List Mgmt. COLLINGWOOD Trade and F/A Discussion

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Possibly. But are they in a position where they have to get rid of these players, or do they simply not mind if they walk as it eases cap pressure?

Our problem was that we 100% had to drop contracted players and give clubs incentive to take them on just to stay under the cap, I’m not sure if GWS’ position is quite so dire.

Even if we can get a slightly cheaper deal in terms of picks, or a slight salary subsidy… it’s worth asking. Especially while they are coachless… the new coach (let’s call him Al) might just be happy to have a clean slate to work with

 

[Dead Eye Didak]

Adding in Taranto and Mcstay is at least 1.2 million of salary cap we need to clear…. Plus we have tonnes of promising kids getting bigger contracts. Where does this money come from if were keeping Grundy and de Goey? Do we even need Grundy?

Its all speculation regarding Taranto. Wouldn't be surprised if he stays at GWS, which apparently is his option, but he has been earmarked as possible trade bait due to the GWS salary cap mismanagement. I think he will remain at GWS, especially if Clarko ends up there.
We may only get in McStay and Hill, which would mean the amount cutting into our cap wouldn’t be as deep, so we could still have Grundy and DeGoey on the books...

 

[Quicky]

Just don't think we need him.

We have plenty of young forwards coming through. Johnson and Krueger both have the potential to be better than him. I've never seen McStay stand out as a defender either.

Money better spent elsewhere.

McStay last played defence in 2017. I think he has all the attributes for it though. He is incredibly strong aerially, athletically, has the size, strong work ethic.

 

[Quicky]

Its all speculation regarding Taranto. Wouldn't be surprised if he stays at GWS, which apparently is his option, but he has been earmarked as possible trade bait due to the GWS salary cap mismanagement. I think he will remain at GWS, especially if Clarko ends up there.
We may only get in McStay and Hill, which would mean the amount cutting into our cap wouldn’t be as deep, so we could still have Grundy and DeGoey on the books...

I'd be very surprised if Taranto stays if the rumour is he only has a 450k contract in front of him.

 

[Apex36]

Even if we can get a slightly cheaper deal in terms of picks, or a slight salary subsidy… it’s worth asking. Especially while they are coachless… the new coach (let’s call him Al) might just be happy to have a clean slate to work with

They’re all out of contract aside from Hopper I believe, so a salary subsidy won’t happen. Clubs aren’t that progressive with their trades yet.

 

[Scodog10]

McStay last played defence in 2017. I think he has all the attributes for it though. He is incredibly strong aerially, athletically, has the size, strong work ethic.

Does Madgen’s form complicate things re McStay? I’m obviously not a fan of his work down back, but his form forward of the ball lately is promising. Right now he’s the next cab off the rank as a forward and although I’d go a different way if WHE misses I’d be happy for Madge to come in.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Does Madgen’s form complicate things re McStay? I’m obviously not a fan of his work down back, but his form forward of the ball lately is promising. Right now he’s the next cab off the rank as a forward and although I’d go a different way if WHE misses I’d be happy for Madge to come in.

I think Collingwoods form across the board complicates things re mcstay.

List managers have a tough enough decision working out who to delist already without making extra room for recruits we may or may not need.

I haven’t seen his vfl of recent weeks so not sure if Madge is benefiting from great supply or is a genuine revelation as a forward. Also, he is nearing 30 so not exactly the future . But it’s awesome to see him demand selection and demand re-signing. At worst he might find himself of some value at other clubs to continue his career if it’s not at Collingwood

 

[Scodog10]

I think Collingwoods form across the board complicates things re mcstay.

List managers have a tough enough decision working out who to delist already without making extra room for recruits we may or may not need.

I haven’t seen his vfl of recent weeks so not sure if Madge is benefiting from great supply or is a genuine revelation as a forward. Also, he is nearing 30 so not exactly the future . But it’s awesome to see him demand selection and demand re-signing. At worst he might find himself of some value at other clubs to continue his career if it’s not at Collingwood

I pondered this one before posting and I don’t think it really matters. He’s putting up when others aren’t which is good enough for me. I think the problem is more about how far down the road we are with McStay and which role we plan to bring him in to fill. We could always throw Kreuger down back as an alternative if Madgen maintains the rage.

