List Mgmt. COLLINGWOOD Trade and F/A Discussion

[BEEG]

How do the points work with this trade scenario?

Brisbane - 2022 1st round pick - let's say 16.

Pies 3x 2022 3rd round picks - let's say 42, 46, 48.

 

[Louie the Lipinski]

No we don’t. We need one when we are next challenging. That isn’t the next few years. If we are going to grow one yes, but that isn’t the only way to do it.

Not so sure about that. I'm putting 2021 down to the dumpster fire of a pre season we had that spilt into the season proper. I reckon we can make the eight in 2022.

 

[Pragmatic Shill]

How do the points work with this trade scenario?

Brisbane - 2022 1st round pick - let's say 16.

Pies 3x 2022 3rd round picks - let's say 42, 46, 48.

16 is 1067 points.

42, 46 and 48 are 1028. Not beneficial for Brisbane.

 

[sr36]

You might be confused
I am taking about when Fritsch was a vfl player at Casey under Plapp and the Dees took him in ND.

Yep. We were talking cross purposes. I simply meant that we should view Keane and Kelly as current depth and thus not need to bring in anyone else for depth in the role. But someone who projects to being a quality best 22 - by all means - in every position.

 

[ThePhantom777]

Can you hurry up and make up some more rumours on the Scandals and Rumours board please? It's so slow moving.

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I was permanently banned from the main thread on that board after the mods swept through and decided to clean up anything that wasn't "clean"

 

[Magnanimous]

Hopefully Murphy gets it together in 2022


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Liked Murphy but what is his concussion count up to?


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[inxs88]

We laugh now but wait till he gets his hose out during negotiations...

Putty in Wright's hands

 

[Quicky]

In the highlights video I saw, Dean looks a lovely kick, but he doesn't look very good in the air.

That's why I'd prefer Schlensong who is an excellent intercept mark. To go with a solid all round game with good speed, good kick and good at ground level for a big bloke. I still like Strngle as a fit for us too. But maybe that's too many DFA's.

 

[Finnishpie]

Where is the problem exactly? Last year we had 4 in the top 30 and a 5th at 31. This year we get a top 3 pick in daicos and next year we will have our own first rounder likely to be top 10 (good chance top 5). So in 3 drafts we will have obtained exactly what you prescribed. No doubt we could've got far better value from our trades last year but it's not like we're neglecting the draft.

Problem is, I think we're maybe 2-3 top 15 picks shy of what we need. That's the problem.

 

[jonbe54]

Problem is, I think we're maybe 2-3 top 15 picks shy of what we need. That's the problem.

Not a problem Finnish but a process, it's a full rebuild.

These things take time.

 

[well left]

That's why I'd prefer Schlensong who is an excellent intercept mark. To go with a solid all round game with good speed, good kick and good at ground level for a big bloke. I still like Strngle as a fit for us too. But maybe that's too many DFA's.

Yeah I think I agree. Dean looks like a good lockdown defender and rarely beaten, although they wouldn’t show that in highlights, but I think to make it as a key defender at the next level you need to intercept.

He may be able to do that and we might be able to develop it but if there’s another option that shows it then I’d prefer that.

For all the talk of Rough as a lockdown defender it does plenty of intercepting also.


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[What is a cakewalk]

Problem is, I think we're maybe 2-3 top 15 picks shy of what we need. That's the problem.

Hate to bring any degree of pessimism but i don't think we'll be flying up the ladder to top 4 in 23/24 when pendles, sidey, howe finish, adams body will be beaten up and the midfield is full of 21 year olds. As long as we aren't silly with trading them i think we'll get plenty of cracks at top 15 over the next 4 or 5 years.

 

[partypie]

Hate to bring any degree of pessimism but i don't think we'll be flying up the ladder to top 4 in 23/24 when pendles, sidey, howe finish, adams body will be beaten up and the midfield is full of 21 year olds. As long as we aren't silly with trading them i think we'll get plenty of cracks at top 15 over the next 4 or 5 years.

Yep, I wouldn't expect us to start seriously pushing for finals / top 4 until 2025. It's possible but at this point probably not likely that we'll make it to that stage a year or two sooner...

 

[snagbreac]

Liked Murphy but what is his concussion count up to?


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Five, I think. He's got a history with the injury at 22. That's not good. That's never good. People can say what they like about concussions not being serious but the AFL is cracking down on players who get repeat brain injuries. He's young now but I remember a lot said by players about recovering well at 21 but not at 25. He needs to fix his game or I think concussion will spell the end of his career. McCartin left the game with eight or nine. Murphy is only three or four off that figure. Melbourne fans know Brayshaw is only a knock off being sent out for good.

