Autopsy Collingwood: Where to from here?

[HeathySure]

1st to 9th doesn't tell you anything?

we were 3rd before the injuries hit, not losing a game for 9 straight games., then when HALF our decent players came back we lost to the Swans by a point and beat the premiers who had everything to play for. WE finished off the season well.
So what does that tell you?

 

[Robertio]

Would Collingwood have been better of finishing 12th in 2023 for our list to be 'trending in the right direction'.

How do you explain Collingwood's recovery from:
2nd in 2018
4th in 2019
8th in 2020
17th in 2021

That list didn't seem to be trending in the right direction, and there was much more data available...

Looks like the Pies may have overachieved in 2023 and 9th might be their norm with half their their best 18 being 30+ and 4 being 32+. Where do you think they'll be in 2028 when Tassie enters the AFL?

 

[Robertio]

we were 3rd before the injuries hit, not losing a game for 9 straight games., then when HALF our decent players came back we lost to the Swans by a point and beat the premiers who had everything to play for. WE finished off the season well.
So what does that tell you?

So are you blaming injuries for missing finals?

 

[Robertio]

Anyway, tell us more about Collingwood finishing 9th in 2024 automatically resulting in a Collingwood track record of not 'regularly being in contention'?

2018 and 2023 is not too regular IMO.

 

[Corn Cobbers]

Where do you think they'll be in 2028 when Tassie enters the AFL?

Still regularly contending as powerhouses do

Tassie lol, who would want to play a whole career there? Too cold we'll top up with their wantaway players

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[Fadge]

Looks like the Pies may have overachieved in 2023 and 9th might be their norm with half their their best 18 being 30+ and 4 being 32+. Where do you think they'll be in 2028 when Tassie enters the AFL?

Must have overachieved in 2022 as well...

 

[HeathySure]

So are you blaming injuries for missing finals?

yes

 

[WalshistheGOAT]

we have a few who look promising. thats all you need, they could end up shit but if they fit into the side perfectly as role players thats all you need. We have turned a few low draft picks and rookie list players into very good role players and won a flag

Names please

 

[Arr0w]

It's clear, they have rolled the dice, if it works, they may snag another flag, if it doesn't, it will take longer to rejuvenate the list

 

[HeathySure]

Names please

Jiath Demattia Allen Parker, Ryan and the ones we got in the 2024 draft

But this is kind of a pointless exercise as some may end up good and some shit, like every sides youngsters.

 

[Zevon]

Just a friendly reminder that this isn’t the banter thread folks. Most posts have been fine but some have been a little close to the edge.

If your post that didn’t cross the line was removed and you’re wondering why, it was most likely because it quoted/replied to one that did.

That aside, happy new year all

 

[Fadge]

2018 and 2023 is not too regular IMO.

So losing a Preliminary Final by less than a kick does not constitute 'a contender'?

 

[Robertio]

So losing a Preliminary Final by less than a kick does not constitute 'a contender'?

Nope not that year, you were never going to win it.

 

[Bestbird]

Collinwood has an interesting National draft strategy when you look at the last 5 drafts not including this years.


2023
25 Demattia
37 Jiath

2022
19 Allan
28 Ryan
48 Richards

2021
4 Daicos
45 Draper
49 Murley
52 Harrison

2020
17 Henry
19 Macrea
23 McInnes
30 Poulter
31 McMahon
44 McCreery

2019
40 Rantall
45 Bianco
55 Ruscoe

 

[WillHayward]

Collinwood has an interesting National draft strategy when you look at the last 5 drafts not including this years.


2023
25 Demattia
37 Jiath

2022
19 Allan
28 Ryan
48 Richards

2021
4 Daicos
45 Draper
49 Murley
52 Harrison

2020
17 Henry
19 Macrea
23 McInnes
30 Poulter
31 McMahon
44 McCreery

2019
40 Rantall
45 Bianco
55 Ruscoe

3 first round picks in 5 years.

Brought in McStay, Schulz and Houston.

 

[Fadge]

3 first round picks in 5 years.

