Autopsy Collingwood: Where to from here?

[Fadge]

Richmond weren't "so far ahead of ayone else that year," the Prelim v Cats showed that - though the Tigers held a comfortable margin. But had Collingwood by some chance won their home PF against a badly weakened interstate team there would have been a father of a hiding waiting for them 1 week later. The GF showed that. Collingwood beating a Richmond during a typical slow early season period in rd 2 does absolutely nothing to change that. Richmond won its final 12 matches in 2019 with some obscene % & conceded just 20 goals in 3 finals(Richmond kicked 47.) Collinwood - who scored 3 goas to 3/4 time in the PF were never getting near that. You are dreaming.

Unfortunately, we'll never know.

Collingwood would have been considered more likely to beat Richmond in the 2019 Grand Final, than we were in the 2018 Preliminary Final, and we all know what happened there.

There wasn't a massive margin between Richmond and Geelong in the Preliminary Final, and Collingwood had already beaten Geelong in the finals series.

Richmond, GWS. Collingwood Geelong and Brisbane were all contenders that year

 

[EBERT THE KING]

Really?

Take a risk on a pick 80 in the draft who will likely never step foot on an AFL field, or get what we've been getting from Cox over the last couple of years as a best 22 player, primarily a back up ruck, but also someone who can take the occasional clunk around the ground.

In a year where we are expecting to contend for the premiership.

Or bring in another DFA or Free agent.

List looks dire age wise.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Unfortunately, we'll never know.

Collingwood would have been considered more likely to beat Richmond in the 2019 Grand Final, than we were in the 2018 Preliminary Final, and we all know what happened there.

There wasn't a massive margin between Richmond and Geelong in the Preliminary Final, and Collingwood had already beaten Geelong in the finals series.

Richmond, GWS. Collingwood Geelong and Brisbane were all contenders that year

When Richmond has a 47 goal v 20 goal finals series, & Collingwood has a 16 goal v 15 goal finals series, playing against basically the same opposition.....I think we can see what Collingwood's chances of beating Richmond were. You are seriously deluded.

Collingwood v Cats+GWS in 2019 finals....16.17 v 15.17

Richmond v Cats+GWS in 2019 finals....29.25 v 12.19

If you need any further confirmation, look at the respective 2nd half of the seasons. 12-0 v 7-5. Including Richmond trouncing Collingwood in a must win game for both sides.

 

[Fadge]

Or bring in another DFA or Free agent.

List looks dire age wise.

Great idea.

Bring in a DFA, who whilst may not be able to offer what Cox does and may not get a game, make sure they're younger so as to lower the average age of the playing list.

That is brilliant!

 

[EBERT THE KING]

Great idea.

Bring in a DFA, who whilst may not be able to offer what Cox does and may not get a game, make sure they're younger so as to lower the average age of the playing list.

That is brilliant!

Mate relax.

Cox is complete rubbish. Would be in the bottom 2-3% of players in the league in terms of ability. Thats a stone cold fact. He is terrible.

Collingwoods list is completely skewed so that 2025 is the only realistic option of seeing any success.

In my opinion, (opinions are what this site is based on) they dont have enough to purposefully impact the top 4 next season.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

2022 Collingwood 10th best team by %.

2023 Collingwood win luckiest & least meritorious gimp flag ever with a team that looks realistically mid table level in finals.

2024 Collinwood finish 9th with 10th best %.

I think we can all see they have been in reality a middle of the road team who were gifted a flag by some of the most curious umpiring we have witnessed.

They are old. All their draft picks are sold. Pretty easy to see where they are heading.

 

[Fadge]

They are old. All their draft picks are sold. Pretty easy to see where they are heading.

At least we know that no matter how bad we get there's already a team with a mortgage on the next 3 or 4 wooden spoons.

Thanks Richmond!

 

[Fadge]

2023 Collingwood win luckiest & least meritorious gimp flag ever with a team that looks realistically mid table level in finals.

What was Collingwood's percentage in 2023, just out of interest?

And why didn't you mention it when you mentioned it for 2022 and 2024?

 

[Meteoric Rise]

What was Collingwood's percentage in 2023, just out of interest?

And why didn't you mention it when you mentioned it for 2022 and 2024?

It was an outlier, obviously.

You focus on the outlier, the rest of us wth stick with the real picture thanks.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

At least we know that no matter how bad we get there's already a team with a mortgage on the next 3 or 4 wooden spoons number 1 draft picks.

Thanks Richmond!

EFA.

 

[Pistol Night]

It was an outlier, obviously.

You focus on the outlier, the rest of us wth stick with the real picture thanks.

 

[Fadge]

It was an outlier, obviously.

You focus on the outlier, the rest of us wth stick with the real picture thanks.

So, just like Richmond's 2017 to 2020?

 

[Catsnlakers]

We will be contending next year with a bit of luck with injuries. Im pretty sure i saw a similar thread to this after the 2022 season as well.

Collingwood will be around the mark for years to come, I see so many similarities with my club in the Pies, the average punter gets obsessed with the 30+ year olds, and their imminent retirements, but disregard the salary cap space & lure of opportunities that presents to players from other lesser clubs to play for a team like Collingwood when the retirements happen. I have no doubt the Pies will have an ability to keep attracting stars, just like my club has, gone of the days of the draft being the panacea. Need proof of that, check out how many wooden spoons (and subsequent plethora of first round draft picks) the Demons, Blues, Giants & Suns have had access too within the last 25 years, net result of 1 premiership.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

So, just like Richmond's 2017 to 2020?

