Autopsy Collingwood: Where to from here?

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WalshistheGOAT said:
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JustaBattler said:
you'll be fine apparently your CLub has a monopoly access to the 'fountain of youf'.
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Times have changed in all sports, Sports medicine is better and players are better longer. Its the same in all sports. We have realised this and have a generational player who is 21 to build around for many years.
 
Arr0w said:
We can reference any period we want, especially in a rebuttal to a bizarre comparison, tiger


You must have me mistaken with one of your own, I have you finishing 5th to 8th

Need a sandpit?
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i never questioned where you have us, but this isnt the who is better in 2025 thread although you wouldnt think so given its the same old people commenting the same things.
 
HeathySure said:
Times have changed in all sports, Sports medicine is better and players are better longer. Its the same in all sports. We have realised this and have a generational player who is 21 to build around for many years.
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the kidgoat is indeed a very special player - the only question is - where does Collingwood find the other 22 players that have to play alonside him - which is the topic opf the thread.

On the one hand you have the argument espoused by your (current) coach and that is just buy in who you need when you need them - a view that has merit and rationale until it doesn't...and on the other hand you have the counter argument which is develop your own by getting in high quality youth - which has its own risks and timelines..

Most teams try and navigate a balance betwen the two - I would argue that Geelong have been successful by being able to bring in their own developed players good enough to support their (now) aged superstars..however the effective competition for that style of list management has increased ...

I agree that better sports medicine and a generally speaking. softer contact game haave added to the potential for players to keep playing at a reasonable standard - no doubt about that - which is why I find it funny to read that apparently only COllingwood players have access to a fountain of youth.
 
JustaBattler said:
the kidgoat is indeed a very special playa - the ponly question is - where does Collingwood find the other 22. players that have to play alonside him - which is the topoc opf the thread.

on the one hand you have the argument espoused by your (current) coach and that is just buy in who you need when you need them - a view that has merit and rationale until it doesn't...and on teh other hand you have the counbetr argument which is develop your own by getting in hihg quality youth - which has its own risks and timelines..

Most teams try and navigate a balance betwen the two - I would argue that Geelong have been successful by being able to bring in their own developed players good enough to support their (now) aged superstars..however the effective competition for that style of list management has increased ...

I agree that better sports medicine and a generally speaking. sfter game haave added to the potential for players to keep playing at a reasonable standard - no doubt about that.
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Pies have no youth outside of Daicos. VFL team gets blown off the park every week* and they've gone all in on bringing in more senior players. Regardless of what happens in 2025 the cliff will hit them quickly.
 
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WalshistheGOAT said:
Pies have no youth outside of Daicos. VFL team gets blown off the park every year and they've gone all in on bringing in more senior players. Regardless of what happens in 2025 the cliff will hit them quickly.
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I would diasgaree - their age profile isnt as dire and many argue - but I do think that Pendelbury and Sidebottom are irreplaceable assets and some of their better players in support - eg Crisp and Elliott are now towards the end of their ability to play elite football week in week out.

All things going well they shoudl be finalists in 2025 - but all things going well isnt guaranteed and teh competition isnt aas spread as it was - ven a few years ago.

EDIT: eg I rate J Daicos highy, alongside Maynard, Quaynor, Hill, McCreery, Cameron - these players are no slouches and all suited to the Collingwood gamestyle - Houston add to the potentency of the Collingwood kick to the spread game style.
 
JustaBattler said:
the kidgoat is indeed a very special player - the only question is - where does Collingwood find the other 22 players that have to play alonside him - which is the topic opf the thread.

On the one hand you have the argument espoused by your (current) coach and that is just buy in who you need when you need them - a view that has merit and rationale until it doesn't...and on the other hand you have the counter argument which is develop your own by getting in high quality youth - which has its own risks and timelines..

Most teams try and navigate a balance betwen the two - I would argue that Geelong have been successful by being able to bring in their own developed players good enough to support their (now) aged superstars..however the effective competition for that style of list management has increased ...

