Congrats Joel Bowden Back to Back AA

[tomthetiger]

Lucas missing out cuz of reiwoldt, didak getting in etc...this is surely a joke

The selectors obviously like big Cox more.

 

[Eagle1/Syd]

The selectors obviously like big Cox more.

I wish i had a BIG COX 2

 

[jezza]

I wish i had a BIG COX 2

So many things could be said, but I don't think I'm ready to be banned yet.

 

[GhostofJimJess]

Possessions mean nothing these days, for a defender to pick up 20 possessions (as Rutten, Bassett, Stevens, Johncock, Massie and McLeod do every game, with a few exceptions) was unheard of 10 years ago.

But to have players like Johncock, Massie and McLeod in the backline at all was unheard before 10 years ago.

I think it was Sheeds who first used Gavin Wanganeen down back that changed the thinking of using attacking forwards in defensive roles. It worked so well that coaches followed up using previously-perceived forwards like Dean Rice, Matthew Hogg, Glen Archer, Andrew McLeod and Chris Johnson as rebounding defenders.

Add to this the emergence of running half backs (they'd existed before, but became dominant in the early 90's) like Andrew McKay, Ben Hart, Guy McKenna and John Blakey, and all of a sudden we had a switch in emphasis of backmen from a purely negating role to one of directly setting up forward attacks.

Joel Bowden has mastered the role of 'quarterback' when the ball is turned over to his team, commandeering the forward attack with his amazing balance, poise and skill - but still, through necessity due to the lack of quality defenders at Tigerland, also forced to play on the most dangerous tall mobile opposition forward each week.

If he played for the West Coast, his name would be being bandied around in the Brownlow market for the last two seasons.

 

[The Dice Man]

Congrats to Joel

Simmo unlucky.


Does anyone else think that Rainsey might have been close to selection?

 

[Tigerbob]

Congratulations Joel Bowden. Definetely deserved his All Australian spot, dont worry about those uneducated nuff nuff's on the other board.


Troy Simmonds is the most unlucky player not to get in the All Australian team, what more does the guy have to do? Was clearly the best ruckman of the year, and should of at least made the bench in front of Cox.

 

[lucas_hsv]

Was clearly the best ruckman of the year, and should of at least made the bench in front of Cox.

Wasn't better than Lade at all, but should have had the bench spot ahead of Cox.

 

[TigerGlory]

The team was pure and utter crap this year no doubt. Probably the worst one ive ever seen in quite a while.

No way did Didak deserve to be in that side, would have found room for Farmer and Chapman before him no worries.

Clement should have been in the side as should have Rutten. How they found room for Craig Bolton is beyond me.

No Johncock and Simmonds just makes it that much worse. I personally think both should have definatley been in the side.

 

[flipout]

Richmond were murdered on numerous occassions by big margins. Now i haven't watched every of Richmond's games, but how did he go in these games. In the games that the Tiges comfortably won, he was playing attacking football. It would seem that he did the best job that he could in the circumstances, but like I have said earlier this should not have landed him the CHB spot. Someone on the main board said that he should have been swapped with Craig Bolton for the HBF spot, and I say I have to agree with that. It can be said that Scott Stevens played on the best forwards, hardly beaten (completely tearing apart Pav on saturday) and he gets plenty of run from defence as well, yet he wasn't even close to a nomination.

Very interesting, now how about you **** off back to Adelaide board, no one cares for what you have got to say.

 

[oxx]

lmao jb!
still hate the prick.
One of these people that thinks they're more intelligent than the rest,kinda like CAMPBELL WAS.

As long as he's a club leader expect jack

 

[JohnF]

Damnit, Bowden is catching up to Campbell's achievements.

Hey, does anyone have a stat on how many contested possies Bowden wins, and maybe in comparison to other defenders in the AA team or who narrowly missed out?

 

[GhostofJimJess]

Here's some stats from 2006 - Total Disposals, Kicks, Handballs, Marks, Cont Poss and Uncont Poss.

-----------D---K---H---M--C--U
Bowden - 500 327 173 133 23 432
Clement - 391 299 092 146 38 320
Bassett - 358 221 137 156 20 347
Gilbee --- 485 308 177 114 07 452
Whitnall - 423 287 136 177 43 372
Johnson - 360 229 131 132 21 330
Milburn -- 454 241 213 167 39 401
Johncoc - 434 281 153 147 25 411
McLeod -- 433 276 157 089 17 424
Bolton --- 303 206 097 130 18 291
Glass ---- 226 084 140 087 21 206

Just raw stats - the ones in bold are the chosen back 6.

Any other players names bandied around?

Based upon these numbers, Bassett, Gilbee, Mcleod and Bolton were far more fortunate than Bowden - Gilbee only 7 contested possessions for an entire season! Glass should probably be regarded differently because he plays an almost entire negative role.

 

[JohnF]

Here's some stats from 2006 - Total Disposals, Kicks, Handballs, Marks, Cont Poss and Uncont Poss.

-----------D---K---H---M--C--U
Bowden - 500 327 173 133 23 432
Clement - 391 299 092 146 38 320
Bassett - 358 221 137 156 20 347
Gilbee --- 485 308 177 114 07 452
Whitnall - 423 287 136 177 43 372
Johnson - 360 229 131 132 21 330
Milburn -- 454 241 213 167 39 401
Johncoc - 434 281 153 147 25 411
McLeod -- 433 276 157 089 17 424
Bolton --- 303 206 097 130 18 291
Glass ---- 226 084 140 087 21 206

Just raw stats - the ones in bold are the chosen back 6.

Any other players names bandied around?

Based upon these numbers, Bassett, Gilbee, Mcleod and Bolton were far more fortunate than Bowden - Gilbee only 7 contested possessions for an entire season! Glass should probably be regarded differently because he plays an almost entire negative role.

Thanks for that Ghost. Interesting that the 4 highest contested possie winners there didn't make the All Australian Team. (Clement, Whitnall, Milburn, Johncock). Quite strongly suggests that contests are becoming anathema to the game. Sad really.

 

[GhostofJimJess]

Thanks for that Ghost. Interesting that the 4 highest contested possie winners there didn't make the All Australian Team. (Clement, Whitnall, Milburn, Johncock). Quite strongly suggests that contests are becoming anathema to the game. Sad really.

I reckon an interesting stat John, which I do not have at hand, is whether the next possession after these guys have disposed of the ball is a contested possession or not.

In other words, do they more often kick to a teammate in the clear, or do they kick to a contest? I would imagine a player high on the former, and low on the latter, would be a far more valuable player.

 

[JohnF]

I reckon an interesting stat John, which I do not have at hand, is whether the next possession after these guys have disposed of the ball is a contested possession or not.

In other words, do they more often kick to a teammate in the clear, or do they kick to a contest? I would imagine a player high on the former, and low on the latter, would be a far more valuable player.

True Ghost, that would be a telling statistic, but at the same time, a little sideways chipkick might be to a player in the clear, but it doesn't always do much to advance the team's chances.

 

[GhostofJimJess]

True Ghost, that would be a telling statistic, but at the same time, a little sideways chipkick might be to a player in the clear, but it doesn't always do much to advance the team's chances.

Yep, you're right. And Joel wouold've clocked up a few of those throughout the year, too.

Maybe any possession in the chain which ended up with your team getting the next shot at goal (even if it is missed) might be worth double points?