I posted only Thursday or Friday that I can only see one of Madgen, Brown x 2, Wilson and Kelly surviving. Right now I choose Madgen (if it’s as a forward because he’s a horrible defender). The best ability is availability and whilst I think Wilson provides more over the next few years right now Madgen gets the nod for a 2023 contract, IMO.

 

[SchuPie]

Our pick will be in the late teens or 20s.
That’s not going to cut it for Taranto.

Are they under significant salary cap pressure?
We gave AT, 26, 33, 42 for 14 (which ended up being 17)
Let’s see how much they need to reduce their cap

 

[SchuPie]

I pondered this one before posting and I don’t think it really matters. He’s putting up when others aren’t which is good enough for me. I think the problem is more about how far down the road we are with McStay and which role we plan to bring him in to fill. We could always throw Kreuger down back as an alternative if Madgen maintains the rage.

I posted only Thursday or Friday that I can only see one of Madgen, Brown x 2, Wilson and Kelly surviving. Right now I choose Madgen (if it’s as a forward because he’s a horrible defender). The best ability is availability and whilst I think Wilson provides more over the next few years right now Madgen gets the nod for a 2023 contract, IMO.

I think Madge is diff player to McStay so I don’t think we can compare
Madge won’t be able to go through the ruck, draw a tall defender, play on a tall KPF
Just my opinion, even if Nadge makes it or not, it won’t have any baring on the McStay decision
In the lead up to acquiring Krueger, all the talk on the Cats’ board was that they were disappointed to lose him but they couldn’t fit him in their forward line (said he was a natural forward) and that he, in their opinion, wasn’t a very good KPD

 

[Scodog10]

I think Madge is diff player to McStay so I don’t think we can compare
Madge won’t be able to go through the ruck, draw a tall defender, play in a tall KPF
Just my opinion, even if Nadge makes it or not, it won’t have any baring on the McStay decision
In the lead up to acquiring Krueger, all the talk on the Cats’ board was that they were disappointed to lose him but they couldn’t fit him in their forward line (said he was a natural forward) and that he, in their opinion, wasn’t a very good KPD

I’m not so sure re that McStay v Madgen comparison. I personally don’t buy that McStay is coming in to play through the ruck because even if we move Grundy I think it’s likely we stick with the Cox and Cameron mix (I’d prefer McStay as the second ruck myself) Grundy sticking around makes it even less likely. If you take that out of his game as a forward acquisition he’s largely another Mihocek style workhoarse type. That’s Madgen’s go as well.

It’s Big Footy the bolded largely means nothing to me. For context we play differently to Geelong and have a different mix of players. He’s got the closing speed, kicking penetration and agility to make a good defender so it’s worth a shot to see how he picks up our system if we use McStay forward, IMO.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

I pondered this one before posting and I don’t think it really matters. He’s putting up when others aren’t which is good enough for me. I think the problem is more about how far down the road we are with McStay and which role we plan to bring him in to fill. We could always throw Kreuger down back as an alternative if Madgen maintains the rage.

I posted only Thursday or Friday that I can only see one of Madgen, Brown x 2, Wilson and Kelly surviving. Right now I choose Madgen (if it’s as a forward because he’s a horrible defender). The best ability is availability and whilst I think Wilson provides more over the next few years right now Madgen gets the nod for a 2023 contract, IMO.

Wilson is a rookie who has to get promoted doesn’t he? Which means retaining/promoting him means anotheR senior player needs to be delisted.

 

[MyManLynch]

Wilson is a rookie who has to get promoted doesn’t he? Which means retaining/promoting him means anotheR senior player needs to be delisted.

Yes…some tough list management decisions at seasons end.
Some players will be unlucky to be squeezed out.

 

[Mick F]

I’m not so sure re that McStay v Madgen comparison. I personally don’t buy that McStay is coming in to play through the ruck because even if we move Grundy I think it’s likely we stick with the Cox and Cameron mix (I’d prefer McStay as the second ruck myself) Grundy sticking around makes it even less likely. If you take that out of his game as a forward acquisition he’s largely another Mihocek style workhoarse type. That’s Madgen’s go as well.

It’s Big Footy the bolded largely means nothing to me. For context we play differently to Geelong and have a different mix of players. He’s got the closing speed, kicking penetration and agility to make a good defender so it’s worth a shot to see how he picks up our system if we use McStay forward, IMO.

