List Mgmt. COLLINGWOOD Trade and F/A Discussion 2023

[stormskye]

If a club forces a trade with a RFA, do they still get compo? Or is that only if they let them walk?

Looking at potential targets of either parish or HH and we don’t have a lot of currency if clubs match, even more so if we still want to draft some decent kids to develop

 

[Jen2310]

If a club forces a trade with a RFA, do they still get compo? Or is that only if they let them walk?

Looking at potential targets of either parish or HH and we don’t have a lot of currency if clubs match, even more so if we still want to draft some decent kids to develop

No compo, the club has to decide whether a trade is more sufficient outcome (GWS-Geelong Cameron trade) or whether compo would be better by letting them walk.

 

[stormskye]

No compo, the club has to decide whether a trade is more sufficient outcome (GWS-Geelong Cameron trade) or whether compo would be better by letting them walk.

Thanks Jen. Given Essendons potential finish would have thought they’d likely force a trade with parish. If we are keen, we haven’t got much to offer. Wright has his work to do this year.

 

[Scodog10]

Thanks Jen. Given Essendons potential finish would have thought they’d likely force a trade with parish. If we are keen, we haven’t got much to offer. Wright has his work to do this year.

I’d like Parish in a Pokémon sort of way where you gotta get them all, but what’s suggested to you that he might leave? To us? And that he’s a good fit? I was right on board pre Titch, but the fit is wrong now, IMO. It feels like Beams 2.0 (without the other bullshit that came with Beams) essentially a big investment in a guy that isn’t noticeably improving us. He’s great with what he does, but when you weigh that against what he doesn’t do with his two way running and scoreboard impact the net off might be low.

The other element to the discussion is that he’s either just started or is about to start talks with Essendon on a new deal according to Twomey and the only smoke around Parish to Collingwood is on here.

 

[cityslick1]

Port have some serious young talent, I look at Collingwood I see Daicos and Quaynor that's it.

It has to be this year and hopefully we draft really well after that.

Agree with this. All of our stars are mature aged players now, except for one…
No one in the twos is screaming out to be selected, and when they do, they play cameo roles, or fail to impact.
There is a lot resting on Allan’s ability to develop, along with Macrae proving he can play first team midfield. Steene also looks promising, and you’d again hope that Ryan has more room to develop, but there are no young KPPs coming through. Unless you count Krueger. We’ve had pretty ordinary draft picks to play with for a long time though, so mostly unavoidable, and why GW wants / needs to keep topping up with trades and FA.
Let’s not fool ourselves though, Hawks, North, bombers, Giants, Power and even Cats and Swans are well ahead of us for young emerging talent

 

[Jen2310]

I’d like Parish in a Pokémon sort of way where you gotta get them all, but what’s suggested to you that he might leave? To us? And that he’s a good fit? I was right on board pre Titch, but the fit is wrong now, IMO. It feels like Beams 2.0 (without the other bullshit that came with Beams) essentially a big investment in a guy that isn’t noticeably improving us. He’s great with what he does, but when you weigh that against what he doesn’t do with his two way running and scoreboard impact the net off might be low.

The other element to the discussion is that he’s either just started or is about to start talks with Essendon on a new deal according to Twomey and the only smoke around Parish to Collingwood is on here.

Yup, I'm with this as well.
He is a great player and all, and if we didn't have Mitchell, then sure, he'd improve us centre bounce clearances; but I just can't see a role for him really. Also not the first time he is an accumilator yet does nothing with it. Doesn't hurt you on the scoreboard. Just a lot of handball chains, with a limited inside 50's.
I don't think we need his type a need for this year at least. I would imagine the coaches would rather get games into our younger brigade if it came down to it.

 

[Daicosian silk]

They have Rozee and Butters who are both older than the daicos brothers who are easily the equal of those 2. Drew, Farrell, sinn and McEntee have been around a few years and are far from stars. Bergman is leaving and that's about it for their youngsters . We have players equal or better than the likes of Drew etc and all around the same age. I think our window is only just opening and we will be in it for the next 5 years.

Furthermore, as the Pies become a destination club we will be able to continue adding high quality talent to bolster our list for years. This will keep us in the premiership window for a long time much like Geelong have done

 

[stormskye]

I’d like Parish in a Pokémon sort of way where you gotta get them all, but what’s suggested to you that he might leave? To us? And that he’s a good fit? I was right on board pre Titch, but the fit is wrong now, IMO. It feels like Beams 2.0 (without the other bullshit that came with Beams) essentially a big investment in a guy that isn’t noticeably improving us. He’s great with what he does, but when you weigh that against what he doesn’t do with his two way running and scoreboard impact the net off might be low.

The other element to the discussion is that he’s either just started or is about to start talks with Essendon on a new deal according to Twomey and the only smoke around Parish to Collingwood is on here.

I’m not all in on him, and I agree atm do we really have a role for him. Perhaps our best approach is to just draft a couple and develop them. We will def have some holes in 2-3 years but that is decent time to draft and prepare. I suppose the issue I see is access to elite talent to replace our mids. We don’t have the picks to replace players like pendles, sidey, Mitchell. We will need to hit the lottery unless we fall down the ladder. Another one like hill for a second rounder for would an excellent result

 

[No SPIN]

Agree with this. All of our stars are mature aged players now, except for one…
No one in the twos is screaming out to be selected, and when they do, they play cameo roles, or fail to impact.
There is a lot resting on Allan’s ability to develop, along with Macrae proving he can play first team midfield. Steene also looks promising, and you’d again hope that Ryan has more room to develop, but there are no young KPPs coming through. Unless you count Krueger. We’ve had pretty ordinary draft picks to play with for a long time though, so mostly unavoidable, and why GW wants / needs to keep topping up with trades and FA.
Let’s not fool ourselves though, Hawks, North, bombers, Giants, Power and even Cats and Swans are well ahead of us for young emerging talent

Geel? Who are these young emerging talents that are well ahead of us?

