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Living vicariously....you mean like when you jerk off to pr0n?
Living vicariously....you mean like when you jerk off to pr0n?
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You're wet behind the ears with idealism and BS. The world has always lived vicariously thru athletes....footballers, boxers, gladiators, pr0n, movie/music stars (kids imitating them) etc etc.
If you want idealism...the universe is good and evil in harmony, working together. You cannot eradicate "badness" and have nothing but some lollipop-smile world. Mayhem is the world, mayhem of both extremes. Just because some corporates insist on something doesn't make it "right". As if im gonna follow what corporates tell me is acceptable or not. I have my own standards and principles, and that's embracing both good/bad emphatically.
It's hypocritical bemoaning people who enjoy violence on TV when you also have things like UFC or the 'fake' WWE etc. People love violence, just like when you see two people go at it in some public place, or watching car wreckages etc. You can put on a pretense, but deep down you love it as much as everyone else does.
Not everything is vicarious either. Some people are fairies, scared to engage darkness, but want to taste it vicariously. Others enjoy watching it but also live it. The whole "vicarious" angle is redundant considering both types (fairies and non-fairies) spectate.
You're wet behind the ears with idealism and BS. The world has always lived vicariously thru athletes....footballers, boxers, gladiators, pr0n, movie/music stars (kids imitating them) etc etc.
If you want idealism...the universe is good and evil in harmony, working together. You cannot eradicate "badness" and have nothing but some lollipop-smile world. Mayhem is the world, mayhem of both extremes. Just because some corporates insist on something doesn't make it "right". As if im gonna follow what corporates tell me is acceptable or not. I have my own standards and principles, and that's embracing both good/bad emphatically.
It's hypocritical bemoaning people who enjoy violence on TV when you also have things like UFC or the 'fake' WWE etc. People love violence, just like when you see two people go at it in some public place, or watching car wreckages etc. You can put on a pretense, but deep down you love it as much as everyone else does.
Not everything is vicarious either. Some people are fairies, scared to engage darkness, but want to taste it vicariously. Others enjoy watching it but also live it. The whole "vicarious" angle is redundant considering both types (fairies and non-fairies) spectate.
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You're banking on assumptions. Go for it. I don't care either way, I know my own realities, and I don't go around needing validation from others, online or offline.
You're banking on assumptions. Go for it. I don't care either way, I know my own realities, and I don't go around needing validation from others, online or offline.
Southerntakeover
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And yet you need validation through being a fan of 'tough' sports.
BTW, on your earlier points, i watch wrestling and occasionally the UFC, and yet still have no problems with the programs taken in the respective organisations to minimize serious injury, just as ive got no problem with boxing referees having the power to end fights now, rather than risk the situation in which fighters die in the ring.
And yet you need validation through being a fan of 'tough' sports.
BTW, on your earlier points, i watch wrestling and occasionally the UFC, and yet still have no problems with the programs taken in the respective organisations to minimize serious injury, just as ive got no problem with boxing referees having the power to end fights now, rather than risk the situation in which fighters die in the ring.
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You do realize you're watching "sports" that are based exclusively on violence? "Sport" would be a very loose name for all those things. Very hypocritical of you if you took the few seconds it should take to consider your previous posts and the gist of mine.
You do realize you're watching "sports" that are based exclusively on violence? "Sport" would be a very loose name for all those things. Very hypocritical of you if you took the few seconds it should take to consider your previous posts and the gist of mine.
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Formula One....it's violent, sure you want people to be protected and no deaths occur, but by nature violence is part of that sport, the violence of car crashes. That's the nature of the beast, the risks are all part of the nature of the thing. Your previous post stances would be like saying, "yes, let's please have no more high-powered racing cars or human drivers, let's just have throttled little lawn-mowers driven by robots, or let's just have scaletrix toys". And even then you'd be a hypocrite when you enjoy thrashing the hell out of those toy cars sending them off the track and flying into some vase in the room, laughing and racing purely to create mayhemic crashes.
Formula One....it's violent, sure you want people to be protected and no deaths occur, but by nature violence is part of that sport, the violence of car crashes. That's the nature of the beast, the risks are all part of the nature of the thing. Your previous post stances would be like saying, "yes, let's please have no more high-powered racing cars or human drivers, let's just have throttled little lawn-mowers driven by robots, or let's just have scaletrix toys". And even then you'd be a hypocrite when you enjoy thrashing the hell out of those toy cars sending them off the track and flying into some vase in the room, laughing and racing purely to create mayhemic crashes.
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Extreme Sports....it's violent, sure you want people to be protected and no deaths to occur, but by nature violence is part of that 'sport' or thrill. There are a billion types of Xtreme activities people do, and they keep pushing the envelope. You cannot throttle the human animal, he wants and enjoys to live the danger and watch the danger.