I don't want to fear monger, but this is a real danger for him. The body of research from neurologists is growing by the day and a lawsuit (like in the NFL) will affect a lot of clubs, cost the league a lot of money in damages and a few could lose their jobs.

 

[Seedsfan]

Five, I think. He's got a history with the injury at 22. That's not good. That's never good. People can say what they like about concussions not being serious but the AFL is cracking down on players who get repeat brain injuries. He's young now but I remember a lot said by players about recovering well at 21 but not at 25. He needs to fix his game or I think concussion will spell the end of his career. McCartin left the game with eight or nine. Murphy is only three or four off that figure. Melbourne fans know Brayshaw is only a knock off being sent out for good.

I don't want to fear monger, but this is a real danger for him. The body of research from neurologists is growing by the day and a lawsuit (like in the NFL) will affect a lot of clubs, cost the league a lot of money in damages and a few could lose their jobs.

You say you don’t want to fear monger and then you go on to fear monger

 

[LarryKinn]

The issue for me is that Roughead is 30, Moore is injury prone and coming off a fairly long layoff and with the only real replacements being Keane and Kelly (both unproven and have struggled at AFL level) that is a big risk we are taking in the key defender department. We need someone plug and play as backup. Keane and Kelly are not there yet imo. Thats why I wouldn't mind trading out our future 1st for players such as Gibcus or Andrews on top of picking up a Dean type. We need guaranteed key defender stocks. On top of that they take time to develop. If we are picking them up in the 2022 draft they might not be ready until 2023-24. Thats a massive hole in our list.

exactly, so instead of a skinny 18 year old, we have to wait 4 years on, give me a free hit on Brander right now as a DFA and back our new development coaches

 

[Harry O]

Yeah I think I agree. Dean looks like a good lockdown defender and rarely beaten, although they wouldn’t show that in highlights, but I think to make it as a key defender at the next level you need to intercept.

He may be able to do that and we might be able to develop it but if there’s another option that shows it then I’d prefer that.

For all the talk of Rough as a lockdown defender it does plenty of intercepting also.


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I think you make some good points. One thing about Charlie Dean is he averaged pretty good disposal numbers for Willi this year so not purely a lockdown Secondly he played mainly as a key forward as a junior so interception should be something he can do. He certainly told trade radio recently he saw himself as an interception style defender
I also highly rate the Williamstown finishing school and Justin Plapp so that is a big tick for me

 

[Pleasedontfail11]

exactly, so instead of a skinny 18 year old, we have to wait 4 years on, give me a free hit on Brander right now as a DFA and back our new development coaches

Brander doesn't smell right to me. He is either too versatile and is good at no position, or there is something fishy going on. My thinking is that we don't realise it just yet but Brander = Madgen.

 

[Jen2310]

Just had it confirmed that Keane is Cat B. They must have gotten permission to transfer him from Cat A to Cat B, as that wasn't always the case.

 

[manicpie]

I think you make some good points. One thing about Charlie Dean is he averaged pretty good disposal numbers for Willi this year so not purely a lockdown Secondly he played mainly as a key forward as a junior so interception should be something he can do. He certainly told trade radio recently he saw himself as an interception style defender
I also highly rate the Williamstown finishing school and Justin Plapp so that is a big tick for me

He really seems to lack athleticism, quite slow also. Has a nice kick but I doubt he even get's picked up, maybe rookie

 

[JuniorB]

Just had it confirmed that Keane is Cat B. They must have gotten permission to transfer him from Cat A to Cat B, as that wasn't always the case.

That's good, because it frees up an extra list spot. If we're going to keep Cox, maybe this was the holdup.

 

[snagbreac]

You say you don’t want to fear monger and then you go on to fear monger

Fear mongering would be saying Murphy will get CTE or drop dead on the pitch or be concussed out the same. I was it COULD happen. And it wasn't EXAGGERATED (central to the definition of fear mongering) as that has all actually happened. So it's fact, therefore not manipulating anything.

 

[snagbreac]

That's good, because it frees up an extra list spot. If we're going to keep Cox, maybe this was the holdup.

Cox could become a Cat A rookie.

 

[Seedsfan]

Fear mongering would be saying Murphy will get CTE or drop dead on the pitch or be concussed out the same. I was it COULD happen. And it wasn't EXAGGERATED (central to the definition of fear mongering) as that has all actually happened. So it's fact, therefore not manipulating anything.

You bring up irrelevant civil suits in the US that have no relevance

 

[Jen2310]

Cox could become a Cat A rookie.

Could. They would have to delist him to do that. And we haven't heard one way or another yet.