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I honestly thought you were answering my other question to you then:
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I honestly thought you were answering my other question to you then:
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Whip it goodThose who are imaginative enough to picture them together.
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Yeah this is just misdirection. The part missing from this is that they don't confirm that they have, or will investigate it. They do thank you for the time to contact them, so they can officially tick the box that requires them to not throw complaints in the bin silently and that's about it.
The only thing that matters is the brand, and you need CONSIDERABLE evidence of that.
The hard truth is that the ABC is not interested in right or wrong, just how much its viewed as right or wrong.
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Our spine rates a 7/10.
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The last paragraph is annoying.
Grading all 18 AFL clubs' spines going into 2023
Which AFL teams have the best spines on paper?
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I know right.Our spine rates a 7/10.
The last paragraph is annoying.
Grading all 18 AFL clubs' spines going into 2023
Which AFL teams have the best spines on paper?
Doesn't even mention Comben either. That may be fair enough but if you're gonna go that stupid route at least acknowledge we do already have someone there.
Just some thoughts. Has anyone else had the experience where you watch, listen or read sports broadcasting and reporting for international sports and you just think wow, these journailists/broadcasters are at the the top of their game with such a high level of knowledge, understanding and intelligence. You then turn to the AFL and think wtf why is the AFL media at such a low standard and getting worse every season it seems. Just my view but it seems these sports went early on females as well as not going the easy option with the high profile ex star player. Some of the best were just average at their given sport but are brilliant at media. If the AFL was an international sport how many of these old school boy club commentators/journalists would still be around or made to look sub par as so many Australian commentators seem to be when put along side internationals. You see it with F1, cricket, Basketball, soccer etc. My advice for the next AFL CEO would be to establish an ALF academy of commentators/journalists to raise the standard. While the curent ones delight in rubbising ALF clubs for not being up to standard maybe it is time to turn the mirror on themselves. This will highlight why long time AFL followers like me are finding that they are in fact the the biggest issue with the game right now. A bitter pill to swallow I get it.
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I agree with some of what you're saying (re getting former stars into the media ahead of the best media people) - but not sure about the females part?
Are you suggesting the AFL went early on running a women's competition, female officiators or with including female commentators? Either way I don't see these any of these as explanations to why the AFL media landscape as a whole is rancid.
Think the AFL media issues boil down to 2 points:
i) A culture of constantly destabilising players (on personal lines) and clubs (usually smaller of less politically powerful ones)
ii) A shift somewhere around the time Channel 9 first got the shared broadcast rights that carried on to future Channel 7 broadcasts - where the commentators made themselves the show instead of the game
Listen to a match from 1990s and the commentary is almost entirely focused on the game. Listen to a current day commentary and there's an endless attempt to overstate good plays and overpump the excitement, drum up inane in-jokes or push the club agendas of each commentator.
Denis Commetti and Bruce McAvaney are great examples of people who shone under the old system and become caricatures under the new one. Thankfully Bruce did the Commonwealth Games and reminded some of us that the original persona was still there.
You are spot on with your comments particularly with where the commentators made themselves the show instead of the game. I think you took my comments on females the wrong way. I mentioned the other sports, not AFL, correctly went early on female commentators and the AFL is catching up. They went late on everything to do with with women in AFL. Given the massive percentage of female AFL supporters, greater than most sports, the AFL missed an opportunity to engage early a substantial fan base, it's a failure. Our current president will likely prove to be one of our greatest. I think Daisy is a great but imagine if our females had the years of of mentoring and gradual progression that should have started years ago we would now have a diverse top level commentary instead of the the back slapping how big was my old fella back in the day commentary we have now.
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Gotchya now. Agree.
And Bruce and Denis are a perfect example. Passion for the game and its people, no egos. Maybe why they were such fan favorites. Miss them every game. I wish someone would start a North Pump Up the Volume rogue North commentary team. Watching my Celtics with our commentators brings such joy. I dream.
I watch plenty of basketball, both NBA and NBL. The NBA commentary teams seem to be galaxies in front of the AFL in terms of in-game commentary.
The talk shows with people like Stephen A show some of the poor quality that AFL talk shows do.
As for the NBL, it's probably the better comparison as it's also in the Australian market and it seems to be vastly superior to the AFL in-game coverage.