 

[sr36]

Josh is 14 months older than Rozee and 16 months older than Butters.

Not much but probably 1-1.5 seasons of football ahead in terms of development.

Those two are better players than Josh, but the three are contemporaries, even moreso than Sidey and Pendles are contemporaries. To be including two of them as young players for the future and not including the other due to being 14 months older is silly.

 

[Quicky]

I’d like Parish in a Pokémon sort of way where you gotta get them all, but what’s suggested to you that he might leave? To us? And that he’s a good fit? I was right on board pre Titch, but the fit is wrong now, IMO. It feels like Beams 2.0 (without the other bullshit that came with Beams) essentially a big investment in a guy that isn’t noticeably improving us. He’s great with what he does, but when you weigh that against what he doesn’t do with his two way running and scoreboard impact the net off might be low.

The other element to the discussion is that he’s either just started or is about to start talks with Essendon on a new deal according to Twomey and the only smoke around Parish to Collingwood is on here.

It's because of what Scout said on EBnW last year. It's persisted on.

What would be your strategy this trade/draft period?

 

[JuniorB]

If we're looking for another KPD, it might be worth enquiring after Grainger-Barras and/or Marchbank.
The former can't seem to get a game & the latter has had injury issues, but they'd both be far cheaper than Ben McKay

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3.7

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3.8

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2.7

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1.7

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77.2

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7.5

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4.5

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3.0

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2.5

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67.8

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[sr36]

If we're looking for another KPD, it might be worth enquiring after Grainger-Barras and/or Marchbank.
The former can't seem to get a game & the latter has had injury issues, but they'd both be far cheaper than Ben McKay.

Anyone paid attention to DGBs time at Hawthorn. Sounded like a sure thing at draft time.

 

[No SPIN]

If we're looking for another KPD, it might be worth enquiring after Grainger-Barras and/or Marchbank.
The former can't seem to get a game & the latter has had injury issues, but they'd both be far cheaper than Ben McKay.

GB - yes.
Marchbank- no from me. Indecisive and size and skills no better than Ruscoe.
His body is another issue.

 

[KinderSmock]

GB - yes.
Marchbank- no from me. Indecisive and size and skills no better than Ruscoe.
His body is another issue.

Wouldn't be hard to coax a couple of Carlton stars away given their salary cap issues.

 

[LuckyLee]

How much do you think Himmelberg is worth per year?

More than McStay.


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[windchimes]

More than McStay.


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However we already have McStay on the books somewhere in the $500k p/y ball-park, so we'd just be adding an extra versatile almost-tall for significantly more money than that.

I have noticed people in this thread (not necessarily you LL) seem to be bringing McStay up a lot in regards to HH, It's a pretty strange point imo because bringing Himmelberg in won't void McStay's contract like some here seem to almost think. We'll be then paying a lot of money for both.

 

[windchimes]

Wouldn't be hard to coax a couple of Carlton stars away given their salary cap issues.

Stars? They have about two of them and I don’t reckon they’d be the ones they let go.

 

[LuckyLee]

However we already have McStay on the books somewhere in the $500k p/y ball-park, so we'd just be adding an extra versatile almost-tall for significantly more money than that.

I have noticed people in this thread (not necessarily you LL) seem to be bringing McStay up a lot in regards to HH, It's a pretty strange point imo because bringing Himmelberg in won't void McStay's contract like some here seem to almost think. We'll be then paying a lot of money for both.

I think HH is a much better player than McStay, so deserves a bigger pay packet. I wasn’t suggesting that he’ll replace McStay or that McStay will be moved on.


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[sr36]

I think HH is a much better player than McStay, so deserves a bigger pay packet. I wasn’t suggesting that he’ll replace McStay or that McStay will be moved on.


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We've got about 15 blokes who deserve a bigger pay packet than McStay, but if they all got that our cap would be stuffed.

 

[unplugged]

We've got about 15 blokes who deserve a bigger pay packet than McStay, but if they all got that our cap would be stuffed.

Not sure you can say that yet. He has played 2.75 games in the role we recruited him for.

 

[sr36]

Not sure you can say that yet. He has played 2.75 games in the role we recruited him for.

I'm basing it on a lot of Brissy games. For them he was solid but a bottom third of a good team type of player in my view. I haven't seen any reason for him to be rated higher since coming to us. Pace stops him from being a top liner, in my view.

 

[sr36]

I’m not all in on him, and I agree atm do we really have a role for him. Perhaps our best approach is to just draft a couple and develop them. We will def have some holes in 2-3 years but that is decent time to draft and prepare. I suppose the issue I see is access to elite talent to replace our mids. We don’t have the picks to replace players like pendles, sidey, Mitchell. We will need to hit the lottery unless we fall down the ladder. Another one like hill for a second rounder for would an excellent result

I'd be going youth this year, be it draft or younger recruits than are being floated on here. I suspect there'd be some talented kids on lists who are taking a bit longer due to missing a couple of seasons due to covid.

 

[Magnanimous]

Port have some serious young talent, I look at Collingwood I see Daicos and Quaynor that's it.

It has to be this year and hopefully we draft really well after that.

Port Looking to be a contender for many years the way they are going.
Amazing young midfield.


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[Go Woods]

Zero Hanger article on Gresham's potential move also mentions Saints interest in Bergman and now Pies and Bumbers also interested in Bergman.