaming revenue.

 

[Obese Arachnid]

I agree that we all have personal responsibility. All I am saying is that I would prefer that the club does not generate revenue from pokies.

I know what your are saying, I just disagree about the cherry picking.

 

[Babylove]

So just a couple of things about Pert and what he said tonight. Firstly it's worth pointing out the difference between Pert and Eddie is that Pert isn't there to be liked He is there to successfully run our club financially which he does very well. To be honest the most effective CEOs that I have met or associated with are downright jerks mostly because they don't care if you like them or not.

On the membership issue. I get the feeling that Pert was trying to point out that despite that our membership levels falling marginally was mostly due to fairweather supporters falling away in tough times rather than there being any major problems (ther were probably a number of questions about what the club was doing about "falling" memberships).

On the Pokies issue, Pert and Eddie also were at pains to point out that the club is moving away from the Pokies (we have gone from 5 venues to 2) but legislation made it difficult to get rid of them entirely. As part of that though Pert pointed out that the pokies venues basically gave us an "in" in the community to be able to focus community projects and that gambling is mostly a form of entertainment (i.e the Cup Carnival etc) that he personally wasn't interested in, but for the most part wasn't dirty money. Reading between the lines though if we can find a way to replace the pokie revenue with other revenue streams we will continue to shift away from them.

And just on the North stuff. The pokies from a club perspective are essentially a business decision. I know that North has made a great moral decision, but are we sure we want to take business advice or follow business examples from the one of the league's biggest basket cases financially?

 

[NT.Thunder]

The Hawthorn Football Club largest revenue stream is...wait for it...gaming & bistro revenue.
Bigger than AFL distribution, bigger than membership, bigger than sponsorship, bigger than gate.
Represents 26% of their total revenue.

Hmm, I actually thought it would be premierships

 

[Bard]

The Hawthorn Football Club largest revenue stream is...wait for it...gaming & bistro revenue.
Bigger than AFL distribution, bigger than membership, bigger than sponsorship, bigger than gate.
Represents 26% of their total revenue.

I hope we're not benchmarking our profit-making off of Hawthorn too now considering we're... well.. better at it.