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Collingwood, Port Adelaide and Essendon are the best 3 teams in the AFL
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Not the hallucinogens!!!!!0-xXx-0 said:
Ported said:
Who has the first pick ?
Or is it first in first served ??
Stop confusing us Noddy. Anyway, shouldn't you be asking that at TPFP?noddy said:
ahhh, but second rate suburban leagues do...victorian hypocracy on display againBentleigh said:Port = no histroy.
3rd rate town league doesn't really count im afraid.
look, i respect the VFL, i respect it as the preeminent competition BEFORE the national competition. i respect that the history of the AFL IS the VFL
but the AFL is NOT the VFL. your in the big leagues now boys, and making spurious claims to having 60 premierships just doesent fly
HorseHead said:
To be fair, I think your argument misses the point. An AFL premiership is quite different from the VFL flag because:
1. The AFL is a NATIONAL league while the VFL was a provincal Victorian league.
2. The AFL has all of the best players competing in the league while the VFL never did as many elite players from WA and SA opted to stay in their own state.
3. The VFL did not contain the strongest and most dominant clubs that participate in today's AFL. Interstate clubs have won 7 of the last 9 flags since the current composition of the competition was put in place. How can a flag won before the strongest clubs joined be worth as much as one gained with them particiating.
So, winning an AFL flag means have triumphed an environment that contains the best of the best in Australia. A VFL flag meant being the best club in Victoria - a world of difference.
tigerdan
Norm Smith Medallist
QPower said:
How cool - Perth, Sydney and Brisbane are all provinces of Victoria.
Doesn't it suck for your argument that it wasn't AFL until 1990.
tigerdan said:
That twighlight zone between 1987 and 1997 is arguable. Agreed on that. Everything before and after is pretty clear cut.
so your saying that because there was a transitional period from being a ********ant suburban league to a continent spanning national league then the melbourne suburban league is its equal?tigerdan said:
exactly. whatever the shared history and who joined who, the fact is we play on a national stage now. to be the best you cant just get on a bus down to geelong and win, now you have to beat the best of the best from all over the country, and you have to do it with a draft system and a salary cap.QPower said:
thats definitely worth alot more than a cashed up club buying stars to dominate neighboring suburbs.
The Mighty Port Power
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Because I followed the Tigers in the AFL, but out of pure curiousity I went to a few Port games, and found myself really enjoying it, and one thing lead to another and, well, I am now a signed up member. As for the Crows, their games are damn hard to get into, so I stuck with the SANFL until the lure of the AFL was truely available.HorseHead said:
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The Mighty Port Power said:
you shouldnt settle for second best supporting the power, the just apply for a crows membership and in a couple of yrs you'll be able to appreciate attractive flowing football with contested marking at its best.
tigerdan
Norm Smith Medallist
zero said:
No - you're the one saying that. Putting words into someone elses mouth and then criticising them for it is in the realm of high school debating.
What I am saying is that saying the VFL was a suburban league is factually wrong. Deal with it.
you're right. but your point was vague and flippant, also high school stuff.tigerdan said:
the VFL wasnt a suburban league???? before sydney, brisbane and west coast im pretty sure it was (geelong notwithstanding). even with many of the countrys best players coming to vic to play, and it being the best comp in the country, i dont think you can argue that it was more than a suburban comp dominated by its richest member clubs. the AFL of today and the last 15 years is alot tougher and of higher quality than the VFL in the 70s or anytime before, as we have the whole country to draw from, not just the best who were willing to move for cash (and many of the countrys best stayed in WA and SA, there is good reason why history is littered with East Fremantle and Port Adelaide victories against travelling Vic sides).tigerdan said:
there were interstate clubs in the VFLs last years, and the AFL was borne in transition from that great comp, on no set date. but make no mistake, the AFL is a much harder comp to compete and thrive in than the VFL ever was.
count your premierships if you wish, but just like the SANFL premierships of port they were won under lesser cirumstances against lesser opponents.
The Mighty Port Power
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Thanks, but no thanks, Getting to watch champs the callibre of the Cornes boys, Tredrea etc is my idea of good footy.outback jack said:
Ported said:
Can't argue with that.