Brought in McStay, Schulz and Houston.

And won a flag, and narrowly fell short of another one, in that time.

 

[doppleganger]

Collinwood has an interesting National draft strategy when you look at the last 5 drafts not including this years.


2023
25 Demattia - ???
37 Jiath - ???

2022
19 Allan - ???
28 Ryan - ???
48 Richards - solid late pick

2021
4 Daicos - good pick
45 Draper - late bust
49 Murley - late bust
52 Harrison - solid late pick

2020
17 Henry - good pick
19 Macrea - ???
23 McInnes - ???
30 Poulter - solid pick
31 McMahon - bust
44 McCreery - good pick

2019
40 Rantall - late bust
45 Bianco - late bust
55 Ruscoe - late bust

If you can draft 1-2 good kids per draft going ok.

Having early picks helps, which we haven't had (by choice).

2019 was a bust
2020 looks good (but Henry and Poulter playing at other clubs).
2021 looks good
2022 and 2023 too early to tell

 

[Arr0w]

Not about the past

Collingwood: Where to from here?

One last crack, then the next phase will be very interesting

 

[Muddiemoose]

Collinwood has an interesting National draft strategy when you look at the last 5 drafts not including this years.


2023
25 Demattia
37 Jiath

2022
19 Allan
28 Ryan
48 Richards

2021
4 Daicos
45 Draper
49 Murley
52 Harrison

2020
17 Henry
19 Macrea
23 McInnes
30 Poulter
31 McMahon
44 McCreery

2019
40 Rantall
45 Bianco
55 Ruscoe

Similar to Richmond before our free-fall trying to maximise the window with ready mades

Neglected the pointy end of the draft (partly due to finishing in high ladder positions and also trading out 1st rounders for players)

 

[Fadge]

Similar to Richmond before our free-fall trying to maximise the window with ready mades

Neglected the pointy end of the draft (partly due to finishing in high ladder positions and also trading out 1st rounders for players)

Who is Richmond's equivalent of Nick Daicos?

 

[Muddiemoose]

Who is Richmond's equivalent of Nick Daicos?

No like for like equivalent in terms of age and talent but an argument could be made that Taranto and Hopper as ready made top end centre square mids are kind of similar

The same issue presents itself, Taranto (with Hopper injury pelaged) can’t do it on his own without more talent around him and holes among other positions on field

Even Ablett Jr in his prime kicking 2 a week and getting 35 plus wasn’t enough to get wins for Gold Coast without the cattle around him including a large number of kids who have had fantastic careers as they have matured

So unsure how we can expect Daicos the buck the trend with top ups around him

 

[daicosdemis]

Nope not that year, you were never going to win it.

Lol, why is that ? We lost to Geelong by a kick only two weeks prior. We were absolutely in it.

 

[daicosdemis]

Not about the past

Collingwood: Where to from here?

One last crack, then the next phase will be very interesting

Really ? You think Collingwood will stop attracting players from other clubs ?

 

[daicosdemis]

Lol, why is that ? We lost to Geelong by a kick only two weeks prior. We were absolutely in it.

Laugh all you want, the general consensus was that Collingwood would have given Geelong a much tougher game than Sydney.

 

[daicosdemis]

No like for like equivalent in terms of age and talent but an argument could be made that Taranto and Hopper as ready made top end centre square mids are kind of similar

The same issue presents itself, Taranto (with Hopper injury pelaged) can’t do it on his own without more talent around him and holes among other positions on field

Even Ablett Jr in his prime kicking 2 a week and getting 35 plus wasn’t enough to get wins for Gold Coast without the cattle around him including a large number of kids who have had fantastic careers as they have matured

So unsure how we can expect Daicos the buck the trend with top ups around him

Poor examples all around. Taranto and Hopper are top end nothing and if Richmond had their time again they would not have made those trades.
Gold Coast also a poor example as it comes with the idiosyncrasies of a team with no tradition and history, existing in a non AFL state.
Give Collingwood a peak Ablett Jr and a ton of first round draft picks and watch us contest flags for the next decade.