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[JB1975]

The motive to embellish is there. The person is trying to win a court case and is fighting unfair dismissal? The person wants a payout?

And in a newsflash the lawyers will also cast a shadow over the allegations.

Thanks for newsflash. And yet neither point is reason for anyone here to suggest that the allegations are in any way concocted.

 

[WalterBlaknWhte]

I've heard him swear.

Having 125kegs of Plugger threatening to kill you brings this on

 

[Vicky Park]

The woke pustules are rising up.

As are the ‘nothing to see here’ brigade.

Yesterday it looked bad for Kelly. As more detail came to light it looked possibly less bad, but still messy.

We do ‘messy’ well at Collingwood, helped along by a willing media.

We hadn’t had a scandal for a while. I hate the way they rip the fan base asunder.

 

[sr36]

As are the ‘nothing to see here’ brigade.

Yesterday it looked bad for Kelly. As more detail came to light it looked possibly less bad, but still messy.

We do ‘messy’ well at Collingwood, helped along by a willing media.

We hadn’t had a scandal for a while. I hate the way they rip the fan base asunder.

They could have waited a month so at least we would have been relevant in September.

 

[sr36]

Can we place a court order on Eddie so he isn't allowed to comment on the case and make us look worse.

 

[NMBB]

They could have waited a month so at least we would have been relevant in September.

A Cwood scandal relegating pictures of say, Papley with a premiership medal off the front and back pages would be ok

 

[Mostfamousclub_Pies]

They could have waited a month so at least we would have been relevant in September.

They’ve anticipated that we won’t feature in the finals, so they thought ****ing with Pendlebury’s 400th game celebrations would be the next best thing.

 

[sr36]

They’ve anticipated that we won’t feature in the finals, so they thought ****ing with Pendlebury’s 400th game celebrations would be the next best thing.

Yes I'm sure these lawyers are part of the conspiracy against us or perhaps the hun sat on it risking being scooped.

 

[ahkemit]

God this club doesn't know how to manage its administration

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[The Phantom]

If my CEO came out and said my workplace was getting a chill out room with a live possum to play with, I’d think that was really cool.

Let’s just wait and see what the truth turns out to be.

 

[WalterBlaknWhte]

If my CEO came out and said my workplace was getting a chill out room with a live possum to play with, I’d think that was really cool.

In my workplace, the possum would be part of the succession plan

 

[MagpieJo]

We don't need to replace a racist with a murderer as our CEO

Huh? What did I miss?

 

[MagpieJo]

Get your hand off it jmac. He was sacked for other reasons. Don’t try to inflame it.


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What were the reasons? I’ve read his bio on NIT , he seems to have a chip on his shoulders straight off the bat

 

[NMBB]

In my workplace, the possum would be part of the succession plan

 

[MagpieJo]

I’m not trying to inflame it.

IMO, the correct course of action is to stand Kelly down pending further investigation.

I disagree.

Who does his job? Who pays for that?
What happened to innocent until proven guilty?

 

[MagpieJo]

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Do we get a better draft pick?

 

[Kappa]

As are the ‘nothing to see here’ brigade.

Yesterday it looked bad for Kelly. As more detail came to light it looked possibly less bad, but still messy.

We do ‘messy’ well at Collingwood, helped along by a willing media.

We hadn’t had a scandal for a while. I hate the way they rip the fan base asunder.

Is there anyone in this thread saying nothing to see here?

I was reading it yesterday and it seems like 99% of people are saying "innoncent until proven guilty, lets wait for the evidence". While Jmac is demanding Kelly's head because the accuser is indigenous.

 

[76woodenspooners]

Part of it sounds like it was kicked off with Kelly’s frustration over the Cultural and Inclusive Room not being finished yet and it was Cleaver’s responsibility to get it done.

The rest of the story seems to be a little too unbelievable to believe. If true Kelly is either a bonehead or had a really bad day.

For me, the “Get this done to get Browne and Sizer off my back” bit sounds a bit too specific to not be true. There’s nothing illegal about that bit, but IMO would be poor leadership. Surely there would be far more suitable and effective ways to get somebody to set up a safe cultural space than simply “Do this to get the board off my back”?

 

[Mostfamousclub_Pies]

We’re no longer the first story on the online Hun, thanks to our Olympic heroes.,

 

[76woodenspooners]

I assume the same people hanging Kelly wanted JDG sacked after the Bali beat up?

The people wanting JDG sacked after the Bali incident weren’t responding just to the Bali incident, it was the culmination of a large number of incidents including NY incident, trashing rental property incident, DUI incident, riding motorcycle without a helmet incident, and various other traffic incidents and probably others that have since been forgotten. And although you may disagree with those people, you can’t say they were being unreasonable.

This Kelly incident is a bit different. Kelly is CEO of the organisation and responsible for cultural leadership, so could reasonably be held to a higher standard. This also ties in directly with club values (post-Do Better report attitudes towards indigenous Australians and diversity).

 

[MagpieJo]

So I’ve asked a couple of questions above as I waded through,

But the one nagging thing is what was Cleaver sacked for? Cos I reckon that could be telling

This is all horribly unfair, to Pendles firstly, but also to Kelly.

Clarkson has been put through the ringer and cannot comment, that’s just bullshit


Clearly innocent until proven guilty is bullshit.

****ing over it!

Where is the outrage for a geefrickenlong player unconscious in a nightclub? **** this timing

It’s too convenient

 

[76woodenspooners]

But the one nagging thing is what was Cleaver sacked for? Cos I reckon that could be telling

Do we know he was sacked? (As opposed to leaving of his own accord)

 

[Kirby]

For me, the “Get this done to get Browne and Sizer off my back” bit sounds a bit too specific to not be true. There’s nothing illegal about that bit, but IMO would be poor leadership. Surely there would be far more suitable and effective ways to get somebody to set up a safe cultural space than simply “Do this to get the board off my back”?

But you have no context for this alleged statement even if it's true. There would be words spoken before and after that could shed a whole different light on it.

It strikes me that it is a trivial allegation anyway.

Put it this way, what if what was said was "let's get this done to get Browne and Sizer off our backs" - in other words put as a collective? It may have been running behind board deadlines because Cleaver wasn't doing his job.

We simply don't know any context or what words were used.

I see these sort of claims all the time and there is often far more to it and completely different accounts from others there.

 

[Kirby]

Do we know he was sacked? (As opposed to leaving of his own accord)

Are you asking if it's a constructive dismissal?

That would seem to be at odds with the club's statement that the reason for his dismissal has nothing to do with the allegations. In that case, it would be everything to do with it.

We need more information because what we had is pretty much one sided from Cleaver's lawyers.

 

[sr36]

But you have no context for this alleged statement even if it's true. There would be words spoken before and after that could shed a whole different light on it.

It strikes me that it is a trivial allegation anyway.

Put it this way, what if what was said was "let's get this done to get Browne and Sizer off our backs" - in other words put as a collective? It may have been running behind board deadlines because Cleaver wasn't doing his job.

It'd be poor and stupid still. But hardly scandalous. CEO working with First Nations strategist not even feigning interest or belief in the purpose of the room - just something that has to be done to keep the board happy.