Extreme Sports....it's violent, sure you want people to be protected and no deaths to occur, but by nature violence is part of that 'sport' or thrill. There are a billion types of Xtreme activities people do, and they keep pushing the envelope. You cannot throttle the human animal, he wants and enjoys to live the danger and watch the danger.
Southerntakeover
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Re: New Uniforms/Logos for 2010
Sorry to break it to you GG, but control over primordal urges is part of being a big boy.
Sorry to break it to you GG, but control over primordal urges is part of being a big boy.
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American Football has always been the most violent of football codes. The rules and system of play has always been about that. It's about grown man-mountains physically battering each other thru strategic set-plays. It's not chess, it's physical contest. Sure, protect players, but if you go too far, you end up eliminating the essence of the sport itself. To the point where all that strength and violent aerobic force is irrelevant then if you wanna make it a no-touchy game like soccer.
American Football has always been the most violent of football codes. The rules and system of play has always been about that. It's about grown man-mountains physically battering each other thru strategic set-plays. It's not chess, it's physical contest. Sure, protect players, but if you go too far, you end up eliminating the essence of the sport itself. To the point where all that strength and violent aerobic force is irrelevant then if you wanna make it a no-touchy game like soccer.
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That's where you're wet behind the ears still. You think it's about controlling primeval urges? You're wrong. Where'd you get that idea from? Sunday Mass? Politics? Your grade school teacher? Your mommy? Apparently your brain is filled with institutionalized thoughts and beliefs.
That's where you're wet behind the ears still. You think it's about controlling primeval urges? You're wrong. Where'd you get that idea from? Sunday Mass? Politics? Your grade school teacher? Your mommy? Apparently your brain is filled with institutionalized thoughts and beliefs.
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Click "here" in my signature, and go to "Weltanschauung" tab and listen to that. That's what man and life has always and is always and will always be about.
Click "here" in my signature, and go to "Weltanschauung" tab and listen to that. That's what man and life has always and is always and will always be about.
Southerntakeover
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No, i got it from your lecturing on mans nature. If you cant understand the points that you attempt to make, its going to be hard for this debate to proceed.
BTW, if you're going to start a discussion on 'real world' its probably not best to start espousing a form of cognitive philosophy. I know you think it makes you sound intelligent and all, but its actually a pretty weak tactic.
No, i got it from your lecturing on mans nature. If you cant understand the points that you attempt to make, its going to be hard for this debate to proceed.
BTW, if you're going to start a discussion on 'real world' its probably not best to start espousing a form of cognitive philosophy. I know you think it makes you sound intelligent and all, but its actually a pretty weak tactic.
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You bandy phrases about like "cognitive philosophy" cos you learned it recently in some book or uni discussion, and think it makes you look intelligent dropping learned phrases about in debates etc....little realizing that everything is cognitive philosophizing, including you in this thread from the onset when you criticized people for "vicarious" living and enjoyment of darkness that is inbuilt in all animal's nature, more---in Life itself.
What you don't realize is that people get their hands and knees dirty living real life and we can criticize you for your "vicarious" understanding of "life" that you do thru classroom study and reading material.
Illustration...
STKO: "The world and man "SHOULD" be 'this'."
GG: "The world and man IS 'that'."
You bandy phrases about like "cognitive philosophy" cos you learned it recently in some book or uni discussion, and think it makes you look intelligent dropping learned phrases about in debates etc....little realizing that everything is cognitive philosophizing, including you in this thread from the onset when you criticized people for "vicarious" living and enjoyment of darkness that is inbuilt in all animal's nature, more---in Life itself.
What you don't realize is that people get their hands and knees dirty living real life and we can criticize you for your "vicarious" understanding of "life" that you do thru classroom study and reading material.
Illustration...
STKO: "The world and man "SHOULD" be 'this'."
GG: "The world and man IS 'that'."
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Anyway, I'm off to enjoy some vicarious football via madden, so if I don't reply that's why.
Come online and give me a game later...
Anyway, I'm off to enjoy some vicarious football via madden, so if I don't reply that's why.
Come online and give me a game later...
Southerntakeover
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Re: New Uniforms/Logos for 2010
So you're taking the 'i know you are you said you are' defense again. Always a tough cookie.
Firstly, simply saying im name dropping to sound intellgent doesnt work when the phrase in particular is an accurate description of a term that you attempted to use, in the misplaced belief that it would be a foreign concept to me. I called your bluff. In return youve turned over a high card 10.
Its obvious that you can name the concept, its less obvious that you actually understand it. Infact, the more you post, the clearer its becomming that you dont.
As far as your 'hands and knees dirty', and 'real life' experience, unless you're talking about playing approximately 300 online hours of madden in the last 6 months, theres really very little you can offer.