Yes, Richmond's 2017-20 when they won 3 flags in 4 seasons was an outlier. Clubs win a Grand Final every 18 years on average. So 3 flags in 4 seasons is a massive upside outlier. That is why it is known as a dynasty Fadge. Collingwood had their last one 100 years ago.

 

[Arr0w]

The Arrow troll still clogging up threads with his 1970s crap?

Oh my.

No, unlike a handful of Pie "analysts", enjoying rebuttals tailored to the team a poster supports

Try and stay on the subject topic BT

 

[Worm4]

Need proof of that, check out how many wooden spoons (and subsequent plethora of first round draft picks) the Demons, Blues, Giants & Suns have had access too within the last 25 years, net result of 1 premiership.

I would have thought that EVERY club would have the equal amount of 1st round draft picks within the last 25 years ( that is until clubs decide to trade away that selection ), apart from the Giants and Suns who had the plethora of 1st round selections for inception purposes

 

[Fadge]

Mate relax.

Cox is complete rubbish. Would be in the bottom 2-3% of players in the league in terms of ability. Thats a stone cold fact. He is terrible.

I think it's you who needs to relax...

 

[Corn Cobbers]

I think it's you who needs to relax...

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[Pleasedontfail11]

Richmond weren't "so far ahead of ayone else that year," the Prelim v Cats showed that - though the Tigers held a comfortable margin. But had Collingwood by some chance won their home PF against a badly weakened interstate team there would have been a father of a hiding waiting for them 1 week later. The GF showed that. Collingwood beating a Richmond during a typical slow early season period in rd 2 does absolutely nothing to change that. Richmond won its final 12 matches in 2019 with some obscene % & conceded just 20 goals in 3 finals(Richmond kicked 47.) Collinwood - who scored 3 goas to 3/4 time in the PF were never getting near that. You are dreaming. Collingwood lost 5 of their last 11 matches, 3 of those by conclusive margins above 5 goals, including 5 goal + losses to both Grand Finalists.

In contention, lol.

That same logic means that you should have smashed Collingwood in the 2018 preliminary final. Richmond beat Collingwood by an average of about 35 points in 2 games during the season. Comfortably beat Hawthorn in the Qualifying final. Finished clear 1st on the ladder.
You can't make a prediction like you did with any certainty. Just be happy you won it facing the teams you faced in the 2019 finals. I wouldn't make any predictions about 2010 or 2023 if we magically played other teams.

 

[Fadge]

That same logic means that you should have smashed Collingwood in the 2018 preliminary final. Richmond beat Collingwood by an average of about 35 points in 2 games during the season. Comfortably beat Hawthorn in the Qualifying final. Finished clear 1st on the ladder.
You can't make a prediction like you did with any certainty. Just be happy you won it facing the teams you faced in the 2019 finals. I wouldn't make any predictions about 2010 or 2023 if we magically played other teams.

Richmond finished 3rd after the 2019 home and away season, but they stood alone when it comes to premiership contention that year - that's the way Meteoric Ruse's pickled mind works...

Reckon there's only been 1, maybe 2 seasons in the AFL era where a team won the flag without having another genuine contender - definitely Essendon in 2000, and arguably Carlton in 1995.

 

[Fadge]

That same logic means that you should have smashed Collingwood in the 2018 preliminary final. Richmond beat Collingwood by an average of about 35 points in 2 games during the season. Comfortably beat Hawthorn in the Qualifying final. Finished clear 1st on the ladder.
You can't make a prediction like you did with any certainty. Just be happy you won it facing the teams you faced in the 2019 finals. I wouldn't make any predictions about 2010 or 2023 if we magically played other teams.

Hawthorn beat Collingwood by about 90 points a couple of weeks before the 1990 finals series begin. I'd resigned myself to the conclusion there was no way we were beating Hawthorn if we were to run into them in the finals series.

Fortunately, Melbourne took care of them in the Elimination Final, and the rest is history.

 

[Fadge]

EFA.

Sounding more and more like a Carlton supporter every day...

 

[Meteoric Rise]

Sounding more and more like a Carlton supporter every day...

So long as I sound less and less like a Collingwood supporter, I am happy, especially given some of the desperate garbage you lot are coming out with this thread.

2019 finals...

Richmond v GWS+Geelong 27 goals v 12 goals.

Collingwood v GWS+ Geelong 16 goals v 15 goals.


Last 12 games 2019 Richmond 12W 0L huge percentage 165% 7-0 v top 8 teams

Last 11 games 2019 Collingwood 6W 5L marginal percentage about 105% 3-3 v top 8 teams

Within that Richmond met Collingwood in a must win home & away game, 98 v 66(percentage 148%)

Collingwood beaten on their own home ground by GWS in the PF, Collingwood 3 goals to 3/4 time.

Richmond beats same team 1 week later 114-25.


But Collingwood supporters can't tell what would have happened if Collingwood had met Richmond in the 2019 GF. "Anything could have happened, we just don't know."

 

[Fadge]

So long as I sound less and less like a Collingwood supporter, I am happy.

That too.

I've never heard a Collingwood supporter getting excited about guaranteed multiple number 1 draft picks in upcoming seasons.

 

[Meteoric Rise]

That too.

I've never heard a Collingwood supporter getting excited about guaranteed multiple number 1 draft picks in upcoming seasons.

That's because every time you finish in a position to be in line for a decent draft pick you traded it away, for Lachie Schultz, or Caleb Poulter & Liam McMahon.

Last 2 Richmond top 5 picks at the draft: T Cotchin, D Martin