I am still in the camp of - retain Grundy and De Goey. Play Kreuger forward and Dean back. Get games into McInnes, Carmichael, MacRae, Bianco and Draper when form warrants it.

Draft a KPF with first pick and an inside mid (with packaged third rounders).

FA - tricky. It seems the young, quality, inside mids have been locked up by their clubs. Maybe start chatting to one now for next year.

 

[Pistol Night]

I am still in the camp of - Retain Grundy and De Goey. Play Kreuger forward and Dean back. Get games into McInnes, Carmichael, Bianco and Draper when form warrants it.

Draft a KPF with first pick and an inside mid (with packaged third rounders).

FA - tricky, it seems the young, quality, inside mids have been locked up by their clubs. Maybe start chatting to one now for next year.

Newcombe from Hawthorn would put the cat amongst the pigeons. They reckon hes Leigh Matthews

 

[magpies42]

It amounts to the same thing though. There’s always the potential to negotiate a better deal if you know the seller is under some pressure.

Still don’t understand why Witts went for nothing…

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Still don’t understand why Witts went for nothing…

Doesn’t really matter any more but he was young clumsy and couldn’t get a game with us was part of it. We didn’t get nothing for him but could have got better.

 

[KinderSmock]

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Look who’s liking JDG’s post…

It would be odd to like that if Richmond was going to be his destination.

 

[Prexm]

I pondered this one before posting and I don’t think it really matters. He’s putting up when others aren’t which is good enough for me. I think the problem is more about how far down the road we are with McStay and which role we plan to bring him in to fill. We could always throw Kreuger down back as an alternative if Madgen maintains the rage.

I posted only Thursday or Friday that I can only see one of Madgen, Brown x 2, Wilson and Kelly surviving. Right now I choose Madgen (if it’s as a forward because he’s a horrible defender). The best ability is availability and whilst I think Wilson provides more over the next few years right now Madgen gets the nod for a 2023 contract, IMO.

If it was a choice of those 5 I would keep Kelly as he is 8 years younger than Madgen and could still improve to be the full back we badly need even though it does look unlikely at this stage. I can just see Madgen coming into the seniors , being over enthusiastic and spoiling our own players in the forward line. 11 wins since Madgen and Callum Brown have been out of the team. Coincidence or not?

 

[KinderSmock]

cox was on a 1 year contract when on that money, which ran out last year. in 2022 he was on half that.

He's been worth it. $250k for Cox's headlines and solid ruck work

With America in mind, he's probably got a value of about that, anyway. A premiership to add to the story would be the crowning jewel and we could trot him around the states to rev up the game.

 

[Scodog10]

Wilson is a rookie who has to get promoted doesn’t he? Which means retaining/promoting him means anotheR senior player needs to be delisted.

He can be drafted as a category A rookie and doesn’t have to go into the senior list.

If it was a choice of those 5 I would keep Kelly as he is 8 years younger than Madgen and could still improve to be the full back we badly need even though it does look unlikely at this stage. I can just see Madgen coming into the seniors , being over enthusiastic and spoiling our own players in the forward line. Still maintain it is not a coincidence that we have won 11 in a row since Madgen and Callum Brown have been out of the team.

I’m not sure what it is that people see in Kelly other than his surname and KP size, but he’s not making it. Zero competitiveness.

 

[KinderSmock]

I chatted to his parents today. It'll get done, I'm confident in that.

Did they have any other tea?

 

[Scodog10]

I am still in the camp of - retain De Goey trade Grundy out for Taranto. Play Kreuger forward and Dean back. Get games into McInnes, Carmichael, MacRae, Bianco and Draper when form warrants it.

Draft a KPF with first pick and an inside mid (with packaged third rounders).

FA - tricky. It seems the young, quality, inside mids have been locked up by their clubs. Maybe start chatting to one now for next year.

EFA. Our stoppage issues at the drop of the ball are getting out of hand. An inside bull is a must if we’re to improve again, IMO.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

He can be drafted as a category A rookie and doesn’t have to go into the senior list.
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Thanks for clarifying.

 

[stormskye]

EFA. Our stoppage issues at the drop of the ball are getting out of hand. An inside bull is a must if we’re to improve again, IMO.

That’s my concern. Melbs weakness is lack of quality talls in forward line. Their only one. If Cameron Hawkins or Mackay and Curnow got similar supply, we would be in trouble. Our midfield is our no 1 issue. Hands down.