AFL media gotta be up there with the worst sports media in the world. Heaps of clowns with nothin but a snide agenda. Boring.
When Gerard Whatley is considered on on the best in the business, then you know your sport is at the bottom of the pile for elite sports reporting.
Yeah AFL media sucks big time.
It stems from the fact there are so many media personalities and 'journalists' that could apply more effort to their opinions or 'analysis' but don't because it won't make an ounce of difference in terms of how many impressions or clicks it receives. There's also the issue (this is obvious on every front) that those same media people don't have anywhere near the mental capacity or understanding of the game to even come close to an accurate summary of a certain player's impact on a game or how they progress throughout their career. The stats and replays are there but they simply don't even touch them because it doesn't generate clicks. So what do we get? Lacklustre reporting with a heavy reliance on controversy and turmoil mixed with attacking players on high salaries but having a bad season due to psychological/physical issues. The AFL media will be ruthless if it means it generates the noise to print money.
The media has no integrity and has very little depth in its reporting or 'analysis' and that brings down even the media people that would like to make an effort but simply can't because there's only one way to make it and that's be a dickhead. It's a shame it has come to this and it is disgraceful how much the media can get away with in terms of causing added stresses and mental anguish to people's lives. They are vultures and insufferable human beings if that.
Until the standard for AFL media analytical pieces improve or there's at least some form of integrity in place, get used to this passive-aggressive and disgusting nature of AFL journalism. This is how it will be until people stop reading that shit.
It stems from the fact there are so many media personalities and 'journalists' that could apply more effort to their opinions or 'analysis' but don't because it won't make an ounce of difference in terms of how many impressions or clicks it receives. There's also the issue (this is obvious on every front) that those same media people don't have anywhere near the mental capacity or understanding of the game to even come close to an accurate summary of a certain player's impact on a game or how they progress throughout their career. The stats and replays are there but they simply don't even touch them because it doesn't generate clicks. So what do we get? Lacklustre reporting with a heavy reliance on controversy and turmoil mixed with attacking players on high salaries but having a bad season due to psychological/physical issues. The AFL media will be ruthless if it means it generates the noise to print money.
The media has no integrity and has very little depth in its reporting or 'analysis' and that brings down even the media people that would like to make an effort but simply can't because there's only one way to make it and that's be a dickhead. It's a shame it has come to this and it is disgraceful how much the media can get away with in terms of causing added stresses and mental anguish to people's lives. They are vultures and insufferable human beings if that.
Until the standard for AFL media analytical pieces improve or there's at least some form of integrity in place, get used to this passive-aggressive and disgusting nature of AFL journalism. This is how it will be until people stop reading that shit.
Gerard Whateley is a pseudointellectual or as its usually called, 'bullshit artist'. He may make the good commentary call here and there, but he is simply like the rest of them. Side on which side is most popular and generate clicks from people with less than half a brain that thinks he's a professional journalist with integrity.
Basically anyone that listens to SEN and thinks they are a great radio.
Basically anyone that listens to SEN and thinks they are a great radio.
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Please don't anyone say we need our own version of Steven A Smith. He talks absolute shit at least half the time, yells annoyingly to get his point across, and gets away with being a complete campaigner a lot too. I'd almost rather watch Robbo go off on one of his rants.
If Rick18 was more prominent in the AFL media landscape I would be glued to the weekly articles or reports.
It's his level of detail, analysis and knowledge of the game that allows him to develop or identify a theme of a particular passage of play/game style. Something the AFL media is so crucially missing.
It's his level of detail, analysis and knowledge of the game that allows him to develop or identify a theme of a particular passage of play/game style. Something the AFL media is so crucially missing.
I think in general there's two reasons the things I do aren't more prominent:
1. A lot of people cover the game but don't understand it past a surface level of 'goals = good', 'losses = bad' - and/or they're not willing to try and understand it past that surface level.
2. It's not what a lot of places want. They believe it's not worth the return on time investment and would rather look for simpler ways to get people involved.
The latter makes sense for the most part because you appeal to a larger audience by keeping things simple. But they're ignoring a whole section of people by not investing in actual analysis (not 'here's a list of stats with no context'). It's a part of the market which is wide open to take for whichever outlet figures out the best way to do it.
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It can be done but takes a lot of time an effort. When it does happen it will be a new independent rather than established outlet.
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He got put in his place when he tried that shit at the UFC.
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