Although if there are two entities that are both sharing the same honey pot then the one most deserving has to make sure they digest their just deserts.
portentous said:Stop confusing us Noddy. Anyway, shouldn't you be asking that at TPFP?
Well i would if i could but i was asked to leave some time back & as of yet have not been asked to return.
Oh by the bye, very good "old farts" poem doing the rounds at the moment.
I've been through most of these points and in all honesty, can't be bothered typing out the same stuff again. Clearly, it's a pretty divisive issue and it looks as if there will be endless debate as to whether or not VFL flags should count in the rebadged VFL (i.e. AFL). My views on it are obviously pretty clear.QPower said:
)I'll respond to this one because it's a reasonably different argument to ones I've encountered before.)QPower said:
You say (slight paraphrasing here) "seven of the last nine flags have been won by the strongest and most dominant clubs". I'm not sure what this means. Strong in what sense? Financially? Are you saying that Port et al are inherently superior to Victorian clubs and that is why the premiership keeps being won by these non-Victorian clubs?
It stands to reason that, in terms of on-field performances a "strong and dominant club" will more often than not win the flag in a given season, don't you think? The fact that non-Victorian sides have won most of the premierships since 1997 is neither nor here nor there, IMO. Don't forget, four of those premierships were won with salary cap advantages (though I've got no real interest in opening up that can of worms).
Basing your argument on a mere nine years of VFL/AFL history is misleading. I assume you chose 1997 because that was the year Port joined the AFL (or merely because it suits your argument)? Let's have a look at the previous ten years, starting point 1987, when Brisbane and West Coast joined the VFL. For the period 1987-1996, the tally stands at eight Victorian premierships and two non-Victorian premierships. Does that mean Victorian clubs were inherently superior in those days? Of course it doesn't. The current climate of interstate premierships is a mere flash in the pan. Let's look at it again in another ten years. I imagine the results will be very different.
As I've stated in previous posts, the fact is that the same league has been in operation from 1897 until the present day. It's undoubtedly undergone massive changes since it started, but it is still the same league.QPower said:
If, at the end of 1981 (the year prior to South Melbourne being transplanted in Sydney) or 1986 (the year before Brisbane and West Coast joined the VFL) or 1990 (and so on) the VFL had said "we are disbanding the league. A new league will be formed, called the AFL. All existing VFL clubs are invited to join. In addition, a club/clubs from [insert name of state/s here] will also be participating...", then I could understand non-Victorian people saying "VFL flags don't count".
Clearly the VFL/AFL was (and continues to be) the "best" league in Australia. If this were not the case, it wouldn't have effectively gobbled up both the WAFL and SANFL and successfully expanded into the heartland of Rugby League in the northern states. Like it or not, there is a history in the VFL/AFL that is continuous, from 1897 until the present day. Arguing against this is simply rationalising your home-state bias. It is a fact that cannot be disputed.
People are bored. When is the ********ing football going to start.
You have my deepest sympathy noddy.noddy said:Well i would if i could but i was asked to leave some time back & as of yet have not been asked to return.
Oh by the bye, very good "old farts" poem doing the rounds at the moment.
Thought you might like it btw....
Re: Port Adelaide and 2 others are the best 3 teams in the AFL
That must be because Cows players traditionally lack the precision skills to kick to anything BUT a contest.
And now for an old joke:
How do you tell a Crows supporters car?
It's the one with the Blue, White and Pink Premiership sticker on the window.
As for The Mighty Port Adelaide. Welcome aboard, pay your membership, keep embracing your beloved Tigers as we keep beating them, have your historical view, but accept that the correct one is on display in the foyer of the Port Adelaide Football Club, EST 1870
That must be because Cows players traditionally lack the precision skills to kick to anything BUT a contest.
And now for an old joke:
How do you tell a Crows supporters car?
It's the one with the Blue, White and Pink Premiership sticker on the window.
As for The Mighty Port Adelaide. Welcome aboard, pay your membership, keep embracing your beloved Tigers as we keep beating them, have your historical view, but accept that the correct one is on display in the foyer of the Port Adelaide Football Club, EST 1870
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