I agree that better sports medicine and a generally speaking. softer contact game haave added to the potential for players to keep playing at a reasonable standard - no doubt about that - which is why I find it funny to read that apparently only COllingwood players have access to a fountain of youth.
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I never said the Pies have the fountain of youth. we have gone down the path of recruiting tried players and its worked so far, and its worked for clubs such as the Cats too.
Its hard to win a flag, 18 sides are all trying to do it and doing it in different ways. Given our position and coaching i am happy with the way the Pies are doing it.
You only need to replace the oldest 4 every year to keep regenerating the list. Pendles will be the massive loss given his on field coaching is worth goals when he retires, otherwise it will be business as usual
 
WalshistheGOAT said:
Pies have no youth outside of Daicos. VFL team gets blown off the park every week* and they've gone all in on bringing in more senior players. Regardless of what happens in 2025 the cliff will hit them quickly.
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WE got blown off the park because we have about 26 players to pick from in the 2nd half of the season.

Not saying injuries wont happen again cos who knows, but with a normal injury list we will be fine
 
HeathySure said:
I never said the Pies have the fountain of youth. we have gone down the path of recruiting tried players and its worked so far, and its worked for clubs such as the Cats too.
Its hard to win a flag, 18 sides are all trying to do it and doing it in different ways. Given our position and coaching i am happy with the way the Pies are doing it.
You only need to replace the oldest 4 every year to keep regenerating the list. Pendles will be the massive loss given his on field coaching is worth goals when he retires, otherwise it will be business as usual
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Yes that is the challenge

and yes it is hard to win a flag, as the competition is much more even than it was - even 5 years ago.
 
HeathySure said:
WE got blown off the park because we have about 26 players to pick from in the 2nd half of the season.

Not saying injuries wont happen again cos who knows, but with a normal injury list we will be fine
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Can you actually name any good players currently playing in ur VFL team regularly?

There's nothing coming through for the Pies in the youth department, hence why they've gone all in with their extremely old list hoping they'll be able to pinch one more before falling off.
 

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WalshistheGOAT said:
Can you actually name any good players currently playing in ur VFL team regularly?

There's nothing coming through for the Pies in the youth department, hence why they've gone all in with their extremely old list hoping they'll be able to pinch one more before falling off.
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We can top up every year, everyone wants to play for us, that's why we are regularly in contention

Stuff the VFL

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Robertio said:
Tells you where you're now though with an aging list.
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Would Collingwood have been better of finishing 12th in 2023 for our list to be 'trending in the right direction'.

How do you explain Collingwood's recovery from:
2nd in 2018
4th in 2019
8th in 2020
17th in 2021

That list didn't seem to be trending in the right direction, and there was much more data available...
 
Fadge said:
Would Collingwood have been better of finishing 12th in 2023 for our list to be 'trending in the right direction'.

How do you explain Collingwood's recovery from:
2nd in 2018
4th in 2019
8th in 2020
17th in 2021

That list didn't seem to be trending in the right direction, and there was much more data available...
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4 x top 4 finishes in 7 years sounds pretty regular, only a fool would argue otherwise, we're a modern powerhouse

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Corn Cobbers said:
4 x top 4 finishes in 7 years sounds pretty regular, only a fool would argue otherwise, we're a modern powerhouse

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9 times in contention since 2002, with another two top 4 finishes in 2009 and 2012 where I didn't consider Collingwood genuine contenders.

But apparently that's not a track record of being 'regular premiership contenders', because we finished 9th in 2024...
 
WalshistheGOAT said:
Can you actually name any good players currently playing in ur VFL team regularly?

There's nothing coming through for the Pies in the youth department, hence why they've gone all in with their extremely old list hoping they'll be able to pinch one more before falling off.
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we have a few who look promising. thats all you need, they could end up shit but if they fit into the side perfectly as role players thats all you need. We have turned a few low draft picks and rookie list players into very good role players and won a flag
 

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