So you're taking the 'i know you are you said you are' defense again. Always a tough cookie.
Firstly, simply saying im name dropping to sound intellgent doesnt work when the phrase in particular is an accurate description of a term that you attempted to use, in the misplaced belief that it would be a foreign concept to me. I called your bluff. In return youve turned over a high card 10.
Its obvious that you can name the concept, its less obvious that you actually understand it. Infact, the more you post, the clearer its becomming that you dont.
As far as your 'hands and knees dirty', and 'real life' experience, unless you're talking about playing approximately 300 online hours of madden in the last 6 months, theres really very little you can offer.
Southerntakeover
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You're missing the point...
You're saying the game "should" be softened.
I'm saying the game IS by essence violent. Otherwise the game would be called soccer and not about strength and man-mountains.
Apply the same in reverse...
Soccer "should NOT" be hardened because in essence it "IS not" about violent physical intent, otherwise call it gridiron and wear helmets and pads for protection.
You're missing the point...
You're saying the game "should" be softened.
I'm saying the game IS by essence violent. Otherwise the game would be called soccer and not about strength and man-mountains.
Apply the same in reverse...
Soccer "should NOT" be hardened because in essence it "IS not" about violent physical intent, otherwise call it gridiron and wear helmets and pads for protection.
Southerntakeover
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Actually, you're saying the game SHOULD NOT be 'softened'. That was your entire complaint.
Actually, you're saying the game SHOULD NOT be 'softened'. That was your entire complaint.
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Same difference, see the reverse application.
Gridiron should not be softened because in essence it is not about pure strategy otherwise it'd be called Chess and played with wooden pieces.
You ask the players, and they'll say the same.....protection, sure, within reason, but keep the game hard and violent.
These are gladiators by nature, otherwise they'd be accountants seeking the comfort of a gentle work environment.
Same difference, see the reverse application.
Gridiron should not be softened because in essence it is not about pure strategy otherwise it'd be called Chess and played with wooden pieces.
You ask the players, and they'll say the same.....protection, sure, within reason, but keep the game hard and violent.
These are gladiators by nature, otherwise they'd be accountants seeking the comfort of a gentle work environment.
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You can't see a difference between a hard tackle/hit and a blindside blow to the head to an unprotected receiver?
It's quite possible to be a tough sport while still placing restrictions on what can be done.
You can't see a difference between a hard tackle/hit and a blindside blow to the head to an unprotected receiver?
It's quite possible to be a tough sport while still placing restrictions on what can be done.
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So call it Aussie Rules then and have everyone in short-shorts, all lean physiques running around a huge oval barely seeing physical contact kicking a ball around, diving for penalties and umpires with super-sensitive whistles.
There's a point "too far" when you strip the essence of the sport away. Eg, the Brady Rule, where 300 lbs DE's have to somehow curtail the ferocity of "rushing the passer" at the moment of impact. Or PI has become too touchy that it's become like 20/20 batting on placid wickets, a passing game league. Next thing they'll outlaw the ability to hit a player in the act of catching and it'll become like AFL---just set up at the LOS, have 3 DL and 3 OL and everyone just runs downfield to play throwsies and catchies without fear of physical brutality.
Next time someone posts a video of american football's greatest hits, don't watch it and enjoy it, don't admire it for its hardcore nature, where receivers get smashed with eyes for the ball. That's why they have helmets and pads---protection. Like I said before, they should look for superior helmet technology but keep the game's essence untouched, rather than softening and ruining the rules of the game WHILST still wearing pads and helmets. Either get rid of the helmets/pads and play handsies, or improve the technology and retain the essence of the game.
So call it Aussie Rules then and have everyone in short-shorts, all lean physiques running around a huge oval barely seeing physical contact kicking a ball around, diving for penalties and umpires with super-sensitive whistles.
There's a point "too far" when you strip the essence of the sport away. Eg, the Brady Rule, where 300 lbs DE's have to somehow curtail the ferocity of "rushing the passer" at the moment of impact. Or PI has become too touchy that it's become like 20/20 batting on placid wickets, a passing game league. Next thing they'll outlaw the ability to hit a player in the act of catching and it'll become like AFL---just set up at the LOS, have 3 DL and 3 OL and everyone just runs downfield to play throwsies and catchies without fear of physical brutality.
Next time someone posts a video of american football's greatest hits, don't watch it and enjoy it, don't admire it for its hardcore nature, where receivers get smashed with eyes for the ball. That's why they have helmets and pads---protection. Like I said before, they should look for superior helmet technology but keep the game's essence untouched, rather than softening and ruining the rules of the game WHILST still wearing pads and helmets. Either get rid of the helmets/pads and play handsies, or improve the technology and retain the essence of the game.
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Back on topic (?? oh merged topics?), not sure what Gooddell has done to ruin the game. No way known has the game gone soft/softer in anyway.
Protection of QBs has sometimes gone a bit too far but that was more a matter of interpretation from the game officials. I agree the need to protect QBs more from cheap shots, because I don't want to see the League full of ordinary No 2 QBs starting.
Back on topic (?? oh merged topics?), not sure what Gooddell has done to ruin the game. No way known has the game gone soft/softer in anyway.
Protection of QBs has sometimes gone a bit too far but that was more a matter of interpretation from the game officials. I agree the need to protect QBs more from cheap shots, because I don't want to see the League full of ordinary No 2 QBs starting.
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You have some good points. The last couple of years Nascar tried to soften the sport by fining and penalizing the drivers for being themselves and the fans left. This year they are stepping back and allowing the drivers to police themselves.
We do start our children at a young age. We have a Tiny Mite football division who are normally between the ages of 5 to 7. Do you have youth football leagues and at what age are children allowed to join?
I do think the NFL has gone overboard on the Brady Rule and maybe eventually it will be toned down. I can't imagine football being turned into a soccer match because the stadiums would be empty.
Just watch the parents at a couple of youth football games on this link.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeOGPsotT1g&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Iri7_kalHU
You have some good points. The last couple of years Nascar tried to soften the sport by fining and penalizing the drivers for being themselves and the fans left. This year they are stepping back and allowing the drivers to police themselves.
We do start our children at a young age. We have a Tiny Mite football division who are normally between the ages of 5 to 7. Do you have youth football leagues and at what age are children allowed to join?
I do think the NFL has gone overboard on the Brady Rule and maybe eventually it will be toned down. I can't imagine football being turned into a soccer match because the stadiums would be empty.
Just watch the parents at a couple of youth football games on this link.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeOGPsotT1g&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Iri7_kalHU
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Unless the 300lbs ends have problems tackling a 200lb quaterback that isn't what the Brady rule is at all. It's a necessary rule if they called right (i.e kemo on Palmer or Pollard on Brady, not Suggs/Brady) It's all about not diving at their knees. The Roughing the passer rules are to much, but stop blaming all the league's problems on the Pats and Brady.
I'm not a fan of the no celebrations rules, i don't think that after TDs some small celebrations are really doing that much to harm the product, and his fines have been over the top.
The 'Hines Ward Rule' is good, helmet-to-helmet is completely necessary of on-the-ball blocks and the 'Ryan Clark rule' when called right (again the Ray Lewis call in the Playoffs was a terrrrrrrrrrible call on that rule) is something i'm a fan of. Hated the Ty Law PI rules but that is all on Polian and before Goddell got the job
The worst thing i've heard of him, is after Manning's most recent loss, he wants to get rid of the 3-point stance. That will be to far and will then he will be ruining the game.
Unless the 300lbs ends have problems tackling a 200lb quaterback that isn't what the Brady rule is at all. It's a necessary rule if they called right (i.e kemo on Palmer or Pollard on Brady, not Suggs/Brady) It's all about not diving at their knees. The Roughing the passer rules are to much, but stop blaming all the league's problems on the Pats and Brady.
I'm not a fan of the no celebrations rules, i don't think that after TDs some small celebrations are really doing that much to harm the product, and his fines have been over the top.
The 'Hines Ward Rule' is good, helmet-to-helmet is completely necessary of on-the-ball blocks and the 'Ryan Clark rule' when called right (again the Ray Lewis call in the Playoffs was a terrrrrrrrrrible call on that rule) is something i'm a fan of. Hated the Ty Law PI rules but that is all on Polian and before Goddell got the job
The worst thing i've heard of him, is after Manning's most recent loss, he wants to get rid of the 3-point stance. That will be to far and will then he will be ruining the game.
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Too many named rules there regarding what constitutes legitimacy. I think Nappies is probably right. In the 50's and 60's it was a business, but not to the scope it is now and now the whole thing is ****ed with over-corporatization, protecting 'commodities'. As good as the NFL is, I think they've lost a bit of touch and are in danger of going too far, as Goodell's term has already show.
Getting rid of the three-point stance? What the **** for? Manning's SB loss? What safety issue exists there for ****s sake?
Too many named rules there regarding what constitutes legitimacy. I think Nappies is probably right. In the 50's and 60's it was a business, but not to the scope it is now and now the whole thing is ****ed with over-corporatization, protecting 'commodities'. As good as the NFL is, I think they've lost a bit of touch and are in danger of going too far, as Goodell's term has already show.
Getting rid of the three-point stance? What the **** for? Manning's SB loss? What safety issue exists there for ****s sake?
